Chocolate! Game over. Town wins!

[lexprod]

[Dragon Phoenix]

Agree. The others have voted or indicated a vote, so milkshake, state your intention at least.
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[milkshake]

Hm. Well despite his reverse-justification of his hammer I'd be willing to vote Undercover Monk based on that.

I keep thinking something must be wrong with ralphmerridew's way of confirming himself but assuming no odd role interactions, I actually guess it makes sense and makes him cop-confirmed town. O_O So I wouldn't vote him.

Others could all be scum, but probably aren't, but might be, but no, but yes.

One things for sure: I won't be hammering anyone before a claim. Yes, even with these chocolate roles!

[lexprod]

I think an official votecount would help, some people may be scare to accidentally put someone at L-1

[Zag]

lexprod presses the "Official Vote Count" button on the voting machine. Its timer resets and it displays the following:

ralphmerridew: 1 vote
Dragon Phoenix: 1 vote
abstain: 3 votes

[Dragon Phoenix]

[lexprod]

alright, to slowly push things forward I'm gonna vote milkshake. This day I don't wanna lynch rm just in case, which leaves three options. I think UM is working far harder than a mafia would really have to, bringing in new ideas and angles, etc. Dragon Phoenix I'm not to hot on either (I still have 2-mafia-remaining conspiracy theories, especially since the town had at least ONE slightly-death-resistant role so far, in addition to whatever the mannequin was last night.) I'm between those two for the day.

[Undercover Monk]

I didn't realize I still had a vote on rm. Unvote Actually this day has been pretty interesting with the suspicion ball being batted between virtually all of us. It has given us a chance to see how people react to pressure. milkshake seems to be the next big threat to me as well. He comes out early day 2 with calls for my lynch based on a hammer and my reaction calling for his lynch. when that died down and went nowhere his post count went down dramatically. I think only 2 or 3 posts since Nov. 20. that seems lurkish to me. He keeps posting every once in awhile but hasn't offered much of any substance lately.

I won't vote him yet cause I don't want an oppurtunistic scum to kill him off before he can respond. but I am readying my hammer once again.
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[Dragon Phoenix]

Hmmmmm....

[Undercover Monk]

well DP you would be right except for rm post (113) that explained his claim about being targeted. I offered a response (116) and meant to unvote on that post to avoid a possible pro-town lynching. It seems to me that this happens every game I'm in. people take random quotes, don't look at the context, and try to build a lynch mob on it. so it actually makes you the scummy guy, DP.
An logical explanation and an apology may save you from my vote.

P.S. (to the town) please look at surrounding posts before accusing anyone we need to make a good lynch no flash mobs today.
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2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Dragon Phoenix]

I don;t buy it. Your inbetween post (that I did see) does not hint at all at being swayed to changing your mind about voting rm. Vote stays.
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[milkshake]

In my not-so-humble opinion, Undercover Monk's proposed vote on me is exactly what scum would do: push for a mislynch with just enough punch-pulling to not look scummy.

But this is the part where I pull my own punched and say that the fact that UM protects his vote could also be honest towniness.

lexprod and DP I feel are town. Just a feeling. So process of elimination leaves me with ralph and UM.

[lexprod]

[lexprod]

Actually, UM does already have a vote, so you may actually get him to hang it seems, current vote tally is DP 1 UM 1 milk 1 I believe, for those interested.

[Undercover Monk]

Well it is looking like we will soon have a lynch candidate and since its me I think I will put someone closer to the noose, self-preservation and all that. I actually agree with what lexprod was saying milkshake appears to be lurking without the lurk. saying nothing while trying to seem like he is offering insight. this may come down to who ralphmerridew thinks is scummy. I still prefer to not reveal my role but I will if I have to. vote: milkshake
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1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[lexprod]

That's L-1 on milkshake, and we don't have a deadline currently looming so if we could allllllll just wait until milkshake pleads his case that would be great, kthx

[milkshake]

Yes, I have a town read on you, Lexprod, and DP. ralphmerridew is, in an interesting turn of events, practically confirmed. I have previously stated scum-reasons about UM. Not insignificant ones, I might add. (That hammer was grr.)

I can back that up with a vote sure as not. I need my vote for now, though, see below.

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Considering I'm at L-1, though, my "pleading of my case" should probably include a claim. I'm Secret Service, and it's a confirmable role... I can protect someone from a lynch. I doc them during the night, and during the day I shadow them and they can't be lynched. I targetted lexprod. If you try to lynch him you'll see that the lynching vote won't count. vote: lexprod

I just realized that I could be trying to get some strange sort of mislynch. And if there really are two scum left, it would be game over. Well, obviously you don't have to try. Just consider this a claim then. ^^ But if you do try, I'll be confirmed and we can get on to targetting UM. Or if he dies and the game doesn't end (which obviously won't happen) you'll know I'm scum. Or if we have a tracker they could target me during the night.

[Undercover Monk]

Wow interesting. As much as I suspect milkshake I think this is actually a good idea. However if we attempt this milkshake needs to refrain from using his power on the next day as you could target the last scum and make him unlynchable. So if no one has any objections I say go with it. Lexy what about you do you feel like putting your life on the line. unvote
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[lexprod]

Well this is a rather dramatic turn of events. milkshake's case does seem fair, as far as being able to test my un-lynchability, except you have to hope that there is only one scum, and that the other killing party won't strike again, which could send the game from 5 to 2, a tie which the mafia could win (we hang me, mafia kills town or killer, killer kills town).

So while this may look like a "proof" it is not. I'm gonna have to think and get back to this thread later.

[ralphmerridew]

I'm not totally sure that, even if there are two scum, that a mislynch is game over. If there are two scum, then the game started with three scum of seven, which would have us starting at lynch or lose.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Suppose milkshake tells the truth, we try to lynch lexprod, and fail. So we end the day without a lynch, the confirmed milkshake gets killed at night and we are back at square one, with one pro-town less. Not a good idea.

Very much liking a UM lynch. More and more.
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[Undercover Monk]

DP this was milkshakes idea not mine! I agree with it based on the fact that this is chocolate mafia so we all have some power and even if there are two mafia left it will be hard to kill a bunch of superpowered townies. As far as our second killer goes, I think we can count on them to not make a kill tonight. If its a Vig then they are for the town and will most likely listen to whatever plan we devise. If its a SK then they need to make sure the mafia don't gain an advantage and kill him/her off. either way a smart killer should avoid ending the game.

DP you are I think doing something we all end up doing at some point or other and focusing all your energy on one player which is clouding your judgment. That isn't to say I couldn't be scum (I'm not :hint hint: ) but you need to still have an open mind and not look at everything with the premise that I am scum. Doing that there is nothing I could say that could change your mind so defending myself to you would be a waste of my time.

I'm all for milkshakes plan. Lexy if you die you will be avenged I swear. Vote: Lexprod
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[milkshake]

[Undercover Monk]

Which would leave us with two semi-confirmed townies a unlynchable lexprod and myself and Dragon Phoenix as the odd men out. Still we have little to loose and much to gain. Forward the Buffs and steady as she goes.

How many figures of speech can I use in one post.

Oh and I just realized something. If milkshake is telling the truth and he is secret service and ralphmerridew is telling the truth about not being a cop then there must be only one scum left. I am not the cop, rm has cliamed not the cop, milkshake claims he is not the cop. That leaves us with Lex and DP as cop. Since raekuuls death role said there was a cop we know one of those two is the cop and the other is scum. That leaves us with one scum assuming of course I'm not a lying scum. (I'm not, I swear)

p.s. if my posts today seem random its cause I just finished working on powerpoints for my computer class. I was at it for about 4 hours today and I'm a little burnt out. I will probably check back in sometime this weekend cause I'm still not finished and everything is due Mon. Oh how I love Finals week! Peace out!
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[ralphmerridew]

Another problem with DP's post is that, even if milkshake is killed overnight, the cop gets another investigation, so we won't be at square one.

[lexprod]

I still think this game is crazy and am not really happy with the idea that I am the guinea pig for milkshake's innocence. Though I guess I'm flattered that, if milkshake is honest, that I was trusted by the end of day 1.

UM: so far this day have you felt like you've been a leader or follower mostly? Because looking back most of your posts seem to be reactions, instead of your own fully formed ideas or opinions. Anything original is along the lines of numbers game instead of reads (with the exception of scum-meter, but that was so early it essentially said "OMGUS milkshake, everyone else we're cool for now").

DP: still seems to me you're making posts -just- when you have to, nudging things along carefully. those posts aren't screaming scum themselves, still on the fence

rm: I think everyone's decided to take the safe bet with not lynching you (myself included), so congrats if you are a very smart scum and somehow made a close to airtight claim

milkshake: this is by far the weirdest situation I've been put in in Mafia. After making a small case against you, and at L-1, I find myself with not an OMGUS vote...but 2 "let's try it out" votes that are based upon me being innocent and if I die I'll be avenged. DP doesn't like the idea, which means if we do test it ralph or...I...will have to throw down the hammer to try. I just REALLLLLLY think it's not worth the risk because, well it's kind of scary cause it's on me. Also if he's scum then he knows what he's doing and wouldn't make us "test" this ability unless it was either true or if I hung it wouldn't matter. The ability isn't necessarily a town ability, as it's a sort of doctor for mafia during the day, their most vulnurable state. Blah, I think my judgement is being clouded with self-preservation, and on top of that I (like everyone else I assume) have a good pro-town role. Good as in very useful in helping us win. Would a mass claim help anyone else right now? or would it confuse matters?

The short version: don't try to lynch me right now I don't think it's a good idea to risk me dying kthx

[Dragon Phoenix]

[ralphmerridew]

lexprod: My name is "ralphmerridew". If that's too long, "rm" is fine. "ralph" is not.

Giving the lynchstop ability to mafia is really powerful. (Less so if it's not a day ender; more so if it can be done anonymously.)

I've seen it done reasonably fairly in Princess Bride Mafia (single use and fairly large town) and Open Role Mafia (had to be done openly; pardoner could be lynched if he had used the ability that day or if everyone else voted for him).

I don't think anybody else should claim today. I think there's too much role info out in the open.

[Zag]

The lights dim. The big clock on the wall flickers for a second. And nothing happens.

[Dragon Phoenix]

{b]Unvote lexprod[/b]

One established (most likely at least - it would be insanely cruel to give this power to the scum).

I need a re-read. Tomorrow.
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[Dragon Phoenix]

Unvote lexprod
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[lexprod]

That's a relief I suppose. Not really happy with how it went down, but at least we now know milkshake didn't lie about his role.

So looking back at the night post, and the claims today, we've got rm the target-aware, milkshake the day-protector, an unnamed cop, someone who can kill, and some sort of doctor. That is assuming that cop, nk, and doctor aren't combined with another role. ralphmerridew's role has also 90% confirmed him in my eyes, the doc can't be mafia, the nk can't be mafia, we know the cop isn't mafia, which leaves....the day protector? Someone should check my work but I think that this may prove milkshake a scum after all.

[ralphmerridew]

lexprod: milkshake claimed to have both doc and lynchstop powers.

I propose lynching UM, who's claimed not-cop.

milkshake: Be careful who you protect tonight. If you protect a scum, it'll be game over tomorrow.

[milkshake]

[lexprod]

Ah, missed that part of your claim when I saw my life flash before my eyes.

So, your protection thing doesn't mention the mannequin? Either it's mod flavor or there's more protection going on. If only we could ask the mafia if I was targetted last night XD

Now the situation seems to be target aware, doc, cop, nk, ???. rm is the aware, milk is the doc, and DP, UM, or I are the nk, cop, and ???. I'm apparently immune to hanging, so we only have two options...

...except that I know what the deal with the mannequin is. And I can prove it. I'm the Mannequin Maker and I can distract the mafia during the night by building a mannequin which they will kill instead of their target. I can only do this TWICE, so this upcoming night I plan to use it again, and I guarantee that there WILL be a mannequin in the night story. I don't know who the mafia was supposed to kill.

Seeing as this is a weird variant on doctor, I'm getting worried that milkshake's role is too much for the town to have even with an SK/vig around. What I think is that milkshake has a mafia role that allows him to pick any player and make them lynch proof during the day. Why he chose to protect me, if he's mafia, is not entirely clear, maybe to buy me off to trusting him. It wouldn't be as shady if he weren't trying to also take claim for night protection, which he can fake easily because he knows who the mafia will kill, and will day protect the "wrong" person.

I know this is a lot of claiming, and that I'm not even in danger of being lynched this day, but I think my role is important in relation to milkshake's claim. Plus I won't die today nor tonight because of it (not by mafia at least, and if it is a SK, I'm no more of a threat than others because I don't stop him), so I don't think I'm "helping" the mafia much. I think UM is the wrong lynch today, because I think milkshake is decieving us. And if my overall theory of who's what role is right, then UM's probably the SK anyways so he'll be next. (I'm happy that at least we'll be 3-1 or 2-1 tomorrow, depending on the SK/vig's ability)

[lexprod]

VOTECOUNT please mod. I think it's one on me, one on UM, and one on milk

[Zag]

lexprod presses the "Official vote count" button on the wall. Its timer resets and it presents:

milkshake: 1 vote
lexprod: 1 vote
ralphmerridew: 1 vote
abstain: 2 votes

By the way, I just want to mention that modding this game is even more fun than I thought it would be! I hope you guys are enjoying it.

[milkshake]

lexprod, after your claim I agree with your assessment except, of course, the part where my role is the mafia! It seems that we are now mostly-sort-of certain of this set-up.

lexprod: mannequin kill-stopper
rm: target-aware
UM: vig/SK
DP: cop
me: secret service

It seems that your role could be considered a balancing mechanism to the SK. (I know it stops the mafia, but it cuts down on the kill number all the same. With that and a doctor, the mod could probably safely include both an SK and a two-person mafia?) I would guess that RM might be a godfather type role who shows up innocent to the cop? Or he used his odd confirmation to his benefit as mafia some other way? So I'd vote rm (mafia?) or UM (possible SK.) Your role can't belong to mafia, I note, because due to the fact that mafia was killed last night, we know that only the mafia kill could have been stopped (as opposed to, for example, the SK/vig.)

[ralphmerridew]

Well, that seems like a reasonable interpretation of what's been announced in thread so far. I don't think there's any need for DP to claim at this point, but I do hope that tomorrow we can get an explanation out of DP about exactly what he was doing earlier today.

Hmmm... I need to run the numbers, but I think our best move at this point is to lynch milkshake. If milkshake is mafia, and it's not game over, it'll be 2 town to 1 SK tomorrow; we may be able to follow the cop. If milkshake is the SK, and there's a mannequin instead of a kill, lexprod's confirmed and we can follow the cop. If milkshake is the SK, and there's a kill, lynch the lying lexprod. If milkshake was telling the truth, we'd better hope we have a vig ... should the vig kill?

[Undercover Monk]

Well actually with my role that works out better than I thought, however I am fairly suspicious of Lexprod. The manequin thing smells scummy to me for some reason. I can't see with how my role is set up Lexprod having a two shot ability. I suggest trying to lynch Lexprod again.

p.s. I know I have been all over the road today but its been a weird day in a weird game.
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1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning