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Did you like the endgame mechanic?
Yes I loved it and hope to see it in future games
14%
 14%  [ 1 ]
Yes, but it need some adjusting
28%
 28%  [ 2 ]
No I thought it was dumb and detracted from the game
57%
 57%  [ 4 ]
Total Votes : 7

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Courk
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:36 am    Post subject: 241 Reply with quote

I'm a bit at a loss. More and more it seems there are no mafia, and I'm now forced to kill at night anyway. The way my role changed just seems like a mod not realizing a hole in their design and retroactively changing it to fix the problem. To me it seems I was intended to be the only one doing the killing, but was mistakenly not forced to originally.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:38 am    Post subject: 242 Reply with quote

Feh. I think it's in town's best interest to know this: The mod sent me a PM that implied was I was targetted for a night kill last night. (It's possible I may be misinterpretting that role PM.)
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Dragon Phoenix
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:19 am    Post subject: 243 Reply with quote

Courk: can you kill yourself?
Thok: can you elaborate more about the possible misinterpretation?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:46 am    Post subject: 244 Reply with quote

Dragon Phoenix wrote:
Courk: can you kill yourself?
Thok: can you elaborate more about the possible misinterpretation?


Mainly, the issue is that the PM I got only suggested I was in danger, but didn't have much in the way of specifics.
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Courk
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:25 am    Post subject: 245 Reply with quote

Dragon Phoenix wrote:
Courk: can you kill yourself?

No, but the way everything's worded, I don't think it's that any method I use would fail, but more of a "Invalid choice, please try again" type of thing.
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Dragon Phoenix
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:11 pm    Post subject: 246 Reply with quote

OK, let me come out in the open then. I had a reason to ask Thok: I investigated him last night (mainly because he is one of the players I find difficult to get nay readin on) and got a guilty - so a msg by the mod that he is in danger fits. I do not believe for one moment that Thok is mafia after his recent posts, so that makes me an insane or paranoid cop. That also implies usually a few cops in the mix. We have 11 players, have a vig, 2 docs (likely), a couple of cops.. I don't believe we have a mafia to compensate for this overpowered town.

I support ending the game.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:41 pm    Post subject: 247 Reply with quote

For what it's worth, the official reason I'm now forced to kill is because Wall-E died. That doesn't really make sense to me, and, as I said before, it still feels like a retroactive hole-plug.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:27 pm    Post subject: 248 Reply with quote

Ok, it seems like we have a vig who is forced to kill, and possibly a paranoid cop. The people who have looked the most suspicious (to me) have either opposed endgame, implying they're not mafia (isauteisika and spindrift), or have been shown to be town (Wall-E). The one nightkill that we have had was by our vig. Also, I was told last night that I have become a paranoid townie with two votes. Add to that a plausible basis for a no-mafia situation (The Monsters are due on Maple Street), and a setup that allows this, and it all leads to the conclusion that there are, in fact, no mafia, and that an endgame vote is the correct course for the town.

That's my opinion, anyway. I will vote for endgame if people support the idea.[/b]
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Silverfire
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:28 pm    Post subject: 249 Reply with quote

Oops about the dangling bold tag.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:17 am    Post subject: 250 Reply with quote

Oh well. I'm pissed at Courk (You didn't HAVE to kill someone, not exactly a requirement) and I just hope the town comes out with a win.

Feh. Sign up for Memory Mafia everyone! Extreme Delectation
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:19 am    Post subject: 251 Reply with quote

The Great Crep'er wrote:
(You didn't HAVE to kill someone, not exactly a requirement)


Well at least not previously.

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go tow!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:26 am    Post subject: 252 Reply with quote

hmm this game seems to play into there being no mafia, with the paranoid cop, and a vig who has to kill every night. However I think that UM set this game up to make us question if this was a real game so I think we should lynch someone.
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Courk
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:48 am    Post subject: 253 Reply with quote

Silverfire wrote:
Also, I was told last night that I have become a paranoid townie with two votes.


That's what happened to me, except vig/have to kill! The people in "Monsters..." were all paranoid, too.

Vote: End Game
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Dragon Phoenix
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:06 am    Post subject: 254 Reply with quote

Vote: End Game
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Silverfire
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:40 pm    Post subject: 255 Reply with quote

Vote: End game
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:32 am    Post subject: 256 Reply with quote

Vote Courk For trying to end the game early in a game that is meant to generate town confusion and hysteria.
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Undercover Monk
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:49 pm    Post subject: 257 Reply with quote

Vote Count

4 Endgame: Courk, Dragon Phoenix, Silverfire
1 Isautekisa: thedragon'sprincess
1 Irgy: Thok
1 Courk: Spindrift

Not Voting: Irgy, Isautekisa, Krad Drol

With 9 left it takes 5 to lynch or endgeme
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 1:59 am    Post subject: 258 Reply with quote

Waves hi. (Note this is partially an "I can't win by ending the game" post.)

If we are going to go to end game (and I'm not sure we should), could we maybe do a mass claim first so we have the maximum amount of info to decide whether we end game or not.
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spindrift
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:22 am    Post subject: 259 Reply with quote

I agree with thok.
Also isn't it 3 Endgame ?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:18 am    Post subject: 260 Reply with quote

spindrift wrote:
I agree with thok.
Also isn't it 3 Endgame ?


Silverfire claims he got a double vote last night.
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Courk
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 1:36 pm    Post subject: 261 Reply with quote

Thok wrote:
(Note this is partially an "I can't win by ending the game" post.)


Umm... why can't you win by ending the game?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:58 pm    Post subject: 262 Reply with quote

Courk wrote:
Thok wrote:
(Note this is partially an "I can't win by ending the game" post.)


Umm... why can't you win by ending the game?
'

If I was scum, I'd have a guaranteed win by voting end game. As town, I've got only a probability of winning by voting end game. My post (and similarly spindrift's) rules out the probability of the guaranteed win for me.
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Courk
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:08 am    Post subject: 263 Reply with quote

Oh, so it's "I might not win by ending the game"
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Silverfire
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:04 am    Post subject: 264 Reply with quote

I like Thok's idea.
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Dice Roll:
Original Roll String: 1d11
1 11-Sided Dice Results: 9
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:08 am    Post subject: 265 Reply with quote

Could we have prods on everybody but me, Courk, Dragon Phoenix, spindrift and silverfire?
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Irgy
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:49 pm    Post subject: 266 Reply with quote

Well, I'm back. I checked on a couple of times while I was away, but I haven't had much to say.

Just a few thoughts at this point:
- Isautekisa: Who did you protect last night (and why)? Thok claims he may have been the target of a failed attack, it would be good to know whether his story matches yours.
- The only difference between a Vigilante and a Serial Killer is the win condition, particularly if the kill is compulsory. Courk is definately one of the two anyway.
- We don't seem to have any evidence of there being scum, other than Thok's claim.
- Silverfire's multiple vote has been as good as confirmed by the mod as far as I can tell.
- Thok requested a mass role claim before we vote end game. I can't help a great deal there, because I'm just Vanilla and have no powers. Although I guess that's a claim of sorts.
- Silverfire: What was your dice roll for? I didn't understand it. Are you rolling for who should claim first?
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isauteikisa
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:32 pm    Post subject: 267 Reply with quote

@Irgy - I protected Courk. As we killed the other doc last round, I wanted to protect the claimed vig from a mafia NK. I was thinking that if there were scum around, I might get killed, and keeping the plan that was talked about was as good of an idea as I could come up with.

We've got a few claims out there, don't we?

Me == doc (claim)
Wall-E == doc (deceased, proven)
TGC == townie (deceased, proven)
Irgy == townie (claim)
Courk == vig (claim)
Silverfire == doublevote? (claim?)
Thok == ??? (aware of danger claim)
DP == paranoid? cop (claim)

Claim up, people. Give us info Cannibal
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isauteikisa
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:34 pm    Post subject: 268 Reply with quote

Oh, and according to the numbers on page 1, 9 (DP) has already claimed. So... (first attempt at dice, don't kill me over it Cannibal)

Dice Roll:
Original Roll String: d10
10-Sided Dice Results: 2


see if this gives us any more luck.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:29 pm    Post subject: 269 Reply with quote

isauteikisa wrote:
@Irgy - I protected Courk. As we killed the other doc last round, I wanted to protect the claimed vig from a mafia NK. I was thinking that if there were scum around, I might get killed, and keeping the plan that was talked about was as good of an idea as I could come up with.


That sounds perfectly sensible to me. The reason I asked was that it doesn't match with Thok's interpretation of his claimed night message. Unless there's three docs (and surely the third would have spoken up by now), how could a night attack on him have failed?

There seems to be overall reasonably good evidence that he's not scum making up some kind of bizzare, clever story. Which means the message has probably been misinterpreted.

As for the dice roll, 2 is you isauteikisa, so you should roll again. There's only three people we haven't heard from though really (thedragon'sprincess, Spindrift and Krad Drol), plus Thok who hasn't really claimed yet. I haven't heard much from Krad Drol for a while either.
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Courk
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:58 am    Post subject: 270 Reply with quote

I thought the current theory behind Thok's warning was that, since DP checked him and got guilty, Thok would be in a bit of danger come morning.
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Thok
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:35 am    Post subject: 271 Reply with quote

Courk wrote:
I thought the current theory behind Thok's warning was that, since DP checked him and got guilty, Thok would be in a bit of danger come morning.


That's DP's theory, and not necessarily mine. (The short version is that my role is really weird. I blame Undercover Monk.)
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Silverfire
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:01 pm    Post subject: 272 Reply with quote

Thok wrote:

Silverfire claims he she got a double vote last night.


My double vote which I recieved last night is my only power. Other than that I am a vanilla townie.

isauteikisa wrote:
Me [isauteikisa] == doc (claim)
Wall-E == doc (deceased, proven)
TGC == townie (deceased, proven)
Irgy == townie (claim)
Courk == vig (claim)
Silverfire == doublevote? (claim?)
Thok == ??? (aware of danger claim)
DP == paranoid? cop (claim)


The only active player we haven't heard a claim from is spindrift (and possibly Thok; he just claimed "my role is really weird"). I would like prods/replacements for thedragon'sprincess and KradDrol.
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isauteikisa
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 7:48 pm    Post subject: 273 Reply with quote

I also find it odd that Thok put forward the mass claim idea, but did not claim himself. Thok, what are ya?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 7:49 pm    Post subject: 274 Reply with quote

Er... didn't read fully before replying. Still, a more full explanation of what you do would be helpful.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:45 pm    Post subject: 275 Reply with quote

isauteikisa wrote:
I also find it odd that Thok put forward the mass claim idea, but did not claim himself. Thok, what are ya?


Since I have the whole "I didn't end the game when it would be a guaranteed win for scum" thing going for me, there's good reason for me to claim after thedragonsprincess/Krad Drol. (I literally don't care which order spindrift and I claim in.) Generally people who are more likely to be scum should claim before people who are less likely to be scum, as it gives them less of a chance to fake-claim.

(Don't worry, I will claim once thedragonsprincess and Krad Drol claim.)
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isauteikisa
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:41 am    Post subject: 276 Reply with quote

Of course, you waiting to claim grants you the same inbalance in information. Not pointing too many fingers here, just noting what my paranoia tells me.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 2:12 am    Post subject: 277 Reply with quote

isauteikisa wrote:
Of course, you waiting to claim grants you the same inbalance in information. Not pointing too many fingers here, just noting what my paranoia tells me.


Which is why I pointed out why other information suggests which people should get the benefit of the imbalance.

Having been in this situation several times before (with me making the request to wait to claim when there was evidence that suggested I should be the person to wait to claim), I'm not particularly suspicious of a person being paranoid about my request. There's always somebody who's paranoid.
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Courk
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:24 am    Post subject: 278 Reply with quote

thedragon'sprincess seems to be around, just not here (last post Aug 1)

KradDrol is MIA, last post June 27 or so. Can KradDrol at least be replaced?
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Undercover Monk
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 8:12 am    Post subject: 279 Reply with quote

I already have a replacement request up for Krad I try to find tdp
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:07 am    Post subject: 280 Reply with quote

Umm you guys still playing...I guess I have to threaten a deadline. I may have found a replacement. and will prod tdp but if posting does not increase in the next few days I will deadline the game.
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