Amb Mafia Game Thread

[Courk]

I've thoroughly read the thread now (though on 5 hours of sleep -- hopefully I'll remember what I read later ). Here's what stood out to me: JDTAY's claim.

vote: JDTAY
I highly doubt that that is his role ability.

[JDTAY]

I don't know how anything could make you doubt my role ability; we haven't even had a night yet.
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[Poisonium]

I just looked in the dictionary under "amb". There's about 60 words beginning with amb, and it is definitely an easy way of creating a safeclaim to pick one of those (I'm guessing the doctor is Ambulance ). I also find JDTAY's claim rather suspicious, almost suicidal.
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[raekuul]

Thirteen people, seven to lynch. If I vote for JDTAY, we put him at four votes. However, he has already claimed to be the Ambrosia Amb, which (given his description) is a roleblocker. I don't buy it, even though it'd be easier to fake-claim as a doc while mafia.

I'm looking over the thread again, starting from right after Zag and Amb had their little argument.

[raekuul]

er, can I get a mod to fix the formatting in there? Thanks.

[The Great Crep'er]

There's also twelve people playing, not thirteen.

[Poisonium]

[JDTAY]

Hmm, a fourth JDTAY vote with 4 to lynch at the deadline... It would be suspicious if I knew when the deadline was.
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[raekuul]

We won't have a deadline until Crep says we do. And I've backed up my vote with reasoning.

You find it scummy because it's your head on the chopping block. Try answering Poisonium's concerns in your next post.

[The Great Crep'er]

AmbVote Count Numbah Fore:

MNOWAX: (1) milkshake
raekuul: (4) ralphmerridew, sAbLLImiNal, Quailman, Poisonium
Courk: (1) JDTAY
Zag: (1) Amb
JDTAY: (3) Undercover Monk, Courk, raekuul
Amb: (1) MNOWAX
MNOWAX: (1) Zag

Note: Deadline will not be posted until posting goes through a rapid decline or if players are in agreement that one is needed. It's not the mod's job to put a stop to discussion the town is undergoing.

[Quailman]

[Amb]

I feel the need to state my role. I am "Amb the naturally Scummy". My role contains no pun whatsoever (and I am worried that I will show guilty to cops, although my role doesnt specifically say that*). We can't lynch on the basis of a bad pun but it is odd I dont have any pun in my name.

* I must confess when I first read my role thats what I thought it said (making me french vanilla I suppose) but on second reading it doesnt.

[Poisonium]

Woah, mass role claiming.

I don't know if I believe that one. It's fairly believeable, but it's also a very nice claim to get out there early for mafia.

Quailman might be right, though. I think I was overanalyzing there. Still, it's a great excuse for reading Greek mythological stories.

Unvote

FoS: Everyone who has claimed

I have not found any of these claims necessary, to be honest. Best one yet is Amb, but that guy is intelligent and experienced enough to make claims just a notch better than everybody else.
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[Poisonium]

On second thought.

Vote: Raekuul

Claim is way too early. And I don't believe it.
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[raekuul]

It may be outrageous, and it may be too early, but it's what I claimed and it's what I stand by.

I would have been pressured to claim early anyway, there was a bandwagon forming on me.

[Poisonium]

The claim was too eager, to be honest.

My main issue is that I don't trust the claim however.

I'm still eyeballing JDTAY and Amb though.
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[MNOWAX]

this is strange, mass roleclaiming, metagaming the mod, what happened to an old fashioned random lynch?

I am not going to say what my role name is, but it does have a pun in it. so right there it is worth a Unvote, Vote: Amb cause I don't believe his name claim, and of course, he's scum, you all know it.
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[Undercover Monk]

although my role has a pun in it, I believe Ambs claim cause his role explanation is similar to my own. I wont claim cause too much of that has gone on already. I still like a JDTY lynch.
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[Zag]

OK. I haven't posted in a while. Here are my thoughts.

raekuul: It was kind of foolish for him to claim early, but mafia, foolish, and raekuul go together in the same sentence all the time. I don't suspect him for it, nor do I de-suspect him for it; it's just neutral. However, later, when the pressure was on, he didn't budge from the position. I really think that, if he were mafia, he would have changed his story at that point. Suspicion factor: low.

JDTAY: Came to raekuul's defense when pressure was on him. If he were scum, he would have just kept quiet, and/or tried to slip a vote in there (assuming, of course, that raekuul is clean, which I'm forced to do). Suspicion factor: low (but tied to raekuul).

Courk: Hasn't posted much, which is unlike her. But maybe she really is just super-busy, or maybe she's staying quiet in order to keep from arousing attention. Suspicion factor: Medium to medium-low

Amb: Leaped to Courk's defense, but not Poisonium's, when I suggested voting for the lurkers. If he really felt that voting off lurkers was a terrible idea, I would think he would have argued against that in general. (On the other hand, I did specifically mention Courk, so it isn't completely suspicious.) Also, he attacked me, which, of course, I find suspicious and threatening. Suspicion factor: Medium; goes much higher if we find that Courk is scum, and lower if we find she isn't.

That's all I have based on commentary. Now for the voting record. Here are the votes each person has made. The number next to the vote is what number vote that was on the target. That is, if a vote says "Fred-4" it means that this represented the 4th active vote on Fred when the vote was cast. Those without a number were the first vote on that person.

MNO: Amb, raek-3, JDT-5, raek-6, Courk-4 (this is after the bandwagon formed and then had collapsed on her), Amb
milk: MNO
JDTAY: Amb-2, Courk-6
Amb: rm, raek-2, JDT-2, raek-3, Zag
Q: sab,raek-2, Courk-2, raek-5
raek: Amb-3, JDT-4, Courk-3 (this vote was unvoted after JDT cast Courk-6, causing collapse of the bandwagon), JDT-5
Zag: JDT, raek-4, Courk
UM: sav-2, JDT-2 (after the bandwagon on him had formed and collapsed), Courk-5, JDT-2
sab: Pois, JDT-3, raek-5
Pois: JDT-3, raek
Courk: JDT-4

Here are how the bandwagons formed. The name is the person being voted for, and then are the people who voted for him, in order.

Amb: MNO, JDT, raek. Never really got started.

raekuul: rm, Amb, MNO. At this point Amb left to be the second vote in the next bandwagon, which MNO joined later.

JDTAY: Zag, Amb, sab, raek, MNO. Amb unvoted to go back to raek

raekuul: rm (was still voting for him), Q, Amb, Zag, sab. raekuul claimed and Zag unvoted.

Courk: Zag, Q, raek, MNO, UM, JDT,

JDTAY: UM, Pois, Courk, raek. Pois unvotes

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My thoughts on this:

raekuul has jumped around a lot, and been 3rd, 4th, 3rd, and 5th. However, he was the one to unvote, breaking the bandwagon on Courk. in any case, he's risen to Suspicion medium-high.

Courk has only cast a single vote, but it was a 4th vote on a significant-looking bandwagon. I would expect, if she were scum, that she would try to keep her votes few and highly leveraged.

Amb: Jumped around a lot, but mostly was putting in the second vote, which means he is pretty prescient for a scum. On the other hand, if they are allowed to talk in the day, then he and MNO might have planned helping these form. On the other other hand, they should have let MNO put in the early vote on at least one of these. Anyway, Suspicion medium-high.

MNO looks the most suspicious to me. He has come in with the 3rd, 5th, 6th, and 4th votes on bandwagons. The one that he missed happened very fast, and very likely he just missed his chance. Suspicion high.

Q has also jumped around some, and seems eager to get in on the ground floor of any bandwagons forming. Suspicion: Medium.

Unvote Courk, Vote MNOWAX

[milkshake]

[raekuul]

[Courk]

[Quailman]

In any mafia game, I wouldn't want anyone defending me too vigorously. It could be a mafia ploy to gain an impression of innocence by association.

Right now I suspect the reason we haven't made more progress towards a lynch is that the people with bandwagons forming are the people the town should want to lynch, and the maf is staying away. Or maybe not. I'll reread later when I have more time.

[Quailman]

The game seems to have slowed and I expect a deadline will be imposed if we don't pick up the pace.

ZAG's bandwagon vote analysis is good, but you have to take into consideration that a couple of the bandwagon targets have set themselves up (JDTAY and raekuul). I've used the filter at the bottom of the page to see who's posted what so far.

ralphmerridew is maintaining a suspiciously low profile. He's posted three times, a random vote for raekuul, and a later confirmation vote. I would consider this suspicious were it not for raekuul's lame claim and the fact that I think he should be lynched.

milkshake has been quiet lately, but explained his absence in his second-to-last post.

I see ZAG's point about MNOWAX's votes being on bandwagons, but 3 of 4 were on highly suspicious people (JDTAY and raekuul) and the third was on a lurker, though the circumstances might be questionable.

ZAG has posted 14 times so far, right behind JDTAY (15) and raekuul (16), yet he hasn't had to defend himself against a banwagon. I've seen prolific posters who were trying to steer the game from the outset, and they usually turned out to be bad for the town. FOS: ZAG

I am keeping my vote where it is.

Note to Mod: It gets confusing when you edit votecounts to reflect votes in subsequent posts. You've even confused yourself, since you have MNOWAX listed twice, with one vote each, when he has a total of two.

[Poisonium]

[MNOWAX]

i disagree i like having two votes.
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[Undercover Monk]

as we seem to be getting no where I say we all revote/confirm and then just agree to bandwagoning the majority a lot has been gained since we started (more than the usual day 1) but Im not sure if we will gain anything more till the first lynch and night are over.

Confirm Vote:JDTY
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[JDTAY]

A vote for JDTAY is a vote for Obama.
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[Undercover Monk]

someones been reading the off topic thread. Only a dirty scum like you would try to use politics to escape a righteous hanging.
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2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Poisonium]

Hence, why I'm voting Raekuul. JDTAY is just too funny to kill.
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[The Great Crep'er]

AmbVote Count Numbah Fore (Updated):

raekuul: (4) ralphmerridew, sAbLLImiNal, Quailman, Poisonium
Courk: (1) JDTAY
Zag: (1) Amb
JDTAY: (3) Undercover Monk, Courk, raekuul
Amb: (1) MNOWAX
MNOWAX: (2) Zag, milkshake

Lack of posting in the last three days AND criticism of the mod's overwhelmingly apparent inability to count? If that's not asking for a deadline, I don't know what is.

The deadline for the lynch is:
February 2nd, 2010, 10:00 PM EST (This is an extendable deadline)

Get cracking my Ambs!

[raekuul]

Wow, this votecount is almost as polarizing as the 2008 presidential elections :p

People not voting for me or JDTAY: Why do you still vote for the person for whom you are voting?

[Zag]

I'm still voting for MNOWAX. According to my analysis above of the voting, I find his voting record to be the most suspicious. It looks the most to me as if he is trying to sniff out bandwagons before they really get started and jump on while it is still not too suspicious.

[milkshake]

Feb. 2? Is that a nolynch or a forced lynch? Anyway I will make sure that there's nothing I want to be doing before than that I am not doing.

[Amb]

Unvote; Vote Raekuul

I'd rather vote and lynch Zag but with the deadline as is... I had another candidate I was going to put forward but I can't remember who, or what the post was the made me think it. Aaargh.

[Courk]

I'm still good with my JDTAY vote as I don't believe his claim at all.

[Zag]

[The Great Crep'er]

[JDTAY]

unvote: Courk
vote: no lynch
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[Undercover Monk]

why would we no lynch we have several good candidates. This has just confirmed my belief that JDTY is scum.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning