Time Travel Mafia 2 - GAME OVER!

[Courk]

Vote Count:

AZu - 1 - (groza528)

About 1 week left until you have to leave this time.

[AZu]

[Ctuchik]

If you ask me, I think we should lynch Chuck and AZu should kill ChienFou tonight. I will revive Amb and that we let them kill each other!

[Chuck]

That won't actually change my game plan.

[MatthewV]

No. His role seemed too contrived. And if the timeline was revealed (something I could do) then we would have a townie the mafia couldn't kill. Which doesn't really make too much sense to me.

[Skruffs]

Vote: AZu
You have claimed to be the only role that can kill people. Why did you travel back to night 2 to kill Amb, last night, rather than just killling him last night?

[Skruffs]

ACtually one of alphatango and the timeline setter are probably scum (Obviously not both) and AZu has to be scum as well.
My guess is ht etimeline setter is the more likely to be scum.

Which means of course that the order he set is not necessarily the right one.

[groza528]

If MatthewV is scum then we should know by tomorrow, and he must have known that when he made the claim. I think he's telling the truth, at least until we find out when we're going tomorrow.

[AZu]

[isauteikisa]

A warning to all. Considering the lack of votes, and our hard deadline, I'd be wary of anyone voting at the last minute. Mafia has a real chance here to force through a lynch of someone, simply because of the lack of activity.
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[Courk]

Vote Count:

AZu - 2 - (groza528, Skruffs)

Not much of a change, but I doubt I'll be able to do another vote count before the deadline.

[MatthewV]

vote AZu
Even if he is a pro-town killer, I don't see that helping us too much!

[Skruffs]

[isauteikisa]

I don't see how a warning about watching for late vote movements == no lynch. I almost never support no lynch, and certainly don't here. In any event, vote what you think - FoS talk is cheap.

(Note - I'm going under the assumption that the person with the most votes will be lynched right before we leave tomorrow, as a function of the deadline. This is possibly a faulty assumption, but that's what I was basing my late move warning on - if you only need a plurality, it's a potentially viable tactic.)
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[isauteikisa]

Damnit, disregard. My assumption is faulty - I went back and read the day info and we do need a normal number to lynch. Me == idiot, here.

@Skruffs - yeah, you have a point - my earlier reasoning leads to me looking like I don't want a lynch today. Which, in a game where we don't know all the roles or numbers, is about as big a mistake as you can make. We need to lynch before Sunday.
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[Courk]

The day is deadlined. As such, deadline rules are in effect, just like every other deadlined day in this game.

[Ctuchik]

Waaagh! The deadline is tomorrow!
Okay, let's lynch AZu, sorry if you are town, but you're dangerous
Vote: AZu
Should I "revive" Amb?

[Dented Ford]

My phote is on AZu, and remains so. I think he's the most suspicious at the moment, and while a claim of vig is tempting to believe, I don't think it's really genuine - not with a townie aligned win condition, anyway. If things change in the vote count because of some last-minute attempt to twist things by scum, I'm ready with... oh, duh... what's the point in that? vote: AZu

As for Amb, I don't know. I guess it's how you read it, I'm not sure. My gut says the three "extra votes" were uniformed, almost random votes (Lastword2 didn't exactly come up with any reasoning or discussion in the game, did he?) and that he was targetted by scum as a night-kill. I can't see AZu's claim of killing him being really a vig action, not with the other kills we've seen in that manner. But he was already fingered for suspicion, and (OK I know at one point he was voting you Ctuchik) I still trust MattV, who is the main reason I think there might be grounds to keep Amb dead. I believe his claim, and I can only think it's a town-aligned role. So maybe MattV has more thoughts.
In any event, fixing Amb's time machine might be a risky business? If Amb is scum, then we don't want him resurrected anyway. If he's not scum, then presumably you would have to travel to the night he was killed to fix the device - in which case scum know exactly where and when you will be to target you - killing a townie power and keeping Amb dead, potentially a vig who might be able to off one of them at some stage.

[AZu]

[Dented Ford]

Well, I stand to be corrected, but it seemed pretty obvious to me. From any "normal" game of mafia that I've read, if a night-role is active then any target must know where to hit - and as already mentioned by Skruffs in his claim of being a "hider" who can time travel away so as not to be targetted. (Also the manatee mafia I was in also had the role of "Chessie" the manatee who could swim back to wherever (Potomac?) and be untargettable that night. I also got the impression that in this game a target is made on a particular night. If you were (hypothetically) to target Ctuchik "tonight", and he was busy fixing Amb's machine on night 2, then "tonight" Ctuchik would not be there to be your victim. Vice versa, if scum know that Ctuchik is fixing Amb's machine, that would put him on night 2, so they can fix him as a target. That seems pretty obvious to me. I'm guessing you already know that too as you have already gone around time-travelling for your kills. To suggest that one has to be privy to special information to realise this is a bit lame.

[Courk]

As the meteorite approaches earth, you notice oblivious dinosaurs munching on their ferns merrily, and a little furred rodent scampers by.

AZu is hastily strung up as the ChronoTours warning system announces imminent departure.

End of Day Vote Count:

AZu - 5 - (groza528, Skruffs, MatthewV, Ctuchik, Dented Ford)


Choices due Thursday, October 9, at 5 PM EDT.
I'll update the thread title and first post later.

[ChienFou]

bummer, I'd nearly finished perfecting my ancienne cuisine recipe for brazed lizard in fern sauce. It involved immersing the whole thing in an active volcano for a few minutes and i didn't have any sous chefs left willing to try the final tweak. Ah well, perhaps they'll have Italian Coffee machines where we go next. Watch this space for new Saturn 5 recipes too.

[Courk]

Reality 5, Night 1:

A word of advice: It would be within everyone's best interests to end day 1 as soon as possible.

Everyone emerges from their cabins eager to start their tour -- this did cost an awful lot of money. After some fancy technical mumbo-jumbo occured involving the Time Travel Devices you are all wearing, you look around and discover that you're in mid-14th Century Europe! It's 1349 AD and The Plague is running rampant. That's, erm... nice.

You notice two members of the village you're visiting coming up to you. Wait a minute, that seems to be Leonidas, and the other one looks like Irgy! They get weaker and weaker as they draw closer, finally collapsing at your feet -- dead from Plague. But how?

Fantastic trip you've got going.

18 alive, 10 to lynch

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Reality 5, Day 1:

thedragon'sprincess has died by Plague! Now 17 alive, 9 to lynch.

End of Day Vote Count:

Undercover Monk - 8 - (thedragon'sprincess, MatthewV, AZu, Undercover Monk, KradDrol, Ctuchik, groza528, bbbbbbbbba)

hasdgfas - 2 - (ChienFou, Chuck)
Leonidas - 2 - (Amb, Dented Ford)

ChienFou - 1 - (Lastword-2)
groza528 - 1 - (hasdgfas)

Undercover Monk has the most votes at deadline and has been lynched.

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Reality 5, Night 2:

It is now the second day of your tour! It is August 11, 480 BC. On your left you'll notice some Greeks, and on your right quite a bit more Persians. Welcome to Thermopylae! In the ChronoTours gift shop right now is Thermopylaeopoly -- Fun for 3 to 300 players! A perfect souvenir to remember this stop on your tour.

Across the battlefield you notice figures running towards you between the Persian and Greek lines. They almost make it to your location before stray spears hit them. As they lay dying you realize that they were KradDrol and hasdgfas.

Oh... hey... what's that over there? It looks like... yeah, it looks like the blown-up remains of Amb. Apparently a malfunctioning Time Travel Device... Eww...

13 alive, 7 to lynch

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Reality 5, Day 2:

End of Day Vote Count:

bbbbbbbbba - 4 - (The Anti-Nerd, Dented Ford, ChienFou, alphatango)

Kraddrol - 3 - (bbbbbbbbba, MatthewV, AZu)

Ctuchik - 1 - (Skruffs)

And with the most votes at deadline, bbbbbbbbba is lynched.

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Reality 5, Night 3
Ah, tour day 3. Welcome to 1871 Chicago! October is usually cooler than this, but the fire behind you is providing quite a lot of warmth.

12 alive, 7 to lynch

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Reality 5, Day 3:
End of Day Vote Count:

bbbbbbbbba - 7 - (alphatango, ChienFou, Ctuchik, Dented Ford, MatthewV, groza528, isauteikisa)

Amb - 3 - (Anonymous, Anonymous, Anonymous)

Ctuchik - 1 - (Lastword-2)

And with 7 votes reaching majority, you lynch bbbbbbbbba again. "Make sure he's dead!" cries someone from the crowd. Yes, I can assure you, he's dead.

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Reality 5, Night 4

Hasdgfas and Lastword-2 were modkilled during the night. Their generic roles:
hasdgfas was a cop.
Lastword-2 was an extra voter.

Looking around at your new destination, you notice wonderful greenery and ferns everywhere. And - oh! - a lizard. A cute little lizard. And a much, much larger, erm... "lizard" behind it. And Chuck running from the li- Chuck getting smashed by the lizard. And there's also a giant flaming rock falling through the sky.

Welcome to the extinction of the dinosaurs! It is 9 alive, 5 to lynch. This day was auto-deadlined.

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Reality 5, Day 4
End of Day Vote Count:

AZu - 5 - (groza528, Skruffs, MatthewV, Ctuchik, Dented Ford)

With 5 votes, thus reaching majority, AZu is lynched.

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Reality 5, Night 5

After a good night's rest, you awaken in 4479. It's the Battle of Mars. The Martians wanted to form their own separate govenment, yadda yadda, here we are. While this is a very interesting battle to observe, as it was the first to use laser weapons, be sure to also note the architectural details on the buildings and enviro-spheres.

8 alive, 5 to lynch!

[ChienFou]

btw I'm town. No special powers.

[ChienFou]

1. alphatango...historian
2. ChienFou.....vanilla townie
3. Ctuchik......ability to mend travel device
4. Dented Ford..vanilla townie
5. groza528.....visitor from the future
6. isauteikisa..vanilla townie
7. MatthewV.....set time line and now townie
8. Skruffs......Hider; townie
(edited since I screwed up some tags, no change to content)

OK, where do we go from here?

[MatthewV]

We lynch alphatango and/or Ctuchik. I still have trouble believing their roles.

[Dented Ford]

Woah! MattV, really where do you get this idea about Ctuchik from? I thought he was pretty much cleared. What's the suspicion about his claim? You and he were the only ones I really thought were trustworthy. I was going to start out my post "today" sort of like "Well Matt/Ctuchik, what do we do now? Revisiting my suspicion list, AZu lynched and Chuck "smooshed" (does that mean hugged and kissed and loved and squeezed and squished?) by a dinosaur. So groza528 was at the top now, can you give a bit more about the vibe you got from groza?" That was mainly because of your thoughts MattV, but now, well I don't know. I've been thinking that alphatango's claim needs to be tested a bit, but it seemed quite reasonable. (Of course everyone's claim seems reasonable, but it just made sense to me in that it would fit in with your role as itinerary setter.) Ctuchik I was pretty much convinced (to the extent I warned him off putting himself in the firing line by fixing Amb's device) - it that's wrong, then I'm very wrong - I've been mistaken before, but this would be pretty fundamental. I'm starting to get a feeling about ChienFou too - at first I think the lack of input was to some extent due to being away leading bridge tournaments, but... well from time to time there were posts with no real content - comments about coffee and dining really. Now all of a sudden it seems like he's taking an interest in the later stages - almost like he's a scum that's been hiding under the radar, but now has a sniff of setting up an end-game situation for scum to win. That's very suspicious to me too.
But...
mainly...
my confidence at reading the mafia traits has been shaken a lot now. Help me understand, MattV! and Ctuchik - apart from being defensive, which I naturally understand, do you have any ideas as to why MattV should find your claim suspicious?

[groza528]

I noticed something in Chienfou's recap that I hadn't seen before. AT and Skruffs have both essentially claimed vest. Vest claims alone are a tad suspicious because it just screams "no reason to try to kill me," but with two of them claiming fundamentally different vest roles, I suspect one is lying.

[MatthewV]

Considering everything that has happened, I really should believe Ctuchik. I hadn't really thought about the facts of everyone having claimed at this point and not one really conflicting.

alphatango I don't trust, partly because of timing. Part of my role were explained before this claim.

But essentially we are stuck with a bunch of vanilla townies. #@$^!

[alphatango]

I (foolishly) allowed myself to be dragged into an orchestra playing with a choir next weekend -- they sent out a desperate call for string players. Turned up for my first rehearsal today and was one of two violinists. Eep.

Suffice to say that I'll be busy for the next couple of days -- I'll try to get back here as soon as possible and post.
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[Skruffs]

Um, If I used the word "Day" instead of "Night", I apologize. I believe that the fact that nobody was killed the night I purpoted to use the hide indicates that my own claim is based somewhat in truth.

I did not directly infer, or MEAN to infer, that I could not be lynched.

Welcome back though Groza; now I have a question for you.

Azu said he was not the person who "Tried to kill me" the night I purpoted to hide, validating that if he was mafia, I was a target that night I claimed to use my role. Also, I was blown up by his night kill method the original night 1, to be resurrected later.

Are you saying that the time machine blower upper was in fact a vig?

It is my belief, now, that the Time line setter - MatthewV - is almost guaranteed to be scum. The fact that he tried to put town into the 'hardest scenarios' or baddest scenarios for town, first, and better ones later, suggests as much.Similarly, there were no time machine explosions, which means if there is someone who can still do that (unlikely) that they either targetted me two nights before today, or targetted someone else, or decided not to target someone.

That aside, why are you saying that someone who can choose not to be targettable a certain number of times during the game is a 'vest' at all? And even if you wanted to distort my claim to be "Bullet proof townie" - which AGAIN suggests that you know I can avoid being killed, and not just protected, investigated, etc - why would you target MY claim as the most likely to be inaccurate and not the other players? By taking AT's claim as 'legit', that means that he is likely to be a pro-town player who can protect himself if he can correctly guess the time zone we are going into.

However, MatthewV said as part of his claim that he did not want to reveal the time line because there was another player who would 'benefit' from that.

Taking those two roles aside, if you are taking AT as the 'protown' player, why are you NOT looking at MatthewV as the 'antitown' player between the two duel roles?

I'm going to say you are probably scum with MatthewV.

[Skruffs]

Note:
I would be voting but unlike "some people" who either are not worried about the potential of the bad guys massaging the vote count from the future OR is one of hte bad guys who can do that, I am going to refrain from voting until more players have weighed in and it is generally accepted that this is what we want to have happen for the day.

[Ctuchik]

As you might have noticed I didn't repair Amb's device tonight!

alphatango/MatthewV: These roles work well together. One of them sets the timeline and the other one gets a bonus/malus depending on that. However I'm not sure about the alignment of these roles -- it would make sense if they were both town-aligned, but also if either of them was scum.
alphatango, maybe you can explain again how your role works exactly!?

Skruffs: His role makes sense to me. At least if it works at night only. He was blown up already and AZu said it wasn't him, so whoever killed him is either scum ... or dead! We had two town vig claims already, so I think it is more likely that it was the mafia, which would clear him!

ChienFou: Claimed last, was apparently watching the thread and made irrelevant comments. This looks quite scummy to me. It's easy to claim vanilla townie and you were obviously lurking. Also from our three vanilla claims he's the only one not using the word "Tourist"!
ChienFou is my #1 for a lynch today!

groza528: Claims roleblocker, said he blocked AZu on the night where no one's time travel device blew up. This makes sense, but he was one of the last to claim and could have easily made this up.
I think we can prove his role though, if he roleblocks me tonight and I try to repair Amb's device!

[Ctuchik]

[groza528]

[Skruffs]

Actually, you are incorrect.

Didn't AZu take credit for 'going back in time' and blowing Amb's machine up? So while last night nobody was NK'd by time machine, two nights ago AZu killed AMb Even further back in time.

I was killed n1, and wether he had killed Poisonium or not he would remembr that.

I pointed out that the night I hid, there were no ENVIRONMENT based deaths. I think I was targetted by the environment based-death person that night. Which would mean ALL The killing groups have tried to target me so far

[groza528]

I wasn't talking about night 4. Nights 3 and 5 had no explode-kills.

[alphatango]

Have had a quick read, but it looks like I'm going to need to do an in-depth review before I draw any conclusions from recent posts. I thought I should post anyway and address questions and comments directed at me...

I'm not sure, but I think this post was directed at me:

[Dented Ford]

alphatango's does seem to me to be a legitimate role that has been included in the game mechanic to go along with MattV's, rather than something invented. Are they on the same side? Are they enemies? Is one a scum and the other pro-town? These are questions that still need answering though.
I think until recently that I felt MattV was more trustworthy than alphatango, but I didn't really get a scummy feeling about AT. Just that I relied more on MattV to have opinions and suspicions that made sense and worthy of being considered, if not blindly heeded. Now the reversion to turning on Ctuchik and his other target of suspicion being alphatango have really shaken my conviction that MattV is pro-town.
ChienFou has really skyrocketed in my suspicion list though, it's a very scummy looking thing suddenly to cease lurking and there's a few circumstancial indicators that have been mentioned as to why the innocent claim doesn't ring true. FoS ChienFou.
Skruffs I also felt was a town-aligned role before, but there's something very, very fishy with his claim. First

[Skruffs]