Twilight Zone Game Thread (Scum Win!)

[Wall-E]

I have no particular desire to kill TGC. I usually get on a pony and ride it to the night because at the end of the day we ARE a lynch mob.

With nothing else to go on, and though I may not have made it very clear, the only reason I voted TGC at all was the tension between him and Courk and of the two Courk seemed more pro town to me..

I'm not changing from no-lynch. Five pages of rambling and I really just sorta want to see something new happen.
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[Irgy]

Ok, so, an unofficial vote count:

3 Wall-E: Dragon Pheonix, Thok, Irgy
3 No lynch: thedragon'sprincess, Wall-E, Silverfire
2 Courk: The Great Crep'er, Isautekisa
1 Endgame: Krad Drol
1 The Great Crep'er: Courk
1 Krad Drol: Spindrift

My apologies in advance if any of it is wrong. Just wanted to know for my own curiosity, as I'd kind of lost track of who was up to where. I was going to nag UM for one, and then figured I could just go and count it myself rather than nagging

So it's 7-4 of vote for someone vs vote for end-game/no-lynch, but the vote for someone people haven't settled on who. I'm against voting off a claimed vigilante, but otherwise, for all my blabber, I don't really have much to go on really.

[Silverstar]

Official Silverfire-is-Back-From-Montreal Post
I think that with all the suspicious things people have said since I made the argument for a no-scum situation, the likelihood of a no-scum situation has gone down. With so many people under suspicion, some of those suspicions have to be correct, right? (Although on the other hand, you could say that with all this discusion, people are bound to say suspicious things eventually, scum or no scum.) (I need to stop contradicting myself.)

Therefore, I will take my vote off of no lynch, and vote: Wall-E because he misled the town regarding the content of his edited posts, he made post 127, which I find very suspicious, and I know this last reason isn't really fair, but his profanity is getting on my nerves.

[Courk]

[isauteikisa]

unvote: vote: Wall-E

No lynch is almost ALWAYS a bad idea. I'm not inclined to change that opinion for this game. We'll discuss whether we want to call game end after we get more info. Just remember that a lack of a night kill does not necessarily mean that there is no mafia.

I don't think the twist is no mafia. I think we'll learn more tomorrow. Let's get there and see what happens. Day 1 gives you almost no information, and I'd just as soon close it out and see what the night brings.
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[Wall-E]

Alright, I'm the doctor.
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[isauteikisa]

I'll call BS on Wall-E's claim.
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[Wall-E]

To be clear: Are you making a counter-claim or just saying you don't think I'm being truthful?
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[Wall-E]

You made that sound like "Well I guess one of us has to do it, so I'll call BS on Wall-E's claim." Keyword being us. The only people with teammates are the scum.

I would have said "I call BS on Wall-E's claim."

From the post I know that he/she is mafia, so people please consider the context of the post isauteikisa has made. To my knowledge there has been no chances for scries, meaning one of the two of us is scum. I strongly suggest that if I am lynched, he/she is also lynched or vig'd.

If you look at post 127 my plan should be obvious: I had planned to protect Courk tonight, possibly screwing the mafia out of a night kill.
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[isauteikisa]

"I" versus "I'll" is pretty shaky ground for calling someone scum, Wall-E. (Also, ''''.) Your posts and your reasoning sound like scum trying to shake the bandwagon off of them. My original lynch vote on you was done to move the game to a night phase and a second day, where we'd have more information. But I'm more and more thinking we might just hit scum day 1.

You're right on there being no known opportunities for checks. Which means I would have no way to check your role, right? Doesn't remove my feeling that your claim is complete and utter bull.

I've stated earlier that I still hold that no lynch is a very bad idea. And ending the game with as little information as we have seems bad as well. So someone has to die, and it might as well be you.

If you think I'm scum, then back it up with a vote. I think you're scum now, and I have no reason to move my vote off of it.
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[Courk]

But you wanted me to kill you! That makes no sense at all. I don't see how it'd be beneficial. Yes, presumably I'd get another night to target someone, but I would have wasted my first night killing the doctor. I'll call BS as well.

One more is lynch. I'd vote you right now if not for that. As it is, I'd like to hear a little bit more discussion on your claim.

[Wall-E]

I'm scummy now for trying not to die?

I'm the doctor. You need me.

And Courk, I meant that letting me live would let me protect you in case you really were the vig. Remember: I said all that before outing myself doctor. On the off chance they did target you I'd have protected you, meaning they lost a kill opportunity VS you kill me AND they kill you.

Now that they know I'm the doctor the whole plan is obviously ruined. I was just pointing out that the post that raised all this suspicion (in which I told everyone that I'd out myself if properly bandwagon'd) makes sense with what I said at the time.
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[Wall-E]

To reiterate: When I had three votes on me and sensed that the mob was turning against me I pleaded with the mob to lynch another person or vote no lynch. I did this so that I could protect the vig one night hoping that the mafia would target him and my power would save him once.
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[Thok]

Sigh. unvote Wall-E, to give a little breathing room. My vote may go back on, but his plan was consistent with him either being a doctor or unnightkillable. It's also consistent with what seems to be fairly newbie play from him so far.

Pro-Tip for Wall-E: You are vastly overestimating the importance of power roles.

[Courk]

I don't understand how out-right saying "Courk, kill me tonight" would make sense for a doctor to say. Unnightkillable, yes, but not a doctor. A doctor would not encourage me to kill him tonight.

[Wall-E]

This game is REALLY different when words stick around... I usually don't have this hard a time convincing people I'm not scummy when I'm really not. I'm probably just a bad liar face-to-face, but on the internet you can't tell when I'm being sincere...

I take it back. Online mafia is just as scary as irl mafia, it's just long-term scary.

And Courk: I told you to kill me when I had a bandwagon starting on me. It was a way of saying "Rather than lynch me, nightkill me and I'll be able to use my power once."

I don't know how I can make that concept more plain.
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[Irgy]

*Sigh*

I was looking forward to, you know, maybe moving on to day two or something. Maybe finding out what sort of story Undercover Monk has in store for us, stuff like that.

But frankly, I really do believe Wall-E's story. His earlier behavior (particularly the post editing) contradicts any theory that he's been brilliantly playing the fool all along. And his doctor story really does hold together too well too have been faked at the last minute - if it's faked, then he's been planning it since he asked about what happened if the Vig was targetted. So for him to be scum, there has to be a sudden transition between playing very badly and playing brilliantly well (with an overlap in time between the two), and frankly I just don't believe it.

Unvote

We're back to square 1 though really. I don't want to vote for anyone in particular now, and I don't want to vote no lynch either. I'm back to pondering who has been acting suspiciously so far, and just hoping that having revealed this many roles this early on hasn't totally wiped our chances of winning.

[Courk]

[Dragon Phoenix]

I don't buy the claim.

Claiming doctor is a common scum tactic, to try to get the real doc to counterclaim. "You need me"? Bullocks. If you are the doc after all, you're dead after the coming night.

Vote stays.
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[The Great Crep'er]

[Wall-E]

1. Reading the rules before you make posts

>I did. I'm not a learn-by-reading kinda guy. When I sit down with friends to play a new boardgame I always insist we dive right in and play. I may have been cocky because I've played mafia many times before, but that's unrelated to my problem with rules retention.

2. Not basing your votes on shaky reasons

>That's all we've got, so this is a strawman.

3. Not letting the mafia on to some inside info that you seemed to know.

>Another strawman. I revealed exactly what I had to in my opinion. There's no such thing as being an expert at mafia, and there is no "right" move.

4. That if you honestly wanted me lynched, just to find certain arguments
to make me look like a lynch-worthy canidate. And not just saying 'Oh I ate some bad clams and right now things are sitting right with him'.

>What?

As for the rest of your post... let me see if I have it right. You claim that the mafia decided to fake vig claim, then fake Doctor claim, on day one, to draw out the real doctor?

Wow that's some clever wolfin'. Not.
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[spindrift]

my computer has crashed I most likely will not be on until monday. I will look over the thread then.

[Silverfire]

I agree with Irgy: I'd really been hoping that Wall-E wouldn't have a good defense, so we could lynch him and move this game forward, but, unfortunately, he does, and we should go find a better target. No one has counterclaimed him, and his rationale behind saying 'target me tonight' makes some sense (not that I would have done that, but I can see how someone else would have).

So, we're back to finding another target.

1. KradDrol- Where is he? I think he has made two posts in this game, one aruing for endgame and the other making a reasonable defense of it.

2. isauteikisa- After another re-read of the thread, isauteikisa seems to be playing like a smart scum, putting just a little more pressure on those people in danger of lynching, posting enough not to be a lurker, but otherwise contributing very little. EXCEPT, and this is one big 'except,' he argued strongly against endgame and no lynch, both of which would have helped scum, if there were any. So I think he's probably just a townie who doesn't check the thread very often or doesn't have much to say.

3. Silverfire- I find this person highly unsuspicious. She can't possibly be working against the town.

4. Wall-E- See above.

5. Courk- I belive Courk. Claiming a major power role without a name would be a stupid move for a mafioso.

6. MNOWAX / thedragon'sprincess- It seems to me that MNOWAX loows suspicious no matter what he does, and due to lack of posts, I can't really form an opinion on tdp.

I'll cover the rest later.

Oh, and I'm really sorry about posting in Silverstar's account. That was me, so you can hold me accountable for anything in post 163.

Also, unvote.

[Wall-E]

I feel stupid for asking this but... how does a no-lynch help the scum?
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[Irgy]

[Undercover Monk]

Official Up-To-Date Vote-Count

3 Wall-E: Dragon Pheonix, The Great Crep'er, isautekisa
2 No Lynch: thedragon'sprincess, Wall-E
1 Endgame: Krad Drol
1 The Creat Crep'er: Courk
1 Krad Drol: Spindrift

Not Voting: Thok, Irgy, Silverfire

6 to lynch
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[The Great Crep'er]

Lol, DP it's my name, and I'm fine with it, Monk is not the first one to misspell it FYI.
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[Courk]

Can I call you Dragoon Fenicks?

[The Great Crep'er]

So long as he can call you cOrkl.
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[spindrift]

[Wall-E]

At the time I rolevealed I was L-4.
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[The Great Crep'er]

[The Great Crep'er]

Oh wait, I think Wall-E got this confused, were you trying to say L-2? As in already having 4 votes?

[Wall-E]

Yes, that is what I meant to convey.
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[spindrift]

Ah.... damn counting

[Wall-E]

I did not miscount, I misinterpreted and then misused the vernacular.

I assume that L-X means "votes Left - X"?
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[Silverfire]

It means "Lynch [number] minus X." The dash is a minus sign.

[Wall-E]

Thanks.
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[spindrift]

I miscounted lol