Discuss Room of Antiques here

[Icarus]

Not sure if these work together - but maybe something will shake loose here - going with the game/toys theme

1) a fine piece of section, or log, from an oak tree - Lincoln Log?
2) what looks to be a primitive die from a child's game - A Dradle?
3) a globe of the earth -
4) a decorative wooden block that you think resembles a door stop wedge - Trivial Pursuit sounded good, but those wedges aren't decorative
5) what could only be described as a closed doll house - I like Monopoly for this one
6) a piece of yellow aged paper - Pictionary?
7) a piece of glass - Magnifying Lens?

[Sprocket356]

Wedge - Pine Wood derby car? or Maybe part of a small wooden keystone arch puzzle?? Still thinking.

Paper Could be Origami paper?

Glass - Could be a Bead/Marble? With old-school glass blowing techniques you would have to break pieces off existing pieces of glass or that rod deal that they stick in the furnace. That would typically occur at an end or "tip".

Now for the globe... could it symbolize games/puzzles from around the world? Or maybe related to the Arts (cartography, woodworking, sculpting, glassblowing...) doesn't seem funny though -=/

As in the Dreidel - Israel
Origami - Japan
Keystone - Roman

Dunno.....

[Sprocket356]

It doesn't have anything to do with MJ does it?

[beachbum*]

C'mon, Logain just said that the answer would be obvious once we get it. Dradle? I have no idea what that is, so that can't possibly be a part of the answer! Pinewood Derby? As an American I know what it is, but what about other countries? And the art of glass-blowing?

I realize we're just throwing ideas out, to brainstorm (and I'm guilty as well). but this is more of the same.

I have no better ideas myself, unfortunately

I'm sure the answer wouldn't require doing research, however, certainly nothing involving a a "Dradle" or "Pinewood Derby".

I think that we're on a completely wrong track here - just going down similar paths all over again.

I've been looking into wordplay, although these are ancient ruins, so I would think they don't speak English (but maybe there's some poetic license going on here, unless like someone said the excavation is from someone in our future).

Just my opinion.

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[Sprocket356]

It's all about Michael Jackson

Log - Resembling nose alterations; like pinocchio
Earth - Earth Song; from the album HIStory: Past, Present and Future
Die - Well...
Wooden Wedge - Soles from patented shoes, as seen on Smooth Criminal Video; he holds a patent: http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/06/25/michael-jacksons-pat.html
Glass - Man in the Mirror song
Closed House - As in neverland ranch
Yellow Paper - Fraudlent prescription stock

okok im kidding.

I'm trying to figure out if the number 7 means something here... I am going to do some research on 7's of stuff.

[Sprocket356]

Please don't revoke my man card...

According to the internet there was a cinderella glass slipper board game. http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/333021

[Zag]

[Logain]

It really has been a while since I've had the time to be a regular here and now with Courk finally giving the main page some updates i forgot how fun it is to watch the ideas and discussion trying to solve a puzzle. Maybe it'll get me motivated to work on a THP, lol.

As far as this puzzle's concerned, it was solved by a few people during the original competition I made this for....so I'll try to refrain from any hints so as not to spoil it for anyone hoping to solve it purely on group effort or by themselves...at least until I see any white flags raised

But for anyone who's completely frustrated I don't mind PMs for anyone just trying to keep things to themselves.

[Sprocket356]

[Sprocket356]

Could the wedge be a wooden whistle? I am trying to think of a decorative door stop thats not a door stop.

Bookend, Paper Weight, Shim, Reed, Woodwind mouth piece, some kind of ancient architectural 30,60,90 triangle?

[Courk]

[Oscar]

It might be that the pieces represent letters:
1) a fine piece of section, or log, from an oak tree - O
2) what looks to be a primitive die from a child's game - no real idea here
3) a globe of the earth - O
4) a decorative wooden block that resembles a door stop wedge - A or V?
5) what could only be described as a closed doll house - D M or W?
6) a piece of yellow aged paper - no idea
7) a piece of glass - a Magnifying Lens with a wedge cut out - Y?

Pursuing the game theme I could only think of one 7 letter game with two O's - Othello - but that hardly seems an obvious solution. Any other games suggestions?

[PuzzleScot]

How about school subjects?

1) a fine piece of section, or log, from an oak tree - Woodwork
2) what looks to be a primitive die from a child's game - Mathematics
3) a globe of the earth - Geography
4) a decorative wooden block that resembles a door stop wedge - Art
5) what could only be described as a closed doll house - Domestic Science
6) a piece of yellow aged paper - Literature
7) a piece of glass with a wedge cut out - Chemistry

Although it doesn't have that "Of course!" factor. Just a thought...

[Icarus]

donthaveone perviously mentioned classroom objects.

[beachbum*]

Could the objects be represent objects in an ancient painting?

Could it be a room full of art, and the room and objects are in fact _in_ a painting?

[jesternl]

Beachbum,
This is a dreidel/dradle.

I have an idea, but I can't honestly remember if I read it in the original treasure hunt version, or it's an actual fresh idea, so I'll refrain from posting it for a while.

[PuzzleScot]

[Sprocket356]

Could it be a bottle of Clairette de Die wine?

Oak - Barrel
Globe - Wine Stopper
Wedge - Wine Holder
Die - Die, Drôme, a village in France, best known for its Clairette de Die
House - House Wine
Paper - Label
Glass - Bottle

[beachbum*]

Wine - way too contrived IMO.

[Sprocket356]

I was re-reading the puzzle and took notice of the word "Display" could these be historical items that are somewhat famous in a well known museum?

As in could that piece of paper be the declaration of independence or the like? and the other items be contained under the same exhibit or room or museum?

[Sprocket356]

Primitive dice could be called knucklebones... of sheep i am reading

Oldest Globe - The completed globe, which came to be called Erdapfel (earth apple) by the townspeople, was restored in 1825 and preserved at the city hall in Nuremberg National Museum.



****** Nuremberg Doll house! http://www.toycollector.com/gallery/Dolls-dollhouses/Nuremberg_Doll_House.jpg

Scroll back to 1430; another doll house looking thing.. http://www.gnm.de/schausammlungen.html

might be on to something...

[Icarus]

[Jack_Ian]

I feel we are overlooking something in the text.

Traditions? - Christmas, Easter, birthdays etc.
Something on display...

Perhaps the piece of oak is a pedestal or mount of some kind.
I'm trying to figure out how the pieces could join up, but I can't think of any display that would involve a globe.

[beachbum*]

[quote="Jack_Ian"]I feel we are overlooking something in the text.

I think so too. "Room of Antiques", reads a little funny to me, as well as the description of the log (I'm still not sure how to interpret that).

Odd traditions? Unique and even funny meanings? That must have some importance. Most of the suggestion's so far (including mine), don't involve any humor.

Could this puzzle involve word-play or puns? ("Room" -> "ruin"?) I've been discounting word-play a bit because presumably the original inhabitants wouldn't speak English, but maybe the puzzle isn't that serious or literal.

On another track, I'm still thinking about the angle of the objects representing things in an old well-known painting. The glass object could then be perhaps a stained glass window in which the top is out of the painting's frame (hence cut at the tip).

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[Icarus]

Just some random thoughts

What is the significance of
6) a piece of yellow aged paper

Is it possible the paper started out white, and over time turned yellow? Does it help to think of it as a piece of white paper when first placed in the room?

A piece of glass cut in half at the tip to fit in. Is this a diamond? Someone asked earlier about fit in. "Fit in" meaning to belong with the other objects, or fit in meaning to assemble something with the pieces?

If "some assembly is required", then what would the cut in the glass allow the glass to fit into?

And the fine section, or log, from an oak tree. Is fine meant to mean superb quality of wood, or is it to describe the size, as in small?

[3iff]

More thoughts...

1. Specifies an OAK tree...why oak, why not just say a tree? Is oak relevant?

6. If the paper had writing on it surely we would have been told?

7. A piece of glass, that isn't recognised as anything specific until we notice that it relects light strangely...and only then do we realise what it seems to be.

I really like the idea that 2. is a dreidel...but I still cannot fathom out how things fit together. Still not happy with the suggestions so far as nothing fits into a coherent theme...

Keep throwing out ideas though, we'll make a breakthrough eventually.

[Sprocket356]

yes,yes,yes. Great Ideas guys! I think we are on the right track with "display". For a moment I thought that they might be objects in an office or on a desk.

Oak has to be important; no wood type was specified with the wedge... why not?

Display - Decorative???

Yellow paper - Post-it-note; display a reminder?

I do like the card holder idea; how about picture frame? OR the paper could be a super aged business card....

The die is totally throwing me off but I do like the current consensus.

Is there any way the die could be an abacus? It deals with numbers and kids used it..

I have had too much coors light tonight, but I think the word "display" is key, and I think we should expound on that guys/gals.

[Braegh*]

I quickly saw a link with the numbers 1 through 7 here...
I've spoilered two of them below.

Globe = 1
Doll House = 7

I can fit all of the other items into numbers between 1 and 7, as well.[/spoiler]

[Jack_Ian]

I think I see where you're going, but I had difficulty with the glass and oak items given their lack of detail. I assumed the oak item was a log and came up with the following list:
1 globe
2 paper
3 log
4 glass
5 wedge
6 die
7 Dollhouse

It certainly looks promising and the glass object is then likely to be a tetrahedron.
Not sure where to go from here though.

[PuzzleScot]

I think you've got it guys - well done.

It seems it *was* a case of looking up the right tree then discounting it. One of my early lists had cylinder, cube, sphere, pyramid, plane, prism, (&house), which wasn't a million miles away... Nice one. Thanks.

[Quailman]

[beachbum*]

[quote="PuzzleScot"]I think you've got it guys - well done.

It seems it *was* a case of looking up the right tree then discounting it.

Yes, it was. At the time it just seemed too contrived, and I think I had made a mistake with the: log.

I still don't know what:
the cut glass object is. A drinking glass by itself would be 4. A prism might make sense (if by reflection, it actually means refraction), but I can't figure out how to 4 by cutting it. A glass syringe with the end cut off maybe? That doesn't seem right either.

[Braegh*]

The glass object can only be one thing: Half a paperweight. Pyramid with a square base, cut in two through opposite corners and the top, leaves a glass pyramid with four sides.

[beachbum*]

[Braegh]

Yeah, now that you mention it, I don't see pyramid-shaped paperweights often. But considering it has to have been cut in half by the tip, it is the only explanation I can think of...

I'll go see if there's some other shapes that can be cut in half to make a 4-sided object. Certainly, the object we are looking for is something like that.

(Can anyone edit my previous post, from before I signed up here? I posted it in a hurry and forgot the spoiler tags.)

[Braegh]

A really, really quick Google search suggests a model of the Louvre pyramid as a possibility.

[Zag]

Well done, Braegh!

[Logain]

Good work Braegh.

The object I had in mind originally was indeed a small pyramid (made of glass in this case). I wasn't looking for any more detail so I don't want anyone really wasting more time looking for more depth to it that just insn't there

In the puzzle above, the glass was obviously cut to form the tetrahedron...which in this case formed a crude triangular prism. I didn't use refracted for 3 reasons....1) it makes the object a little obvious , 2) I used the term reflected strangely, meaning the person notices something odd about the light with it. If the person immediately saw it was refracting light he wouldn't describe refracting with an adverb like strangely...he would just say it refracted light. 3) It was cut from a pyramid, so it wasn't originally supposed to be a prism which is why it didn't work properly as one and the discoverer thought it was broken.
Hope everyone enjoyed solving it.

[Sprocket356]

Can someone please break this down. I don't get it! Dealing with Sides?

[Tony Gardner]