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Neo
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:12 am    Post subject: 1 Reply with quote

Link to the Puzzles

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ralphmerridew
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:36 am    Post subject: 2 Reply with quote

On IX, I noticed the phrase NO GUITAR reading down.
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ralphmerridew
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:20 am    Post subject: 3 Reply with quote

On VI:
The first roll has 18 on two adjacent sides and 10 on two opposite sides. The second has 7 / 11; the third has 6 / 16. That gives three different sums for the opposite sides, so all faces are represented.

In the third roll, to get 6 from the two adjacent sides involves one from the pair summing to 10 and one from the pair summing to 11:

18 / 10 :: 5/_5 | 4/6 | 3/7 | 2/8 | 1/9
_7 / 11 :: 1/10 | 2/9 | 3/8 | 4/7 | 5/6
_6 / 16 ::

The first and third cases are right out as they have a duplicated number.
Next, to make 7 for the second roll could use either the first number from the first pair of opposite sides or the second:

18 / 10 :: 4/_6 | 4/_6 | 2/_8 | 1/_9
_7 / 11 :: 2/_9 | 2/_9 | 4/_7 | 5/_6
_6 / 16 :: 3/13 | 1/15 | 5/11 | 6/10

Only in the fourth case is it possible to form 18 from two numbers: 2 and 8 opposite, 4 and 7 opposite, 5 and 11 opposite.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:35 am    Post subject: 4 Reply with quote

For the Roll Of The Dice problem I wrote a UBASIC program to generate random sides and then check it for being a solution.
Code:
   10   point 15
   20   randomize
   30   S=rnd
   40   S1=fnR()
   50   S2=fnR()
   60   if S2=S1 then 50
   70   S3=fnR()
   80   if S3=S1 or S3=S2 then 70
   90   S4=fnR()
  100   if S4=S1 or S4=S2 or S4=S1 then 90
  110   S5=fnR()
  120   if S5=S1 or S5=S2 or S5=S3 or S5=S4 then 110
  130   S6=fnR()
  140   if S6=1 or S6=S2 or S6=S3 or S6=S4 or S6=S5 then 130
  150   X=0
  160   T1=18
  170   T2=10
  180   gosub 320
  190   T1=7
  200   T2=11
  210   gosub 320
  220   T1=6
  230   T2=16
  240   gosub 320
  250   if X=3 then print S1;S2;S3;S4;S5;S6
  260   goto 40
  270   fnR()
  280   S=2-S*S
  290   V=abs(S*1000000000000)
  300   V=V-int(V)
  310   return(int(V*22+1))
  320   if S1+S2=T1 and S3+S4=T2 then X=X+1:return
  330   if S1+S3=T1 and S2+S5=T2 then X=X+1:return
  340   if S1+S4=T1 and S2+S5=T2 then X=X+1:return
  350   if S1+S5=T1 and S3+S4=T2 then X=X+1:return
  360   if S2+S3=T1 and S1+S6=T2 then X=X+1:return
  370   if S2+S4=T1 and S1+S6=T2 then X=X+1:return
  380   if S2+S6=T1 and S3+S4=T2 then X=X+1:return
  390   if S3+S5=T1 and S1+S6=T2 then X=X+1:return
  400   if S3+S6=T1 and S2+S5=T2 then X=X+1:return
  410   if S4+S5=T1 and S1+S6=T2 then X=X+1:return
  420   if S4+S6=T1 and S2+S5=T2 then X=X+1:return
  430   if S5+S6=T1 and S3+S4=T2 then X=X+1
  440   return
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Samadhi
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:56 am    Post subject: 5 Reply with quote

That's not entirely elegant. Felicitous
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Antrax
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:09 am    Post subject: 6 Reply with quote

Yeah, you should use C, like I did.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:19 am    Post subject: 7 Reply with quote

It's not entirely efficient either, finding the solution less than once per million loops. It's a good thing I was patient.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:30 am    Post subject: 8 Reply with quote

It's a wonder, at your age.
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ralphmerridew
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:46 am    Post subject: 9 Reply with quote

There's also a bug:

140 if S6=1 or S6=S2 or S6=S3 or S6=S4 or S6=S5 then 130

should "if S6=S1"
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Chuck
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:37 pm    Post subject: 10 Reply with quote

Oops. I hand checked the answer I got so I never had reason to look for bugs.
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Gomez
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:03 pm    Post subject: 11 Reply with quote

Interesting thing about the dice problem. I showed it to a workmate who has mildly autistic tendencies (I don't know for certain if he is autistic, but he does have a kinda "rain man" vibe about him). Anyway, he solved it in his head in about 5 minutes. Unfortunately, his solution was rather different from the one I submitted Dispirited

Weird how people's minds work, isn't it?
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Duke Gnome
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:01 pm    Post subject: 12 Reply with quote

On IX also, (All the words contain a number within them. I didn't notice the NOGUITAR whilst trying to solve it, and still have no idea how to proceed from here)
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:32 am    Post subject: 13 Reply with quote

And the unused letters are an anagram of MANDOLIN. I think we're getting close.
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Logain
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 1:15 pm    Post subject: 14 Reply with quote

phw wrote:
I think we're getting close.


I think close might not be the correct word here Razz

There is more to the numbers that you can backtrack on now. but they actually served more than one purpose for me I can comment on after someone solves that part.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 2:34 pm    Post subject: 15 Reply with quote

Putting the words in order based on the numbers:

FORUM = M
AXIS = A
TOWN = N
DENT = D
HOGTIE = O
LINEN = L
EITHER = I
NEON = N

I don't see the other pupose though.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 3:48 pm    Post subject: 16 Reply with quote

Nauplius, the one pupose was confirming the anagram order, but the other purpose was more of a distraction on where to start. The puzzle was solvable without them...and in my opinion, it would've even been much easier. Part of the difficulty was giving too much information so the starting point (focusing on the common trait of the words) was less obvious.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:28 am    Post subject: 17 Reply with quote

On the die problem, left to right on four sides: 6,10,5,0, top 13, bottom absolute value of 3.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:45 am    Post subject: 18 Reply with quote

VIIII, "The birds" Dent flew to the highest branch. Neon first w/ one in his name, Town 2nd w/ two in his name and so on til Dent w/ ten in his name. Sorry, could be girls.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:19 pm    Post subject: 19 Reply with quote

Could someone provide a hint for "The Birds" and "D'n'A", as nobody seems to be taking an interest in them?
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Gomez
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:32 pm    Post subject: 20 Reply with quote

Hints for the 'Birds' and 'D & A' puzzles


1) For 'The Birds' - Not all trees are made of wood.

2) For 'D & A' - The first step is figuring out what D & A stand for.


Hope that helps, but not too much Felicitous
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groza528
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:03 pm    Post subject: 21 Reply with quote

As confirmed by Logain, I *did* figure out what D&A stood for, but didn't get any further than that. I was thrilled when I got the Birds aha though Revenge most foul!
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Duke Gnome
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 10:28 am    Post subject: 22 Reply with quote

Quote:

For 'D & A' - The first step is figuring out what D & A stand for.


I think everybody will have realised that already. Any chance of a meatier hint?
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ralphmerridew
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:02 pm    Post subject: 23 Reply with quote

All I can think of is "Down & Across".
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Gomez
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 1:33 am    Post subject: 24 Reply with quote

Bigger hint for D & A

D & A do, as ralphmerridew noted, stand for Down and Across. This puzzle has nothing to do with crosswords or anything like that, rather each item in the series should be interpreted as an instruction. Furthermore, do not forget that this is a sequence puzzle, and the best sequence puzzles are those which find new and original ways of representing sequences which are very, very simple
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This was, incidentally, my favourite puzzle of the entire competition.
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Dented Ford
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 7:51 am    Post subject: 25 Reply with quote

I think DnA is where:

Ds count the downstrokes and As count the across strokes of a digital number display, like a calculator or clock. The series given is 1 (2 downstrokes) through 10 (6 downstrokes, 2 from digit 1 and 4 from digit 0, etc) and the required answer should be 11 through 14 as per:
4D
4D3A
4D3A
5D1A
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:43 am    Post subject: 26 Reply with quote

VI

...11
8..7..2
...5
...4
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:37 pm    Post subject: 27 Reply with quote

Am I on the right track here:

Sugar - ?
farmer's - Daughter
undercover - Brother?
fortunate - Son
goose - Mother
clause - Grandfather
twisted - Sister
buck - Uncle
time - Father

If so I'd guess the answer would be clause goes to the highest branch.
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Logain
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:27 pm    Post subject: 28 Reply with quote

I'd say your track looks pretty good Nauplius Wink

The one you left out can be said to be ambigious since two good answers can fit...although if you google both possibilities one result is twice the other, but it's irrelevant since it doesn't affect the puzzle's outcome.
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PuzzleScot
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:05 pm    Post subject: 29 Reply with quote

I'm lovin' this - kicking myself at those I'd missed - Bizarrely I *did* figure out what D&A stood for, but made no more sense of it. oh well...

As for birds - good puzzle, but for one thing - too American! Well, that's not strictly true - it can be American if we know it is so...

"clause = Grandfather" - huh? must be an American thing?
I could say the same for
"undercover = Brother" and "fortunate = Son" too...

BTW, Sugar = Daddy, right?, or maybe it's 'baby' in the US?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:02 pm    Post subject: 30 Reply with quote

I'm less sure about the other ones, but I suppose Grandfather clause could seem American. I'm not sure if it's strictly used in America, though.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:35 pm    Post subject: 31 Reply with quote

"Grandfather clause" refers to a clause sometimes added to changes in regulations that allows existing objects that otherwise conflict with the new regulations. (For example, laws related to emission standards may except classic cars.)

The term comes from a law that a person must pass a literacy test to vote, unless he, his father, or grandfather was eligible to vote before a certain date.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:09 pm    Post subject: 32 Reply with quote

Grandfather Clause is a fairly international term. We certainly have it here in Ireland.
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