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sAbLLimINal · Daedalian Member

Wait a minute, Snicklac16 was killed, but he was a mason which could mean that he mismasoned, which could mean that there is no killer.

This makes sense because the killer and mafia could joint win, but nobody has done that, which makes me to believe there is no killer.

I still believe Lamont is scum.

Lamont_Cranston · Daedalian Member

Well, excellent analysis post (I mean the fact you posted it far more than the content Wink

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So you're saying that me & Courk are scum buddies? Well I can understand that... I definitely see Courk as pro-town and have supported her as such throughout the game.

The following people are cleared town: Loki & MNO

That leaves the following people as potential scum: Courk, ~~Creative~~Sab, Zag, Lamont

Now, ~~Creative~~Sab has done nothing this whole game but lurk except for D1. On D1 he: Voted Wall_E (town) & voted MNO (town). After this he just drops off the radar. Now the question is, who is his scum buddy?

This leaves Courk or Zag...

I'm definitely leaning Zag but I am conflicted because of MNO's read on Zag and his respoonse when "claimed" scum by MNO...

I think a ~~Creative~~Sab lynch will clear this up... Almost Fonz Cool

Vote ~~Creative~~Sab
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Courk · Daedalian Member

sAbLLimINal · Daedalian Member

Lamont, I'm replacing loki, not creative.

mismason is when the mason choose to mason someone, but they are killed because they picked scum.

Courk · Daedalian Member

I see.

It's possible the masonry could recruit, but the two masons we have are paired together in the book. It'd be quite a coincidence if one just happened to recruit the other. Plus, this is a small game. I think a recruiting masonry would be too powerful.

Lamont_Cranston · Daedalian Member

Oh crap. Sorry. Working too hard, sleeping too much.

Unvote

I will wait to hear from Creative.
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Lamont_Cranston · Daedalian Member

Lamont_Cranston · Daedalian Member

Ok, so ~~Loki~~Sab & MNO are cleared.

That leaves Courk, Creative, Zag

I'm going to vote Creative until I hear from him.

Vote Creative
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Zag · Tired of his old title

Hi all,

I tried, I really tried, just to stay quiet, since I mostly seem to put my foot in it when I speak my mind, but it isn't in me. Revenge most foul!

First off, I want to say that I'm over my little snit with MNO. Sorry, MNO, I didn't take it well when I felt so jerked around. But I do have a question re post #246. If you DID feel that way, why did you choose me to make your accusation against? I don't get it.

I would like, for a moment, to mention the elephant in the room: the double kill last night. I know that MNO's theory is that it means that there is a vig or SK, plus a mafia roleblocker who blocked that person on the first night. If that's the case, then doesn't it mean that all the mafia know who the vig/SK is, because they know whom they blocked on the first night? (Or does only the one roleblocker get to know whom he/she blocked?) So the other townies are the only one who don't know the identity. I guess also that it is only the player himself knows which, vig or SK, he is. (... or she -- it might be you, Courk!)

I have figured out one thing. By doing stupid stuff and appearing scummy, off and on through the game, I have kept the mafia from killing me. I'm bound to get myself lynched all on my own, soon enough! Here's hoping it isn't tonight! Extreme Delectation

I don't THINK I've done anything to arouse suspicion in this note, but I've thought that before and been wrong.

Zag · Tired of his old title

Wow! Five notes simulposted with that one.

sAb, you shouldn't be surprised that Lamont got confused about whom you were replacing, he didn't even know that HE was the one to replace Wall-E (see post 135).

Zag · Tired of his old title

MNOWAX · 0.999... of a Troll

Zag - if i made an accusation on scum the scum wouldn't have blindly followed the lynch. the scum need a townie to lynch to win. I figured you were a townie, and the scum would follow into the trap
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Courk · Daedalian Member

One thing about the roleblocked on the first night = vig/SK is that a vig didn't necessarily try to kill anyone night 1. In fact, it'd be rather stupid for a vig to do so. The roleblocker could block townie A, leaving vig B alone, with vig B choosing not to kill anyone.

Zag · Tired of his old title

Thanks, MNO. But I assume you saw my simulpost.

Also, thanks, Courk. I realize that I had even thought of that before, but then forgot it. That makes me feel better, though I have no idea why.

Lamont_Cranston · Daedalian Member

sAbLLimINal · Daedalian Member

If there is a vig in the game, the best strategy is to not shoot night 1 and only shoot when they are sure that person is scum. That is, of course, if the vig has the option to not shoot.

Lamont_Cranston · Daedalian Member

Courk · Daedalian Member

Courk · Daedalian Member

Meant to add that those figures are heavily rounded just to give the general idea, since more precise figures require knowing how many mafia there are and how many people were alive going into night 1 -- something I'm a bit too lazy to do right now.

Lamont_Cranston · Daedalian Member

MNOWAX · 0.999... of a Troll

heres the deal if you believe that I am a cop lamont, then you MUST believe that there is a roleblocker, because i was definitely blocked last night

it isnt all that complicated actually, lamont, i think youre just posting to stay active, while not actually posting anything. SCUM RADAR GOING OFF EVEN MORE!

Confirm Vote: lamont
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Lamont_Cranston · Daedalian Member

Look here MNO, I believe your claim. Its Courk that is bringing up the lack of a roleblocker not me. I'm only asking her to explain her theory.
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Courk · Daedalian Member

I am not trying to say there isn't a roleblocker, I'm just saying the roleblocker didn't necessarily target a killer on night 1.

FOS: Lamont

This feels like you're trying to spin something against me, saying I think there's no roleblocker when I've said no such thing, much like Zag did.

Lamont_Cranston · Daedalian Member

Well, with that out of the way, what is your point? I'm still trying to figure out what you are trying to say... Confused

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Courk · Daedalian Member

Imagine this is the set-up:

Player A - maf
Player B - maf & roleblocker
Player C - vig/SK
Player D - townie
Player E - townie
Player F - townie
Player G - townie
Player H - townie
Player I - townie
Player J - townie

MNOWAX is saying that since no one extra died on night 1, we know the roleblocker blocked the person with the extra kill.

He's saying that:
A targeted D
B blocked C
C targeted E, but was unsuccessful due to being blocked

What I'm saying is that since a vig, if given the option, would not target anyone night 1, it's also possible that:

A targeted D
B blocked E
C targeted no one

Which means the blocker did NOT necessarily block the person with the extra kill.

sAbLLimINal · Daedalian Member

Unless I bring up the mismason theory again and say that there is no vig and the masons recruited wrong. I'm fairly sure there isn't a SK or else this game would be over.

MNOWAX · 0.999... of a Troll

ok i gotcha courk

my issue is lamont. has been since this day started. hes scum.

lynch his ass.
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Zag · Tired of his old title

Honestly, I think this whole mismason theory is hogwash. Masons that recruit sound like overkill for a game this small. Also, the mason died on the first night, so he wouldn't have had a chance to recruit, would he?

More and more, I find Courk's insistence on her "vig chose not to kill on night 1" rather suspicious. Not that the theory doesn't seem plausible, it does, it's just that she is pushing it so freaking hard that it seems like she is hiding something. It seems to me that, considering how much thought she has given it, her NOT mentioning the other possible explanations* is suspicious. It seems to me that she is pushing this one so hard for a reason.

And anyway, she's currently voting for me, so I don't see much downside of ticking her off. Enthusiastic Grin

vote: Courk

* There are two other possible explanations that Courk hasn't bothered to mention:
1. Poisonium died on night 1 at the hands of the SK / vig, and the mafia kill was blocked by a doctor.
2. The SK / vig and the mafia BOTH attacked poor Poisonium, making him twice as dead.

If #1 is true, then the mafia know that we have a doctor, which would explain MNO surviving the night last night. On the other hand, they might just fear that we have a doctor, but not actually know.

Zag · Tired of his old title

Zag · Tired of his old title

Crud, can't edit.

When I said "that's the whole of my FoS list," I meant including the post before that one.

sAbLLimINal · Daedalian Member

sAbLLimINal · Daedalian Member

gah, I'm sorry Zag, i misread your post and repeated exactly what you said. But yeah, I still find that really unlikely.

MNOWAX · 0.999... of a Troll

Lamont_Cranston · Daedalian Member

Lamont_Cranston · Daedalian Member

Btw, there is no way that Courk is the correct lynch here. We should focus on who her scum buddy might be.
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Zag · Tired of his old title

Courk · Daedalian Member

I'm not pressing the it-could-be-a-blocked-townie-with-a-vig-that-chose-not-to-kill thing. Lamont kept not getting it, so I had to keep repeating it so he could understand.

The only point I was trying to get across was that the roleblocker didn't necessarily block the second killer. And that was mostly in response to MNOWAX.

The fact that Lamont is the one who kept making me repeat myself, and that Zag then spun that into me being "insistent" makes me think they're scum buddies. unvote: zag, vote: lamont

Zag · Tired of his old title

Baah. This is just a ploy to get some distance between the two of you, trusting that I'd be afraid the be the hammer once again, and hoping that shadowfox will be AWOL long enough that someone else will retract their vote

But screw that -- your ploy doesn't work! This is my chance to redeem myself for the first-day lynching, and be the hero once again! (or else to be the complete goat and hand the win over to the mafia, but I don't think so, anymore).

Vote: Lamont That's 4

Poisonium · annoyed by the old

Undercover Monk · Professor Chaos

Day 3

Well the third day of our ordeal started out with a bang as MNOWAX accused Zag of being a rat. But it seemed this was only a trap to draw additional suspects. It seemed to work too as Lamon_Cranston became more aggitated and disoriented. Eventually it was determined that It was best he was killed so we crossed our fingers and strung him. As we chocked him he seemed to lose his grip on reality and began to laugh, a cold chilling laugh. "You mice should have treated me better, for I Sela the Fox gave Cluny his way in soon you will all perish." She laughed harder as we tighntened the noose out of panic and the old gypsy finally died. After examining her room we found plenty of sleeping draughts that we guessed she had used to preven tany heroic action at night. One enemy down, but how many were left. We decided with the poisoner dead it might be best to go to sleep and see what the night brought. As I crawled into bed the vision of poor poisonium came to my eyes but I cleared my mind and went to sleep. THE DEAD SHOULD REMAIN DEAD!

Lamont_Cranston is lynched. He was Sela the Vixen the mafia roleblocker. Please send in all night choices by Tuesday Morning.
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