Jesus defeats Hitler

[Lepton]

One of history's most famous Jews against one of history's most famous anti-Semites.

Jesus of Nazareth (7–2 BC/BCE to 26–36 AD/CE), also known as Jesus Christ, is the central figure of Christianity and is revered by most Christians as the incarnation of God.

Adolf Hitler (20 April 1889 – 30 April 1945) was an Austrian-born German politician who led the National Socialist German Workers Party, more commonly known as the Nazi Party.

[Duke Gnome]

This is certainly going to be the weakest matchup of the entire tournament in my opiinion. I voted Jesus as although he was a liar or a madman he's not quite at the bottom of the barrel. The only potentially worse matchup could be if Hitler wins and meets Teresa later.

[Scurra]

...but at least Jesus didn't invade Poland.

I agree that this is probably the weakest match-up; I think it's fair to say that the interesting part was the simple fact that Hitler got enough support to make it this far.
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[Dented Ford]

well, by the (IMHO not really appropriate) criterion of having a historic impact that affected large numbers of people, Hitler might well have stood against some other first round competitors. Even if you allow that definition of greatness for Hitler to apply to Jesus as well, it's pretty obvious Jesus burns him. To a crisp.

[Coyote]

Well to be fair, Jesus had about a nineteen-hundred year headstart.

[MTGAP]

[Duke Gnome]

[AZu]

Do those voting Hitler believe he has had a greater impact on civilization than Jesus? Or is it due to skepticism concerning his existence? Honest question.

(Or is someone, as Duke Gnome pointed out, playing around with the poll?)

[Undercover Monk]

Multiple accounts are not cool. But it could some people just dont care.
This kinda of stuff pisses me off. No Hitler-ites have spoken up. Show your self cowards.
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[Aga*]

Impact!
Hitler changed the entire world history in less than ten years.
That Jesus fellow is still plodding.

Hitler had a dapper defined moustache.
Jesus went for the unkempt hippy look.

Hitler only had one ball.
Jesus never used his.

[MTGAP]

[worm]

i'm not surprised that some people might choose hitler, but i think UM's probably correct about shenanigans. there were 6 accounts created on Aug. 10 and one on the 11th (about the time hitler caught up), and none of those "users" have posted, yet

[MatthewV]

I have not voted but I must agree with the multi-vote. This poll has a total of 40 votes which is very high for the GL.

[Scurra]

[Undercover Monk]

Uh Jesus did exist historical evidence proves a Jesus from Nazareth was crucified and buried. Even if you dont believe in his godship his person is verifyable. (I dont think I spelled that right.)

And like Ive said before if this was greatest impact you could definately a case but this is greatest person not impact morality plays an impact.


Also just cause some of us believe in miricles you sexy thing doesnt make us deluded. or naive.

And if your doing multi-accounts it really makes this no fun. Washington and Napolean is turning into a great debate because it the labyrinth members are giving their opinions in a civilized manner. Some of you either have a grudge against christianity or are just looking to be troublemakers. i had hoped we could have a mature , reasonable look at how "great" Jesus is but its like I said before this tournament started religion tends to inspire the best and worst of us.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Antrax]

I was approached by Lepton about the possibility of checking whether this poll is Kosher. I can easily retrieve a list of names of those people who voted (though not who they voted for). I am currently unsure if this is something that should be done - IMO the best solution might be that Lepton asks people to PM him their vote and tally that. Feel free to provide feedback about this, either here or in private.
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[Zag]

I think that getting a list of the names of people who voted is very reasonable. If someone has stuffed the ballot box, it will probably be obvious from that list. If you're concerned about embarrassing someone who did -- well, he SHOULD be embarrassed. If someone is about to be embarrassed, he should step forward now and claim that it was just a joke gone awry.

[AZu]

I don't think that PMing votes would work. People would not notice, forget, not bother.

Checking the votes seems ok to me. But I am not sure you should out whoever (if that is in fact the case) stuffed the ballot box. Telling him off privately and putting him on probation seems enough.

[Zag]

I am curious why you consider expecting people to be accountable for their actions is too harsh a penalty.

By the way, I meant to finish the last sentence of my previous note with "which it may well have been."

[groza528]

I'm not even sure Antrax *could* tell us who the culprit is-- as a moderator, I need a post to check an IP. Unless there's something I don't know about or the minotaur's have an additional IP-checking power (maybe they can check the registration record), I think the most we could hope to see is "Yep, all these new users who signed up at the same time have voted in this poll."

[Chuck]

If Jesus existed and was a human being then he couldn't have done all of the things that are attributed to him. People must have made up a lot of those stories. Did Jesus actually do very many, or any at all, of thing things the bible says he did? Ruling out the impossible doesn't mean the rest can be taken as absolute truth just because they could have happened. Since people made up some of the things he was supposed to have done, aren't all of those stories questionable? So who had the impact on history, Jesus or the storytellers? Would those stories not have been told if Jesus had never lived or would they have been told about someone else? If those stories would have been made up anyway then Jesus had little impact.

[groza528]

[Chuck]

What does it mean for God to receive divine help? From who? Himself? Humans don't have the power to give divine help.

[groza528]

I don't understand the question, given that the initial condition was "If Jesus existed and was a human being." Are you arguing that he's human or God? I'd say both, but clearly if you believed that you wouldn't doubt that he could do what was attributed to him.

[Chuck]

If Christian mythology is true the Jesus was God in human form so he was more than just a human being. If it's not true then he couldn't have performed miracles.

[Zag]

[Chuck]

It's obvious that a great deal was made up about Jesus. How do we know that the people who made up his miracles didn't also make up his sermons, and that those people wouldn't have simply attributed them to someone else if they'd never heard of Jesus?

[Zag]

[Chuck]

I thought lots of people contributed to the Jesus mythology. There might not be any one person who could be called the greatest human for poll purposes.

[MTGAP]

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