Manatee Mafia - Game Over

[Tseirp]

[Dragon Phoenix]

[Quailman]

Good enough for me. vote: Chuck

Die scum!

[Chuck]

Shouldn't we wait at least one more day to give the radio tag detector, if any, time to check me out?

[Courk]

Vote Count:

Chuck - 8 - (Dragon Phoenix, Tseirp, worm, Amb, pete d, Beartalon, Talzor, Quailman)

And, thusly, Chuck was led to the Cement Mixer of Doom ^TM . After shoeing him and making sure the cement was properly set, the townspeople threw him into the depths of the ocean.

It filled the townspeople with regret to discover that Chuck had indeed lied to them. He was a Monofilament Line who would kill by entangling his victims and could delay his effects by two nights at most. He was mafia.

It is now Night 4. Choices are due Thursday, September 27, at 11:59 pm EDT.

[Chuck]

I'll check back after the game to find out what my radio tag was for.

[Courk]

Your mod stayed out late and then slept in. Hence the delayed dawn.

After yet another restful night, the townspeople awake and hope to find a similar situation to the previous two dawns. However, it was not to be. Right in the middle of the town square lay the body of MatthewV, riddled with deep gouges in the midst of a pool of blood. It was really quite hard to miss him, as he was Hydrodamalis gigas - Steller's Sea Cow. Since he was technically extinct, he took special precautions and was thus able to be saved from one lynching.

Also exiting the game was Amb. Or was it Courk? No, wait, it was Amb playing Courk. You're not sure where he is, you just found a note that said he wouldn't be returning and was "removed due to Section 23.7, Paragraph 4." As me, Amb was a manatee protector -- a doc.

Day 5 has dawned. 12 alive, 7 to lynch!

[Dragon Phoenix]

Vote Beartalon

I don' t buy two protective roles in the game.
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[Poisonium]

Vote: Beartalon
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[Poisonium]

EBWOP:
MattV was also a protective role.
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[Beartalon]

I was a ONE SHOT protective role and it could only be used on myself, which it was, Night 2.

I was very open about this. What's your voting point again?

[Dragon Phoenix]

Post 682/688. it's not rocket science.
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[Quailman]

[MatthewV]

Bah! I wanted to get lynched...

[Amb]

* Dies courk-style *

[Tseirp]

Vote: Beartalon

I don't think there will be so many one-shot roles in this game...

Oh yea, told you Chuck was lying.

[Dented Ford]

vote: Beartalon
My earlier suspicions have been aroused again, and frankly, DP has shown great foresight so far, so I'd be happy just following suit. Amb was telling the truth, he really was Courk as a manatee protector, and he was suspicious too. I'm a wavering noob I know, but seriously, you are the most suspicious candidate.[/b]

[Beartalon]

[worm]

amb also claimed un-NK...all of the scum roles seem to target manatees, so that makes sense. the "removal" is weird...i'm curious what the rule was, but maybe the mod didn't want her character to "die". i'm curious whether lynching would've killed "courk" or removed her. i doubt this leads anywhere, but it caught my eye.

dp's right that beartalon shouldn't have asked tseirp where he got his info. was that sloppy or scummy? i'm not convinced about his guilt. chuck's delayed kills will still be in play tonight and presumably there's still at least one mafia left. if bear's not killed tonight, I'd vote for him tomorrow (if he's not lynched, that is).

i like middle aged guy more for a lynch...for reasons stated (mainly lurking) and the gut feeling i get when i read the few posts he has contributed .vote: Middle Aged Guy

[Beartalon]

[Middle Aged Guy]

Sorry if I haven't been posting enough for you, worm - the only insight I've had so far is my suspicion of Beartalon for his posts revealing insider knowledge. So, Vote Beartalon ... for the same reasons I gave yesterday and the day before.

[Beartalon]

Oooh, 5 of 7. Should I role claim again?

[Quailman]

I think it's wrong to lynch BT, but I don't have anything like Tseirp had against Chuck to back me up. Just to get votes for another candidate, I will go along with worm and vote: Middle Aged Guy.

[Tseirp]

Actually Bear, I had a one-shot ability as well.

[Dragon Phoenix]

I am not questioning you having a claimed one shot ability, Bearty. I am questioning that to be a protective role in addition to a regular doctor (MatthewV was not a protective role, Tseirp is not a protective role). Therefore I think you are scum (in addition to the major scummy post I referred to before, and which you never addressed).
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[Beartalon]

You as a mod and player have never played or modded a game where a person could protect himself as a one shot if the game also included a regular doctor? I don't buy that at all. I've played games where people had one shot investigations even if there was also a cop.

I have now said multiple times that my protection was one-shot and only useable on myself. The first time I mentioned my role I did not reveal that it was a limited power, but I've never claimed it as a full protective role. It seems to be what you're assuming.

As for the post where I asked for information on investigations, call it naivete. I haven't played as much mafia as many people in this forum and I have no idea how many mafia or town or special groups or whatever might be in a game of any size and how quickly they should or should not claim their investigations.

We've also spent all our time just dickering over who to lynch because we don't have any investigative results to go on. All I meant was that it would be nice to have concrete evidence.

My "scummy" post didn't say it but I assumed there was an unknown doc who would protect as much as possible a known investigative player who exposed a mafia. Isn't that behaviour you expect?

In the end, as I've said, if any investigative roles have investigated me, they're the only ones who will prove or not my scumminess. If they know I'm town, no-one is saying and there's no point to say so now. I'm resigned to die to prove my innocence, but you'll have wasted a day without any real advancement on scum killing.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Well, we're very nicely ahead of the game at the moment, so even if you are innocent, lynching you is no big disaster.

Your continued asking for an investigative role to check you and confirm you though gives me the feeling you are actually a godfather role (speedboat = GF?). A (by now) vanilla townie should not be so bent on survival at this stage of the game to the extent of wasting an investigation (cops are not there primarily to clear innocents, but to find the guilty).

Vote stays, and I am quite happy with it by now.
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[worm]

[Beartalon]

"If they know I'm town, no-one is saying and there's no point to say so now. I'm resigned to die to prove my innocence."

Right there - did you miss that? I'm not asking for someone to clear me.

You avoided answering whether you thought my role claim was scummy because you thought I was claiming full doc status, rather than the one-shot that I claimed. At least Quailman thinks it's possible.

I'm not bent on survival, I'm bent on getting us focused on the real scum.

The rest of you should vote. I'd like to die, now.

Am I allowed to vote for myself?

[Dragon Phoenix]

Unvote Beartlaon

Blast, I was convinced that you had claimed to be a protective role, but upon re-reading I see you were vague about it, and later clarified it to be self-protection only.

I still do NOT like your fishing for info versus Tseirp. But your wording around investigative roles (my innocence will only be proven by an investigative role who saves me, because there's nothing else to tell; if any investigative roles have investigated me, they're the only ones who will prove or not my scumminess) hints at investigaitons already done rather than asking for new ones, I'll grant you that.

Time for a complete re-read.
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[Dragon Phoenix]

And in case Courk does not accept typos:
unvote Beartalon as well.
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[worm]

[Dented Ford]

Pah! One of my main reasons for getting suspicious about Beartalon again was Amb's vote prior to the Chuck revelation. Because of his (Amb's) roleclaim I assumed he'd have some extra information on which to base his suspicions, and his claim appears to be bourne out. Only now on rereading, I think his role was "Courk" - a manatee lover, and protector - ie a doc, rather than "Courk" - the mod - ie no special info.
Dithering twit that I am, I'm no longer as confident I should be voting, especially as Dragon Phoenix has rescinded too. Perhaps I should be banned from voting altogether... <sigh>
unvote Beartalon
Is all mafia this tricky, or have I just been unlucky with my first game? I do agree that there's a lot of dialogue missing which would probably give a hint of whom to start forming opinions. What about Livingod, is he still playing? Ctorj only made the one post to vote Bearty immediately on replacing, that I can see. Should I be expecting more participation for learning mafia, or is this game typical?

[Quailman]

Hmmm... Interesting developments. In reading through the night's posts, I was getting the impression that perhaps, as someone stated, BT is the GF, and thus immune to investigation. A common GF ploy is to invite a cop to check him out.

We've already lynched two different killers, and last night's kill is indicative of a powerboat. Who/what might the GF be, if the powerboat is a thug? Maybe it's George Bush, who has tried his hardest to gut the Endangered Species Act.

[Beartalon]

[Beartalon]

One more thing:

MatthewV apparently also didn't have a name (unless Courk has chosen not to reveal it), so that is no longer a reason to consider me scum.

Per the list of living and dead:
MatthewV - Hydrodamalis gigas (Steller's Sea Cow), townie - slashed Night 4

[pete d]

vote: Middle Aged Guy for lurking, + lack of input in regards to revealed scum. I'm giving BT the benefit of the doubt for now.

[Tseirp]

Going back...I have to also raise suspect upon Worm for his connections to chuck yesterday...

[worm]

you've caught me...i'm the scientist who's tracking chuck!

my connection to chuck was that i asked him a question about his role pm. i figured if he were a manatee, he would be given a species ("try & check" your role pm again -- trichechus manatus)....all manatees are "special", etc. i was being cryptic to avoid giving away the answer to my question.

i realized my idea for outing false manatee claims had the flaw that sefer's death scene had already shown him with a species..

my lack of suspicion for beartalon is largely based on his claim of a particular species of manatee, which was before sefer's scene.

[Beartalon]

worm, you're tracking a monofilament line?

It might be a bit of a jump, but if you're tracking a mafia member, then I'd assume you were the GF first, and more exotic explanations later...