Small Game! Overall Town Loss! Mafia and SK tied!

[thedragon'sprincess]

Unless we do not have either a doc or a cop thats not possible... weve already lost 2 townies and I have no problem admitting that I am also vanilla. That means that unless we lack one of those two roles it's not possible to have 4 vanilla townies. confirm vote

[Poisonium]

Unvote; Vote: thedragon'sprincess

[thedragon'sprincess]

ok
A) you dont have to be a jerk about it.
B) did any of us expect to have a serial killer in an 8 player game? no. that means that apparently anything is possible.
C) you dont believe me? lynch me. then you'll find out that I AM telling the truth
plus, as a matter of fact there ARE 3 townies, 1 cop, 1 doc, 1 serial killer, and 2 mafia. count them...3+1+1+1+2= 8. we already have 2 confirmed townies that are dead and me and mnowax are both claiming town.

[Poisonium]

Why are you claiming town?
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[thedragon'sprincess]

a number of reasons. 1) we know that if we dont lynch mafia is going to kill someone tonight. I'm willing to sacrifice myself. 2) I believe that mnowax is mafia looking for an easy claim. I don't buy is for a second that he's town- especially since he hasn't been acting like it.

[Poisonium]

[Silverfire]

That wasn't very smart, tdp.

However, I don't buy MNOWAX's claim. Out of the five townies, two have been confirmed vanilla. The odds are low that MNOWAX is yet another vanilla townie, and high that 'townie' is just a convenient false claim.

*crosses fingers*
vote: MNOWAX

Btw, Poisonium, if I'm interpreting the rules correctly, we know we have a serial killer, not a vig, because whoever killed TGC killed him after the mafia kill. A vig would kill before the mafia kill.

[KradDrol]

You can't really assume that - it's possible that a vig targeted Crepe'r and the other mafia did the NK, and raekuul just wrote the story to make it seem more convenient.

[Poisonium]

[MNOWAX]

i think i just gat hammered... well good luck town.
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MNOWAX

[The Great Crep'er]

[thedragon'sprincess]

well apparently I am too stupid to be playing this game, since my theory was wrong. mafia or sk please kill me during the night otherwise I will be quitting when the next day starts. thanks for opening my eyes poison... i guess 'stupid' people really shouldnt play this game

[Poisonium]

Oh, I was even worse when I was newbie.
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[raekuul]

MNOWAX Lynched, he was a vanilla townie.

There is an effective roleblock power inherent within the kill order.

If Vig and Mafia target each other, the Vig survives, and the Mafia kill fails.
If Mafia and SK target each other, the Mafia survives, and the SK kill fails.
If SK and Vig target each other, the SK survives, and the Vig kill fails.

Night 2 phase begins... NOW!

[raekuul]

The Dragon's Princess (Townie number four) slain by the Mafia.
Poisonium (Cop) slain by the other party.

It is now KradDrol versus Silverfire. How on earth do I handle this? Is this a tie? Is this Total Annihilation? What?

In any event, the town lost.

[Poisonium]

I say it's a three way tie!
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[The Great Crep'er]

raekuul, did you perchance happen to see the Mafia5 I modded?

It seems that with games with a small amount of players, if any side has too many players, so many lucky guesses the cop could make, it could easily be influenced towards any side. Especially with two kills a night, it could easily be a recipe for disaster, with so many townies going down at once if the doc isn't on the ball, basically, don't take this the wrong way, but with only two chances to lynch baddies, I'd have to say that the town had it lost right there, there was no 'controlling' in the night.

So, if it has to be that way, than I simply don't like you.

Small players unfortunately have little room for roles, because it soon becomes overwhelming.
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[KradDrol]

If the mafia PM is like other games, the condition for winning is when the town is dead. The SK is not considered to be town, therefore the mafia win.

Soooooo close.

[raekuul]

The SK's win condition was to not be lynched, and he was the only one who had an explicit win condition.

Gotta be more careful about that in MacGuffin Mafia (pending title)

[Silverfire]

[raekuul]

Except that his win condition was to not be lynched. Technically, he can't be lynched.

KradDrol, what's your ruling? Take a Draw, or get killed tonight?

[MNOWAX]

i assume by the way the mod has posted, kradrol is SK and therefor he lost because he would be dead before he could kill silver. in my opinion i believe you can chalk this up to a mafia win.
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MNOWAX

[KradDrol]

IMO, this is a mafia win. The SK's win condition is not to get lynched, but it goes against the general view of what an SK should be. I could've theoretically been killed night 1 with most of the town still alive, and still have won because I wasn't lynched.

I will say, the kill order does kinda screw me over though, this could've ended in a draw.

[Silverfire]

I think it depends on the intent of the PM wording.

Raekuul, if we had nightkilled KradDrol the first night, would that have been an SK win? If not, then I think that this is a mafia win, but if so, would the game have continued, to produce another victor? If so, then I think that this is not a draw, but a joint victory. If not, then I think this is an SK win.

Out of curiosity, KradDrol, why did you choose Poisonium?

[Poisonium]

I thought I looked innocent.
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[raekuul]

Go here, use the second embedded player. (The first one is just me being silly)

[The Great Crep'er]

Alrighty then, wow, it is weird hearing raekuul's voice, reminds me of my cousin's.

1. First off, yes, I was referring to Mafia5 that I modded, as you will clearly see, that in the fifth mafia game ever modded on the forums, it was many years before my time, and therefore was unavailable to mod, play in, or even lurk around (as I had not uncovered this place yet) that game.
2. Do people actually say Krehp-er? I was under the impression that my name was pronounced Cray-per Really just intended for the correct pronunciation of Crep'e (again, yes sorry for being so cartoonish yet again ) which I thought was Crayp.
3. Ah, I see, although I can't say this wasn't too much in the town's favors, as when the players list is sprinkled with a few here inexperienced, it's hard to lynch correctly, and how votes can pile on so quickly during lynches.
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[MNOWAX]

Firstly yeah it is weird that people actually talk with their voices on a message board. i always wish i could hear everyone and make a picture or a voice to the name.


m - no - wax

everyone pronounces it like minnow wax i dont know why.
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MNOWAX

[mps1453]

[Poisonium]

I pronounce it m n o wax.
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[Dented Ford]

I saw you "pronounce" it out before, pretty early on when I started on GL, so I always think of it as Em-No-Wax.
Now I'm starting to wonder, is it meant to be Muh-No-Wax?

[The Great Crep'er]

Say, why didn't the MNOWAX cross the keyboard?

Because the caps lock key was out of order! Doy!
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[mps1453]