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Ctuchik
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 Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:34 pm Post subject: 401 |
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Indeed, I too do still support a mass claim!
People I definitely want a claim from are Skruffs, groza and alphatango.
Furthermore we have had another exploding time-travel device...
I was hoping that KradDrol was responsible for them, since there wasn't one last night, but apparently he was not. Maybe I accidentally saved someone on night 3, cause during night 1 I sent in a repair for night 3. (I won't say who I saved yet, until we had some claims).
Until now the explosions did always happen on the current night. It's a shame that this changed today, cause I actually repaired Amb's device -- just on night 4 
| Amb wrote: |
Since I am dead and all. (BAH)
I hereby announce my retirement from all mafia. I will be taking a break from the GL as well, but not until my two games in VG complete.
Go town. |
Your death is not final! Will you continue playing, if reality changes?
Also: Don't leave the GL :'(
Now we have a dead cop ...
I told you he should have revealed his investigations earlier 
Especially since the doc is also dead (plus he was modkilled), there's no way to "revive" him.
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| Chuck: No info to get a read. Seems to be lurking. Claims fear of upsetting people as a reason not to vote. Not a reason not to participate. Possibly scummy. |
He's still one of my top choices for a lynch today. His early claim and his lurking make him very suspicious. Chuck, if you read this, you should post a bit. If you are town, then not voting people is no solution. You can't just let the rest of us play the game alone 
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| MatthewV: pretty convinced he has a significant role - and I get the impression it's town-aligned. |
I thought he was scummy for a while, but mainly cause he was voting me, I guess. He's one of the active players and I'd rather lynch a silent one first, anyway. A claim from him would be helpful though 
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| Dented Ford: a bewildered, hopeless case. Sorry for muddying things up with everything I say and do. |
You are actually one of the players that look most innocent to me.
Though that makes me wonder, whether you are maf, playing it extremely well  |
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Amb
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:20 pm Post subject: 402 |
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Your death is not final! Will you continue playing, if reality changes? |
Yes. * dies again * |
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Skruffs
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:54 pm Post subject: 403 |
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| Courk wrote: |
Departed
- Leonidas - Plague - Night 1
- Irgy - Plague - Night 1
- thedragon'sprincess - Plague - Day 1
- Undercover Monk - Lynched - Day 1
- Amb - Blown up - Night 2
- hasdgfas - Speared - Night 2
hasdgfas - Mod Killed, cop - Night 4
- KradDrol - Speared - Night 2
- bbbbbbbbba - Lynched - Day 2
bbbbbbbbba - Lynched - Day 3
bbbbbbbbba - Mod Killed, Doctor - Day 3
- The Anti-Nerd (
mps1453) - Mod Killed, Townie - Day 3
- Lastword-2 - Mod Killed, Extra Voter - Night 4
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Well you will note that nobody was speared, burned, plagued, or eaten (Just throwing out random scenery-causing deaths) last night.
I have absolutely no problem with claiming, because at this point I think mafia(or scum or whoever) have a prety good feeling of what kind of role I am, anyways, so telling everyone else won't hurt me.
I am a limited use hider, I can "time travel" away during the night, a certain number of times during the day, which makes me unable to be targetted.
As soon as I replaced into the game I pointed out that my time travel device blew up even though I Did Not use it that night. I doubt that counts as an effective bread crumb, but it is the truth.
My guess that we had three mod killings and no other related deaths is that I was targetted for death last night! |
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Chuck
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:51 pm Post subject: 404 |
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I don't see how my lurking is any more detrimental to the game than random votes or uninformed comments.
My role is a tourist with no special ability. If I knew anything I'd be announcing it just to have something to do besides pointing out how scummy other peoples' posts seem. |
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AZu
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:39 pm Post subject: 405 |
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| I say of with his head. |
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Chuck
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:41 pm Post subject: 406 |
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| Well, if you must. I can hardly start a defense now since I've already claimed to not know anything. Anyway, maybe I won't stay dead. |
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MatthewV
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 12:18 am Post subject: 407 |
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I set the time line before the game started and have no other powers.
ChienFou and groza528 are at the top of my current list. |
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AZu
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 12:26 am Post subject: 408 |
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| I set the time line before the game started ... |
meaning? |
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Dented Ford
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:49 am Post subject: 409 |
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don't see how my lurking is any more detrimental to the game than random votes or uninformed comments.
My role is a tourist with no special ability. If I knew anything I'd be announcing it just to have something to do besides pointing out how scummy other peoples' posts seem. |
It is detrimental to have lurking, as the game stagnates and no dialogue = no fun => people dropping out and being modkilled => spoiling what should be an awesome game.
You must surely have some thoughts, even if they're not accusatory. You had one post early on which commented on the unknowability of roles on death giving the potential for uncertainty over cop claims. That was a contribution, and appreciated. Surely by now you have some ideas and opinions. I think we're already beyond the OMGUS stage.
Although you have already admitted you have been deliberately lurking, so perhaps there are real grounds for believing you're scum.
Although Chuck can easily be scum, I think AZu has leapt on the "off with his head" bandwagon a bit quickly too, again a suddenly suspicious call with no real reasoning to back it up. He's been mainly inactive until these last sudden suspicious calls. Now the next is just a gut feeling at the tone of his post just above, as it's natural to want a bit more clarification of MattV's info, but it comes across to me more as fishing for info to be able to use (perhaps to boost a potential claim - and before he's had to make it) rather than genuine townie "let's try to understand this" sort of asking. At the moment AZu is top of my suspicion list.
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| Dented Ford: a bewildered, hopeless case. Sorry for muddying things up with everything I say and do. |
You are actually one of the players that look most innocent to me.
Though that makes me wonder, whether you are maf, playing it extremely well |
You have seen my mafia pedigree? One whole game (Courk's manatee mafia) where I got everything wrong, especially hopelessly about Beartalon, and half (as a replacement in MNO's Killer Has A Voice 2) where I got the right read on Amb but he turned it around I thought I'd have my mafia licence revoked (thanks to a ploy in killing off his scumbuddy at night - who was an inactive player, as it happened). Anyway, uh... thanks, I think, but I'm just a tourist. I do have a name but no non-vanilla powers. |
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Skruffs
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: 410 |
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| MatthewV wrote: |
I set the time line before the game started and have no other powers.
ChienFou and groza528 are at the top of my current list. |
What does this mean? I ask becauase you just said that you have a link with the places we are going, places that seem to be killing us.
Also, you thought Amb was scum yesterday - her time machine was sabotagued and she is dead, presumably with no doctor to bring her back. Do you still think she was scum?
Chuck - Your last comment seems to suggest that you have no intentions of finding scum; as if you think only by having a role would you be able to help find scum. Is that true?
Ctuchik - did you think Amb was most likely town or scum? |
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Skruffs
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:58 pm Post subject: 411 |
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| One thing we want to avoid is a bunch of people tied for second. If that happens, the mafia can kill the first person we lynched and as a result kill off two others. And this would happen only if it was bad for the town (most likely). |
I had to go back and look - This was from the first page of the game.
How did you know that the mafia could travel back in time and kill off people at this point? |
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Chuck
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject: 412 |
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| I am trying to find the scum. I'm reading the posts looking for suspicions activity or for people who look like they might know something. |
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MatthewV
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 11:53 pm Post subject: 413 |
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The part that Skruffs quoted me about avoiding ties for second comes from the mechanics of a different game. Courk later clarified that wasn't how this game worked.
Amb is male (we think).
OK- before anybody received their role I was told to sequence the places we would travel to. I was told that some of the places would have benefits and/or detriments to the town. I haphazardly put them into the order we have been traveling. I did my best to pick times that might be bad for the town at the start of the game and good later in the game (how is that working for us? :-) ). Besides that, I am vanilla.
As far as I know, events such as deaths by plague, votes on Amb, and this auto-deadlined day were because of the time period. |
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isauteikisa
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 2:03 am Post subject: 414 |
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@MatthewV - interesting. Since this is something that looks like it should be directly testable, can you tell us where we're going next?
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MatthewV
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 2:55 am Post subject: 415 |
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| Yes, I could. |
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MatthewV
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 2:57 am Post subject: 416 |
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| Tomorrow will be a good day to make an investment as we will be heading a few million years into the past. Enjoy! |
(I said this yesterday) |
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Ctuchik
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:00 am Post subject: 417 |
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Cool, MatthewV! Please tell us where we are going next! That should definitely clear you! It's also a cool idea to have such a power in this game! Great work, Courk
The mass claim works well so far!
Once everyone claimed, we should sum it all up in one post and then decide about a lynch for today!
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| Ctuchik - did you think Amb was most likely town or scum? |
I think he's town! His claim was sound, the three votes on him looked quite like a scum ability and that he died makes me pretty sure that he's town. |
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isauteikisa
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:35 am Post subject: 418 |
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I'm not exactly sure that a mass claim is a good idea at this point - we still have 10 alive. However, as we're unsure of # of mafia in the game, I'm inclined to go along with it. I don't have any special abilities - vanilla townie (tourist).
I'm never really in favor of a no-lynch, and anyone suggesting such in this game (where we don't know numbers) without a very good reason is an idiot. So let's not have any of this nonsense, kthx?
@MatthewV - thanks for the info. I need to stop being lazy and actually read back over things at this point so I can catch stuff like this. What's tomorrow look like - anything potentially bad... or any reason to not tell us what's up tomorrow? (also, /agree w/Ctuchik - cool power, Courk.)
Losing 4 town - aligned roles to modkills sucks (I'm assuming extra vote is a town effect - something like that seems too OP for a scum to have). I also don't like that 3 of the 4 days seem to have negative effects for town - artifical deadlines and environmental kills.
Don't really have much else to say atm. Who are we lacking as far as claims @ this point?
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isauteikisa
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:36 am Post subject: 419 |
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*THAT nonsence. I've not seen any no-lynch calls yet, just a pre-emptive warning.
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MatthewV
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:54 pm Post subject: 420 |
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I am afraid that specific knowledge of where we are going will help some other role. But tomorrow we will be in the future.
We can't no lynch (but we can kill a body again) |
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alphatango
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:23 am Post subject: 421 |
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Just a quick post to note that I'm still here. Sorry, I've been in concerts for the past couple of days -- should be able to post something substantive by tomorrow.
I may have missed it in my quick scan, but has something in particular triggered this mass claim request?
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MatthewV
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:03 am Post subject: 422 |
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| Just the fact that the town appears to have no information and really not much to go on. |
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Ctuchik
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:13 am Post subject: 423 |
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Claims so far:
Chuck - No time travel ability (#69)
Ctuchik - Time Travel Device Repairman (#316)
Amb - One shot vig (#381)
Skruffs - Hider (#403)
Dented Ford - Tourist (#409)
MatthewV - Set the time line (#413)
isauteikisa - Tourist (#418)
Yet to claim:
alphatango
AZu
groza528
ChienFou
alphatango, if you've got nothing to hide, you should claim now!
The mass claim wasn't triggered by anything in particular, but it works fine to get the game moving again. |
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AZu
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:07 am Post subject: 424 |
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I'll go ahead.
I am the one who killed groza and Amb. Amb's claim of being a one shot vig seemed quite scummy considering the fact that I have no such limitation. |
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Skruffs
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:50 pm Post subject: 425 |
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Cool, MatthewV! Please tell us where we are going next! That should definitely clear you! It's also a cool idea to have such a power in this game! Great work, Courk
The mass claim works well so far!
Once everyone claimed, we should sum it all up in one post and then decide about a lynch for today!
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| Ctuchik - did you think Amb was most likely town or scum? |
I think he's town! His claim was sound, the three votes on him looked quite like a scum ability and that he died makes me pretty sure that he's town. |
So the extra votes (which presumably came from an exposed, town, extra voter) were a scum ability? And htat makes Amb more likely town?
Interesting.
MatthewV - why would you try to hurt the town first and give the town benefits later on? Doesn't that make it much much more likely that town will lose easier? Town has to make it to the end to get to the "Good stuff" and by that point the Mafia could have already won. And... how did you know that the "Bad" vs "Good" things would affect town and not mafia? Does that mean that all the plague victims are confirmed town?
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| I'm not exactly sure that a mass claim is a good idea at this point - (snip) Who are we lacking as far as claims @ this point? |
Interesting turn around.
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I'll go ahead.
I am the one who killed groza and Amb. Amb's claim of being a one shot vig seemed quite scummy considering the fact that I have no such limitation. |
that means you also killed me, night one.
So MattherV is hte "trip organizer" who decided where we will be going (which is what all the environment-responsible deaths stemmed from) and AZu has been blowing us up on the side. Between those two players we have all the deaths accounted for.
I just have to doubt the alignments of someone who would send an entire tour group of time travellers into the Black Plague, considering he seemed to know it would be bad for the TOWN especially and not for, say, EVERYONE. |
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MatthewV
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject: 426 |
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| Skruffs wrote: |
| MatthewV - why would you try to hurt the town first and give the town benefits later on? Doesn't that make it much much more likely that town will lose easier? Town has to make it to the end to get to the "Good stuff" and by that point the Mafia could have already won. And... how did you know that the "Bad" vs "Good" things would affect town and not mafia? Does that mean that all the plague victims are confirmed town? |
Here are our stops. I guess the pamphlet that came with the tour didn't say much.
The Meteorite that Killed the Dinosaurs, 65.5 mya
Ice Age, 20,000 years ago
Battle of Thermopylae, 480 BC
Pompeii's Mount Vesuvius Eruption, 79 AD
Plague (Black Death), 1349 AD
Chicago Fire, 1871 AD
Global Warming Coastal Flooding, 2100 AD
The Battle of Mars, 4479 AD
Now... which of them sounds good?
The plague deaths are NOT confirmed town. They were random as far as I know.
The end game is much more critical for the town than the start. For that reason good events should come last. |
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AZu
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:24 pm Post subject: 427 |
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| AZu wrote: |
I'll go ahead.
I am the one who killed groza and Amb. Amb's claim of being a one shot vig seemed quite scummy considering the fact that I have no such limitation. |
that means you also killed me, night one.
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Nope. |
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isauteikisa
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:03 pm Post subject: 428 |
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@Skruffs - If we're going to claim, we should all claim. That was more of a call for information to be collected than any support for it.
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Skruffs
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:32 am Post subject: 429 |
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| AZu wrote: |
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I'll go ahead.
I am the one who killed groza and Amb. Amb's claim of being a one shot vig seemed quite scummy considering the fact that I have no such limitation. |
that means you also killed me, night one.
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Nope. |
Interesting. So even though the way Poisonium died n1 was identical to Amb and Groza's deaths, you didn't do the killing.
Which means someone else is killing people the same way you are.
Which means that there is, you might say, a "GROUP" of people all doing the same things to kill people.
Phote: AzU
Not a real vote as votes have long term effects in this game but the intentions are clear. |
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MatthewV
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 5:28 am Post subject: 430 |
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| Courk I humbly request groza528 be prodded. Thank you. |
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Dented Ford
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:05 am Post subject: 431 |
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OK, AZu was top of my suspicion list anyway.
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I'll go ahead.
I am the one who killed groza and Amb. Amb's claim of being a one shot vig seemed quite scummy considering the fact that I have no such limitation. |
So you're actually claiming a town-aligned vig Azu, and not SK?
It strikes me that your reasoning above is backwards. If Courk were to put more than one vig in, then having multiple kills for each would be a problem in balancing and lead to too many deaths too quickly. Plenty of the games I've read have had a one-shot vig, more that I can recall (and I don't promise this as accurate) than have had an unrestricted vig.
Also you say you only vigged groza and Amb, yet we've seen others with the same kill method. As Skruffs points out, this doesn't sit well with the claim of being a solo vig. It does seem more like a scum cover up, especially since you have been quite silent through the game and claimed to have forgotten it, yet you've actually been putting in night-kills. In other words scummy seeming lurking. Your recent calls of suspicion against others seems very knee-jerk and opportunistic as well.
On the other hand, as lurking is scummy seeming and groza hasn't yet mentioned anything, as well as having some FoS, I'm not absolutely convinced. It's a long shot, but groza, having been temporarily dead, did your experience give you any info which may confirm or deny any thoughts about whether you were targetted by scum or by a townie vig? Any other comments as to why you should be targetted?
In the meantime I'll phoney vote like Skruffs, phote: AZu
Suspicion list top three:
1) AZu (at the moment, by a long way)
2) Chuck
3) groza528 |
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Chuck
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:48 pm Post subject: 432 |
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| I think Groza is much more suspicious than me. |
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Dented Ford
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:18 pm Post subject: 433 |
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Well, yeah, 2 & 3 are pretty close - but can anyone point me to the actual specifics of why groza is suspicious more than just the fact that he's already been the object of finger pointing? Even if it's just the same sort of feeling as I have in your case, Chuck. As in, my instincts tell me that you are a scummy seeming lurker who has been trying to stay below the radar, although ready to respond to a prompt from the mod or a comment directed at you to avoid modkill. I am prepared to reverse my opinion if you would just start participating and make some (obviously not scummy) contribution. But your comment just now
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| I think Groza is much more suspicious than me. |
doesn't even tell me that you're seriously defending yourself, you sort of imply that while you want to direct attention to someone else, you're admitting that you do seem worthy of suspicion. |
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Ctuchik
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 4:46 pm Post subject: 434 |
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AZu's and Amb's claim don't go well together. I'm not sure who of them I should believe. In any case we should assign a target for AZu's kill tonight and maybe it's good to lynch a corpse and have AZu kill our suspect.
If someone else die's then we lynch him. |
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groza528
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 5:59 pm Post subject: 435 |
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Sorry all; my free time has been spent working on my Top GLer puzzle (which isn't taking so long to make, so much as to prove the solution). I hadn't even stepped into this thread since the update. Barely been on the GL at all.
Anyway, I'm a Visitor from the Future. I'm a roleblocker. When I went home I discovered that the future had been changed, so every night I reprogram sombody's time machine to prevent them from altering the past, and to try to fix the timeline. Last night I blocked MatthewV (guess that didn't do much good  ) but the night before I blocked AZu, which probably explains why he didn't kill that night.
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| groza, having been temporarily dead, did your experience give you any info which may confirm or deny any thoughts about whether you were targetted by scum or by a townie vig? |
Sorry, I didn't get a thing out of being dead. All I got was a "You're dead" message the night I died, followed by a "What? You're not dead! Why didn't you post yesterday?  " message when I ceased to be dead.
Despite the whole 'Did you kill Skruffs' confusion, I believe that AZu is telling the truth about blowing up Amb and me. It's crazy to claim credit for killing somebody you didn't kill. I think the afore-mentioned Skruffs confusion is probably a matter of forgetting that Poisonium was replaced.
However, I have serious doubts that this is a pro-town role, simply because Ctuchik exists! Ctuchik is essentially cleared, and his role is certainly pro-town. It also seems to exist solely for the purpose of undoing AZu's work. Why would we have a town-aligned role designed to counteract another town-aligned role?
Also, you killed me. Jerk.
vote: Azu |
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alphatango
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:42 pm Post subject: 436 |
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alphatango, if you've got nothing to hide, you should claim now!
The mass claim wasn't triggered by anything in particular, but it works fine to get the game moving again. |
Fair enough. Apologies for not getting back to this thread sooner.
I'm a historian. Essentially a vanilla townie, but if I know the year of an event (that is, wherever we happen to end up), I gain some sort of protection at night. It all happens automatically without any choices from me.
I'm not sure I have much to add to the above posts. AZu was certainly high on my list of potential scum, and I concur in particular with DF's comment (431) that AZu's finger-pointing seems "knee-jerk and opportunistic". Add me to the list of (currently phony) anti-AZu votes.
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Skruffs
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 3:26 am Post subject: 437 |
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Lastly:
aZu, why did you try to kill me last night? |
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Skruffs
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 3:29 am Post subject: 438 |
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| AZu wrote: |
I'll go ahead.
I am the one who killed groza and Amb. Amb's claim of being a one shot vig seemed quite scummy considering the fact that I have no such limitation. |
Also would like to note that AZu did not claim a vig, but rather, someone who does not have a limitation to the number of times they kill. |
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MatthewV
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 5:12 am Post subject: 439 |
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| phote: AZu and alphatango |
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groza528
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:14 am Post subject: 440 |
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