Amb Mafia It's over, Who won?

[sAbLLimINal]

[Amb]

No, the town needs to lynch right. I have seen games where two cops and a doc died by night 3, and the town marched to victory just by analysing correctly. However, right now, any cop with or without info should keep quiet to improve on the odds.

[Amb]

[lexprod]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT as of 4-29

Zag 2 (Amb, Poisonium)
Amb 3 (Zag, sAbLLinINal, isauteikisa)

8 alive, 5 to lynch

[lexprod]

Redeadlined!

If no vote is reached by friday, I will force night and the player with the most votes, or the most votes first, will hang. This may be remedied by activity...

[Quailman]

I've already stated that I think amb=evil since he's trying to get Zag lynched, whom I believe=good. I was hoping to get an impression of who might be in cahoots with him. Poisonium is voting for Zag, so he's a prime candidate in my book. That leaves Undercover Monk, isauteisika, sAbLLImiNal and milkshake. I decided in the last thread that sAbLLImiNal=good. There must be two or three other mafia types after the GF. There was a doc, so there's probably a cop.

I will vote: Amb to get this show on the road, but the question will be who to vote for tomorrow.

[Amb]

I very definitely am not evil. I am Amb the naturally scummy. And guess what this thread is showing right now? I must appear naturally scummy for actually trying to build a case.

In the event someone hammers, I suggest people also take a close look at Quailman. Something in his last post hints at scum to me, but I have NOT looked into it or pondered it.

Failing that, please try to drag Isautekisa back into the game. Some of the quieter ones may have reason to hide.

[isauteikisa]

Unvote: Amb

I don't want him at L-1 before more discussion happens. I apologize for not posting this weekend: couldn't connect to damn hotel internet either wirelessly or with a cable. I'll have something up this evening, after work concludes for the day.
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[Poisonium]

[isauteikisa]

Meta:

We're down a doc and a mason. That's two power roles down for town. Of common roles, we can probably assume we still have a living cop. Dunno what other non-common power roles may still remain.

Mafia - had godfather (not full vanilla). 1/2 left?

1:

8 now, 7 on mislynch, 6 day 4, 5 on mislynch, Lynch or Lose with 4 on day 5. No Lynch on day 4 changes us from a 3/1 town/mafia to a 4/1 town/mafia on day 5, and gives us a day 6 on a miss.

2:

8 now, 7 on mislynch, 6 day 4. Hitting 1/2 of the next two days puts us at 3/1 town/mafia day 5. Two misses == game over (4 left, 2 mafia is a mafia win state, right?)

Not incredibly enthusiastic about the push against Amb, but I stand by my support of Zag. I'd look to the lurkers who are willing to let this game go to night. I don't really like lurkers, between the deadness of the game and the fact that it's the same people making the same posts. The town may be running circles around itself at this point >.<

Anyone have thoughts on the above? Is my math right?
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[Undercover Monk]

first off I have heard nothing other than his re-role-claim to make me believe Amb may be scum. Its a realistic role claim however I still think that he is the best lynch we have. I also believe regardless of Amb status one mafia is on his bandwagon. I don't mind Amb being at L-1 I dont want scum to jump on Zag if he is town why we go back and forth on Amb so putting my money where my mouth is. Vote: Amb
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[Amb]

Let me get this straight:

[Zag]

isauteikisa, Quailman, I think one of you has to finish him off. I feel more and more convinced that Amb is scum with every post he makes; they have that unconvincing air to them of someone trying to sell you something he doesn't really believe. However, the most telling, to me, was the post raekuul made trying to deflect future suspicion away from Amb. (I brought this up in post #36 of this thread, so I won't restate it here.)

[Quailman]

Not me. I'm already voting for him.

[lexprod]

I'm keeping the deadline and will prod those who have not posted since the last vote recap letting them know of the deadline. Midnight on Friday, or whenever I check the thread afterwards, will be Night if a majority is not yet reached.
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[Amb]

Zag is manipulating you. If the verbose players, who actually find scum die, then you are left with inactive players and a ruling mafia who love the deadlines finishing the day with no lynch.

[lexprod]

[Undercover Monk]

[Amb]

Build a better case and I will respond to it.

Rob was in the buffoon tribe, and im going to be lynched for actually trying to catch scum.

[sAbLLimINal]

We aren't getting anywhere for the past whatever it's been and if the deadline is in about 24 hours I don't see any significant change going to happen...

I'm ready to move on, the mod is ready to move on, let's just move on.

[Amb]

The catch is you are ready to off a player who is willing to play. That doesnt bode well for the game.

[Zag]

We're ready to off the player who seems the most scummy. That's how the game is played.

[Quailman]

I agree. But when the gallows fall, and we've lynched a baddie, we'll still be left with four people about whom I don't have any firm opinion one way or the other. That's why I wanted to wait for more discussion.

BUt just because a person is willing to play more that the others is no reason to spare scum.

[Poisonium]

There's a good argument going both ways here, unfortunately. If we don't aim for lynching scum, we're obviously not winning the game. But if we go for loud players, the game might die altogether and no one wins (except maybe the still-lurking scum). I hold the position that we should try lynching whoever we believe is the most likely to be scum.

[lexprod]

The deadline has passed.

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT as of 5-8

Zag 2 (Amb, Poisonium)
Amb 4 (Zag, sAbLLinINal, Quailman, Undercover Monk)

As the day grows long the Ambs retreat to their cabin on the beach, grumbling about who may or may not have killed their fallen brethren (or sistren). As the evening dragged on clouds began to form over the waves of the ocean, culminating in a lightning storm outside the small shack. Having mostly cornered one of the Ambs as a suspect, half of the Ambs shoved him out into the weather, and he was immediately struck by a freak bolt of lightning, falling dead on the deck. In the melee his wallet had fallen out inside, where it was found that Amb was....

a vanilla Amb townie.

With 4 votes it was enough at the deadline, and Amb is out of the game. It is now night and the thread is OFF LIMITS until it is day again. Those who have night powers know what to do, all decisions will be due by the 13th! Ask me if you need an extension.
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I'll have a P please...

[lexprod]

Three days to get in those night choices!
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I'll have a P please...

[lexprod]

Day will start tomorrow, get ready...
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I'll have a P please...

[lexprod]

Night actions due by midnight, will open day soon, but project due tomorrow and friend coming into town as well means I'm gonna call a day's grace or two on when I may actually open the thread up. Poisonium's out of internet until Monday anyways, so it's not the worst thing in the world.
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I'll have a P please...

[lexprod]

Shaken by the rumble (both inside and out of the shack), the Ambs decide to open the futons and roll out the sleeping bags to sleep on their thoughts before starting another day of deliberations.

The next morning greeted the Ambs with the foul smell of death. After a cursory glance it became apparent that sAbLLimINal was missing. Much longer was the search to find his body, having been stashed in one of the folded up futons, once blue upholstery now stained crimson. Again the authorities are notified and after processing his ID, found...

sAbLLimINal was Ambitious Amb, a vanilla Amb Townie!

Day has begun, all night chatter stops and the thread is open. With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch.
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I'll have a P please...

[Zag]

Well, crud. I know that I set myself up pretty directly against Amb -- I was so sure that he was scum -- and I would be surprised not to be the one lynched. I know I would lynch me, if I had observed what had gone on. I'm sure the real mafia were just laughing up their sleeves at us.

Anyway, I don't have anything to say for myself, other than I honestly thought he was scum, and I thought we were going to take the mafia down when we lynched him. Since there are probably two mafia left, then making an incorrect lynch, plus the probable night kill, means that the mafia win. I'm not going to make a big push for anyone this time around, because my instincts have been so wrong, and because I assume you're just going to lynch me, anyway.

[Quailman]

I felt you were clearly innocent, as you seemed to have led the effort to lynch the GF. I don't understand why amb went after you. What a shame, when we could have been finding real scum.

[sAbLLimINal]

[Undercover Monk]

Its not your fault Zag you and Amb were pretty even. I was the one that kinda turned the tide and I think I even hammered him. But whats done is done. Without any re-reading my gut is to go with you as scum though just because Amb was so adament and Quailman is sending off subtle alarm bells as well but I wont be voting til I do another thourough re-read. I really wish the cop would speak up at this point we could use some info.

In other news my usage will be restricted this week as I am helping set up for a wedding.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Poisonium]

Well, I'm a bit surprised by the nightkill, but we have a pair of constructive scumbags who kill off the lurkers. Kudos to that.

As for Amb not being mafia, that's not too surprising to me. I'm not entirely sure about a Zag lynch anymore, though.

[lexprod]

BUMP
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I'll have a P please...

[Quailman]

Let's lynch a lurker!

Vote: isauteikisa

[lexprod]

HENCEFORTH milkshake will be replaced with askbob. Hopefully this will bring some life into this game, otherwise deadlines will be quick and brutal.
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[Poisonium]

I'm thinking that lynch-a-lurker would have identical effect to a random lynch.

[askbob]

I want summaries from all active players.

[Zag]

Hi, askbob. Welcome.

Here's my summary. I set myself up pretty strongly against Amb, yesterday. I was quite sure he was scum and I felt pretty smug as I convinced people to vote for him. Then he turned out to be a townie, and I feel pretty stupid. This is after I was pretty sure that MNOWAX was also scum, but then the scum killed him in a night kill. So I pretty much don't trust my guesses at all. Although it is completely uncharacteristic for me to do anything but to play a game as hard as I can, I'm going to sit back this day and not try to convince anyone of anything.

I would tell you that I'm a townie, in spite of the evidence. I am. But I'd say that if I were scum, too. So you'll have to make up your own mind.