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Cordelia
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 Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 4:42 am Post subject: 441 |
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Here are the hunts:
mith -> Duke Gnome
Dented Ford -> Duke Gnome (82 points to jesus_saves)
jesus_saves -> Dented Ford
lexprod -> Persona
ralphmerridew -> MNOWAX (10 points to MatthewV)
MatthewV -> wordcross
Zag -> wordcross (100 points to mith)
Duke Gnome -> wordcross
Persona -> Duke Gnome
Scurra -> Persona
Amb -> MatthewV (110 points to wordcross)
Ctuchik -> MNOWAX
Leonidas -> wordcross
MNOWAX -> mith (60 points to Duke Gnome)
After donations, here are the scores:
Mackay: 181
RequiemEternam: 85
Dented Ford: 0
Scurra: 188
Poisonium: 112
wordcross: 326
ralphmerridew: 225
Persona: 88
MNOWAX: 1
Ctuchik: 110
lexprod: 249
jesus_saves: 268
mith: 324
Zag: 41
Duke Gnome: 72
Amb: 0
Leonidas: 10
MatthewV: 10
Here are the hunting groups. Those that are successful in their respective hunts are in bold:
mith (324), Dented Ford (0), Persona (88) -> Duke Gnome (72)
jesus_saves (268) -> Dented Ford (0)
lexprod (249), Scurra (188) -> Persona (88)
ralphmerridew (225), Ctuchik (110) -> MNOWAX (1)
MatthewV (10), Zag (41), Duke Gnome (72), Leonidas (10) -> wordcross (326)
Amb (0) -> MatthewV (10)
MNOWAX (1) -> mith (324)
As you can see, some craziness ensues...here are the points earned:
jesus_saves += 268
MatthewV += 772*2
Zag += 772*2
Duke Gnome += 772*2
Leonidas += 772*2
Amb += 10
MNOWAX += 323
Here are the results:
Scores
Mackay: 181
RequiemEternam: 85
Dented Ford: 0
Scurra: 188
Poisonium: 112
wordcross: 326
ralphmerridew: 225
Persona: 88
MNOWAX: 324
Ctuchik: 110
lexprod: 249
jesus_saves: 536
mith: 324
Zag: 1585
Duke Gnome: 1616
Amb: 10
Leonidas: 1554
MatthewV: 1554
It looks like a little cooperation went a loooong way. Congratulations to the four who endeavoured to cooperate, and to anyone who managed to make it out ahead after the hunt!
The next round will be up tomorrow and the Newb may join at any time between now and the due date for that game. We have a maximum of 2 rounds left, people!
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Trojan Horse
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 4:59 am Post subject: 442 |
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I know someone who's more desperate than I am to get into this game. So I'm not gonna take it.
Hurry up, TGC! Get in! (Before I change my mind!  ) |
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Trojan Horse
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 5:01 am Post subject: 443 |
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| Actually, am I allowed to claim the spot and then hand it to TGC? Cause I will if I'm allowed to. (Otherwise, still /out.) |
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Neo
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 5:03 am Post subject: 444 |
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| Trojan Horse wrote: |
| Actually, am I allowed to claim the spot and then hand it to TGC? Cause I will if I'm allowed to. (Otherwise, still /out.) |
No, you're not, because I'm here, and I'm in.
/in
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Leonidas
Membre Daedalien
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 6:11 am Post subject: 445 |
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Pss pss Cordelia:
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If a successful Topple the Giant team includes the Newb, each player will score double.
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Ahem? |
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mith
Pitbull of Truth
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 6:36 am Post subject: 446 |
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| Sigh. I haven't even done anything to either of those two. Do people (esp DF) just like hurting me in this game for no gain, or don't understand the rules, or what? |
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Amb
Amb the Hitched.
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 6:47 am Post subject: 447 |
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| Are we really going to drag this out one more round now? |
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Neo
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 6:51 am Post subject: 448 |
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| Amb wrote: |
| Are we really going to drag this out one more round now? |
Yes. I want to be a newb too
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Neo
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 6:52 am Post subject: 449 |
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Weird ISE like behavior.
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MatthewV
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 9:32 pm Post subject: 450 |
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Can I give Amb 121 points, please?
Zap, Leonidas and Duke Gnome, you all own me. My point giver came through. |
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mith
Pitbull of Truth
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: 451 |
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| Er... am I missing something? Isn't this exactly the sort of thing Cordy explicitly banned earlier? |
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MatthewV
Daedalian Member :_
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 10:45 pm Post subject: 452 |
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We weren't allowed to donate points we didn't have yet. (I couldn't give away the 10 points rm had promised me).
We were allowed to convince other people to donate points to the right person. |
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Zag
Unintentionally offensive old coot
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 10:54 pm Post subject: 453 |
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Not to gild the lily, or anything, but ...
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Round 18: The Hunt
If a successful Topple the Giant team includes the Newb, each player will score double.
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Since MatthewV, the newb, was our team, we should have recieved 1544 points each, not 772. |
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MatthewV
Daedalian Member :_
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 10:54 pm Post subject: 454 |
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| clarification: Leonidas, Zag and Duke Gnome don't actually own me anything. I would like to give Amb 121 points to keep good karma and not end up getting screwed like mith. |
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Amb
Amb the Hitched.
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 11:10 pm Post subject: 455 |
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I mistakenly hunted MatthewV. WHoops  |
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Dented Ford
Hoopy Frood
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 11:12 pm Post subject: 456 |
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| mith wrote: |
| Sigh. I haven't even done anything to either of those two. Do people (esp DF) just like hurting me in this game for no gain, or don't understand the rules, or what? |
It was certainly not a personal attack, and I apologise. It's unfortunate that you were the one I had the only inkling of what your intentions were, and being placed highly in the previous round, you had to be a target, in order to try and keep my giftee in reach and minimise risk of others soaring ahead. That worked out pretty well, only I hadn't counted on such a successful collaboration of the hunt gang. |
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MatthewV
Daedalian Member :_
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 11:25 pm Post subject: 457 |
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Another note: if I am not able to randomly give Amb 121 points, that is fine. He can rot! :-)
We didn't actually lose anything by being hunted or getting toppled. |
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MNOWAX
0.999... of a Troll
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 11:25 pm Post subject: 458 |
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i have no idea why i scored point this round. i had one pt and i went after someone that had 324 pts.
i was hoping someone else would be hunting them..
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mith
Pitbull of Truth
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 11:53 pm Post subject: 459 |
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MV, I got the impression from your earlier post that you were giving Amb points as a part of some deal to get him to give points to wordcross. Cordelia earlier answered "in this round at least, no" to this question:
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| Okay, interesting question, what you're asking is "can I make conditional arrangements to become true depending on the outcome of game"...? |
Maybe I'm misinterpreting her intention, but that would seem to strike down such a deal. (And if I'm misinterpreting your post, and there was no such "conditional arrangement", obviously my objection can be ignored.)
(And for the record, I haven't done anything to DF or Persona. That's why I'm so baffled by what they did. It's one thing to screw me over out of revenge, or because I'm doing well. It's another entirely to do so when it hurts you too. I'm not mad, and many aspects of this game have seemed random and arbitrary anyway, but I do want to understand why.)
DF: Eh? I can see that hurting me would keep me in reach - but you knew that it would leave you with nothing. Even if you felt that was worth the sacrifice (and I don't see how it can be worth at least trying to gain points elsewhere), giving away points while screwing me over was strictly bad play. It helped your giftee out a lot (and certainly didn't help you stay in touch with her - unless you meant keeping her in touch with me, and I hope we don't have that level of collusion going on), and hurt you... for what? You could have just as easily targetted DG without giving away points (same effect for me, you keep your 82, j_s ends up on 290 instead of 536).
If this is just a case of you not understand the game or something, fair enough. I didn't come into this game expecting to do well, and I don't want to come across as whiny when things don't go my way. It's just that I stop having fun in games when it feels like players aren't trying to win - and right now, it feels like you are not. |
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Cordelia
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:24 am Post subject: 460 |
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Hm, I walk away for a day, and the whole world seems to blow up!
Yeah yeah, I forgot to double the scores on that, as if you point grubbers didn't have enough already. What I don't understand is why Matty went in with those shmoes anyhow! He could totally have controlled a destiny where he and maybe only one other person were on top, but now he's got to contend with that whole lot!
Don't worry, I fully expect that in this coming round, there will be much bloodshed, erm, I mean, pointshed. Either way, there will be much in the way of explosions.
I say welcome to the Newb, and I'll have the next game up in a jiff...I'll fix the point thing afterwards, but let it be known, those people who have too many points actually have over 700 more of those points.
And I really wish wordcross had chimed in at the last moment giving away his points to someone, I really do. I was really hoping, you know, for the underdogs out there. Don't worry, you'll get your chance! |
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Cordelia
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:40 am Post subject: 461 |
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No, you can't give away points, Matt. Now, if we were running another Hunt, sure, as part of the rules of the game, you can give points away at the beginning of the round.
Sorry, Amb, I didn't know what you were doing either. I thought maybe you were on some insider scoop that was letting you know that MattV was getting a chunk of change. And I promised 20 rounds as long as people were joining, and 20 rounds it'll be. That said, we're getting close to the ends here peoples... |
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MatthewV
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:40 am Post subject: 462 |
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| Note to game makers: exponentials and multipliers are very dangerous. |
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Cordelia
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:41 am Post subject: 463 |
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| Yeah, but they did exactly what I wanted, so apparently not dangerous enough ;) |
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Cordelia
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 5:12 am Post subject: 464 |
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Someone just pointed out an error in my logic, so now I have to fix it. I'll give everyone a taste of what the round is supposed to look like, by flashing the title.
Round 19: Goodfellas
This is where the round text would be if I hadn't made a mistake. Suffice it to say, someone is going to get knocked off. |
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Amb
Amb the Hitched.
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 6:06 am Post subject: 465 |
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| mafia!!!!!! |
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MNOWAX
0.999... of a Troll
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 6:40 am Post subject: 466 |
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and now some people get into their comfort zone.
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Dented Ford
Hoopy Frood
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 8:08 am Post subject: 467 |
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| mith wrote: |
| It's one thing to screw me over out of revenge, or because I'm doing well. |
Well, you were doing well. You were obviously a candidate for a blocking manoeuvre, regardless of the rest.
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| DF: Eh? I can see that hurting me would keep me in reach - but you knew that it would leave you with nothing. Even if you felt that was worth the sacrifice (and I don't see how it can be worth at least trying to gain points elsewhere), giving away points while screwing me over was strictly bad play. |
How on earth can it be bad play? It did exactly what I wanted to achieve.
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| It helped your giftee out a lot (and certainly didn't help you stay in touch with her - unless you meant keeping her in touch with me, and I hope we don't have that level of collusion going on), |
whyever not?
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| and hurt you... for what? You could have just as easily targetted DG without giving away points (same effect for me, you keep your 82, j_s ends up on 290 instead of 536). |
but I wanted her to end up on 536. I don't see a problem with that.
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| If this is just a case of you not understand the game or something, fair enough. I didn't come into this game expecting to do well, and I don't want to come across as whiny when things don't go my way. It's just that I stop having fun in games when it feels like players aren't trying to win - and right now, it feels like you are not. |
I understand the game perfectly well. I don't see why you're suggesting not, except that you are a bit p*ss*d. Bearing in mind the performance of the Newb last round, it seems pretty irrelevant whether I have any points for the last round. Who knows? I could win outright from here. Probably not, but I don't see that it's a significantly worse a position than when I had 82. If points are an advantage to go into the last round, then at least my giftee will have maximised the chances.
Again apologies for hurting you, it's nothing personal. You must realise that one of the strategies is to prevent others scoring as well as to gain points for onesself. It was unfortunate that you were the one I targetted, but then, you were "the best target" under the circumstances. |
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mith
Pitbull of Truth
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:26 am Post subject: 468 |
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When I play a (competitve) game, I do so with the assumption that everyone is trying to win. This statement suggests that you are more interested in helping j_s than helping yourself. It's like playing Monopoly, and half way through someone decides they're bored and gives all their properties/money to their husband/girlfriend/monkey.
If you were saying that you believed it would be an advantage to have few/no points going into the last couple of games, again, fair enough. But you're not. And I don't think we've had any games where having points has been a disadvantage (putting aside the Newb bonus). No, what you're saying is that it didn't hurt you that much, and it maximized your giftee's chances. And that is not acceptable to me. |
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Dented Ford
Hoopy Frood
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:50 am Post subject: 469 |
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| No, what you're saying is that it didn't hurt you that much, and it maximized your giftee's chances. And that is not acceptable to me. |
That is what I'm saying, yes. I'm sorry you have a problem with that.
It doesn't change that I would have targetted you the same, as hindering people from gaining points is, as stated, a valid strategy.
It didn't hurt me that much, no. It may even be an advantage, I don't know. Certainly the Newb with no points this round has a chance to win. Certainly I believe I have at least as much chance to win this round with 0 points as with 82.
I'm not bored with the game. I love the game. I do have an agenda in seeing if I can boost j_s, yes. She may well be in a good position now, thanks to my action. It may actually have hurt - there seems to be a hint from Cordy that the people with high points levels might be wishing otherwise this round.
I don't see that it's a correlation in giving my Monopoly properties away, anyway. Sorry again that you're upset. Nothing personal, as stated before, again. You were still a high scorer, and hence a target. Perhaps I've unwittingly helped you.
I don't think that it's valid for you to say what is and what isn't acceptable though. |
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mith
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:23 am Post subject: 470 |
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DF, my complaint has nothing to do with the results, or what may happen in future games - after all, your actions had no effect on me, because someone else also targetted DG.
My complaint has to do with your motivation in the previous round. You may have helped yourself by getting rid of your points. You may have hurt j_s by gifting her. But when you sent your actions in, you were not attempting to maximize your own chances of winning, and instead were operating with an agenda to boost j_s's points - at least, as far as I can judge from your responses.
Is this a correct assessment of your motivation?
Ultimately, what's acceptable and what's not in this game is up to Cordy. I think, however, that it's perfectly valid for me to say what's acceptable to me on a general gaming ethics level - as it directly affects my enjoyment in this and future games. |
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Dented Ford
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 12:08 pm Post subject: 471 |
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My complaint has to do with your motivation in the previous round. You may have helped yourself by getting rid of your points. You may have hurt j_s by gifting her. But when you sent your actions in, you were not attempting to maximize your own chances of winning, and instead were operating with an agenda to boost j_s's points - at least, as far as I can judge from your responses.
Is this a correct assessment of your motivation? |
No. I was, and still am, operating on an agenda to win the game. I don't believe the game mechanic is workable unless everyone can win, regardless of how many points they begin with in a round. Therefore I do not see that I have done anything to jeopardise my chance, and I'm playing just as much for me as for j_s. I do have an agenda to maximise the number of points that j_s ends up with. Whether she needs them or not to win is another matter. I don't know. For some reason I had lost count of the rounds, and I thought that the next one would be the last. Therefore I was keen to make sure that she could at least start high on the leaderboard, and have a good place in the finish, if things aren't as choppy-changy as they will probably turn out to be.
I still believe that I can win. I still intend to if I can. If I can't, then I've put my nominee in a good place to do so.
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| Ultimately, what's acceptable and what's not in this game is up to Cordy. I think, however, that it's perfectly valid for me to say what's acceptable to me on a general gaming ethics level - as it directly affects my enjoyment in this and future games. |
It strikes me that is quite a personal attack, and I resent the suggestion of a lack of ethics in this case. You've said what you've said, and I have to say, for someone who doesn't "want to come across as whiny" you aren't doing a terribly good job.
I think my personal enjoyment of this and potentially future games is now being affected. Perhaps it would be better if in future I stayed clear of anything in which you chose to participate to avoid this? |
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Dented Ford
Hoopy Frood
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 12:10 pm Post subject: 472 |
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| It also strikes me that judging my gaming ethics on "how hard I'm trying to win" also assumes that there is no merit in playing a game "for fun" and for the "social experience" as well as intently trying to compete. Which is nonsense. |
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mith
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 12:27 pm Post subject: 473 |
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| No. I was, and still am, operating on an agenda to win the game. |
That's fine, then. I have no complaint if you are trying to win. Your previous posts had given an entirely different impression, and I apologize for misinterpreting.
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| It also strikes me that judging my gaming ethics on "how hard I'm trying to win" also assumes that there is no merit in playing a game "for fun" and for the "social experience" as well as intently trying to compete. Which is nonsense. |
No, it doesn't. I play games for fun, and for the social experience, and to win. The three are not mutually exclusive. (At the same time, there are obviously limits - I wouldn't condone breaking the rules under a "trying to win" agenda, for example.)
What I have a problem with is playing (competitive) games and ignoring either the "try to win" or "have fun" part of it. What's the point? |
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jesus_saves
Almost Right
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 12:31 pm Post subject: 474 |
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| to their husband/girlfriend/monkey. |
Do I get to be all three of these?  |
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The Great Crep'er
2% Spambot
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 1:45 pm Post subject: 475 |
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| Cordelia wrote: |
| This is where the round text would be if I hadn't made a mistake. Suffice it to say, someone is going to get knocked off. |
Sad, for a while, you had me thinking that The Newb was original, it was its own with no eliminations and instead people joining in one at a time, now it has just become another survivor. Oh well. 
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Neo
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 2:28 pm Post subject: 476 |
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| The Great Crep'er wrote: |
| Cordelia wrote: |
| This is where the round text would be if I hadn't made a mistake. Suffice it to say, someone is going to get knocked off. |
Sad, for a while, you had me thinking that The Newb was original, it was its own with no eliminations and instead people joining in one at a time, now it has just become another survivor. Oh well. |
Are you familiar with the whooshing sound that is a joke going over your head?
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Mackay
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 3:33 pm Post subject: 477 |
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I'm taking an unexpected break. Sorry for not showing up last round, Cordy, maybe TGC can replace me if he wants. I've gotta be out.  |
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MNOWAX
0.999... of a Troll
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:07 pm Post subject: 478 |
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i still have no idea why i got points last round... i shouldn't have scored....
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Ctuchik
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 6:41 pm Post subject: 479 |
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Why? You had 1 point and mith had 324.
The hunting team was supposed to have less points than the prey, so everything is correct! |
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Projectyl
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 7:52 pm Post subject: 480 |
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/replace
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