Amb Mafia It's over, Who won?

[lexprod]

I'm hoping everyone has had finals this week, cause we haven't had a post since Saturday. I prodded isauteikisa, the only player yet to post this "day." If I don't see an upswing come this weekend a deadline will be set.
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[isauteikisa]

OUCH! *rubs the prodded area*

Let's get this out of the way: OMGUS Vote: Quailman

Full analysis, and a response to askbob, later. Sorry I haven't been paying close attention, work's gotten crazy >.<
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[lexprod]

Memorial Day Weekend and such I'm sure, regardless: DEALINE Friday by midnight.
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[Undercover Monk]

same two weeks ago I had a wedding and last week was crazy on the work front will hope to be all caught up by Wed or so.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Poisonium]

I'm not entirely sure how to summarize myself, but I believe I haven't been on any lynches yet. That is probably the most relevant information about me.

[isauteikisa]

I like my vote where it is. Quailman seems to be on a 'lynch the lurker' path, which I believe isn't a good idea at this point. Trying to target people that you don't think will defend themselves, especially since (I think) we're Lynch or Lose at this point, gives an extremely scummy vibe for me. I'm keeping my vote squarely on Quailman.

Still standing by my belief that Zag isn't scum.

At this point, we're 6 alive, 4 to lynch. Assuming 2 mafia, we're Lynch or Lose at this point; assuming one mafia, tomorrow is Lynch or Lose (unless we no-lynch for the better math, which will stretch the game one more phase).

What do we still have alive? I haven't heard a cop talk yet. If there is one, this may be a good time for them to speak up.
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[Zag]

Well, I appreciate it, isa. I'm inclined to trust your judgment, since mine has been so very bad. I don't want to accidentally hammer, though, so...

Can we get an official vote count? Sorry that I'm too lazy to do it myself at the moment.

Honestly, I'm surprised that the mafia hasn't jumped all over me for pushing so hard against Amb. I had planned on that being the telling sign of who was scum, though it would only convince me, I suppose.

[Quailman]

You'd like a cop to speak up, wouldn't you? When you say "Assuming 2 mafia", are you including yourself?

confirm vote: isauteikisa

I don't think it matters at this point. It's time to stick a fork in this game. If we don't lynch a scum today, and there's only a few hours left in which to do it, I think we're through. No one seems to have time to participate for the last two weeks. Four posts in 13 days, including a "sorry, I've been busy" and an OMGUS vote.

Right now, the only guy I trust is Zag.

[Quailman]

bah! Zag posted while I was typing mine.

The vote count is 1 for isauteikisa and 1 for me.

Zag, I'm not sure why the scum would get after you for pushing to lynch a townie.

Anyway, there's no way to find them if they won't post.

[lexprod]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT FOR LAZIES

1 isauteisika (Quailman)
1 Quailman (isauteisika)

Deadline in 10 and a half hours.
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[Undercover Monk]

oh crap well time for a quick re-read
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Quailman]

MOD: request extension

Though I think we've had enough time, I don't see anything good coming from a rushed lynch here. Also, I'll be incommunicado the rest of the evening, should things develop poorly for me.

[Undercover Monk]

I second that motion. I am currently half finished with another recap that I think will generate discussion. give me another hour or so to get it up.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Zag]

[lexprod]

EXTENDED TO SUNDAY AT MIDNIGHT but I better see the posts...
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[Undercover Monk]

Quailman/Isautekisa (Courk)/Zag recap

Day 1

Quails First post a random vote on Sab

(randomn voting and Raekuuls (known mafia) 1st bandwagon forms)

Quails Second post: FOS Raekuul for early claiming vanilla (IMHO not actually a claim) FOSes both JDTY and Raekuul then suggests a lurker vote 2 days into the game. (could be distancing from said mafia here)

(metagaming and JDTYs wagon roleclaim occours)

Post 52: Quailman switches his vote to Raekkul

(raekuuls 2nd wagon , I dfend Raekuul. Later that same day Zag and Quailman both drop their votes and vote for the lurker Courk.)

post 77: Quailman switches vote to Courk

(the beginnings of the Zag and Amb war. I change my vote to Courk.)

post 105 and 106: Courk finally shows up

(JDTY puts her at L-1 and Courk votes are removed)

post 113: Quail switches back to Raekuul (a very townie move, looks less like distancing)

post 121: Courks votes JDTY

(raekuul joins the growing JDTY bandwagon.)

post 131: Quail defends JDTY on the basis he could not have made up that role (which he did he was just vanilla town) keep his vote where it is on mafia boss raekuul.

Post 139: Zags analysis post. Raekuul: medium high by the end, Amb medium high, Quial medium,

Post 142: Courk makes vague suspicions about raekuul. (possible distancing)

Posts 143-144: Quail comments on the slowing game and FOSes Zag but keeps his vote on Raekuul.

(a lot of nothing happens most of us including Cork and Quail are in either JDTY or Rae camp.)


post 163: From the blue Quail votes Sabliminal while still asserting that Raekuul is scum. His reason is a post Sab made about scum switching their votes. Quail claims it would look suspicious yet he does exactly that which paves the way for Amb to switch to JDTY. (A very suspicious post in retrospect)


(Amb a confirmed townie switches his vote to JDTY who is lynched and revealed to be town. MNOWAX is killed he was town. Day 2 begins. )

post 177: Quail defends Amb and votes Zag

post 181: Courk was sure of JDTY and doesn’t have anything to say as usual

(Sab responds to the last minute votechange by Quail but is overshadowed by early Zag/Amb rumblings and a slow start to the day.

Post 204: Quail comments on lack of activity.

(a recap by Zag and anlysis by me which has Quail as very Town and Zag as very scum. Raekuul posts stupidly right after. Zag notes his suspicious post but instead votes Amb for his hammer. Sab votes raekuul.)

post 231: Quail acknowledges Raekkul as suspicious but says Zag is the best lynch.

(here the game begins to fall apart but TGC eventually comes back and Rae adds a 4th vote to Zag. Amb immediately unvotes and votes Rae. RM votes Rae. Courk is finally replaced by Isatekisa. He posts a good analysis and was Zag friendly and anti Quail and Raekuul. To save the game raekuul is lynched but TGC had disappeared so Lexprod took over.)

Thread #2

Raekkul the mafia godfather is lynched and RM the town doc is killed.

Post 14: Quail mentions zag being anti raekuul thus pro town

Post 18: Quail again backs Zag

(and so begins the great Zag vs. Amb battle highlighted by my last recap)

post 25: Quail FOSes Amb and poison for their votes on Zag

post 34: Isa votes Amb and defends Zag

(now I add my cannons to the fight and recap and analyze the whole game and come up with Amb as scum. WRONG!)

post 39: Quailman talks about scum not keeping low profiles if they think they can kill an innocent. (which we do eventually.)

post 40: Quailman says Amb=evil and Zag=good and Sab=bad which clashes from the last day.

(Amb sensing trouble says he is suspicious of Quailman and to drag isa back into the game. As if on cue Isa posts.)

post 48 & 50: isa unvotes and does some metagaming

(I officially vote for Amb, and the deadline eventually finishes him off. Amb is lynched he was town. Sab was killed he was town. The first thing we do is tell zag it wasn’t his fault.)

post 71: Quail points out Zag helped lynch raekuul.(raekuul was lynched mainly by accident to keep the game alive I think he may be helping a scumbuddy or just trying to build an alliance)

post 76: Quail votes isa “lets lynch a lurker”(really at this stage horrible idea)

(askbob replaces and asks for summaries. Zag gives his.)

post 82: Isa OMGUS votes Quail and points out that lynching lurkers at this point is stupid. (agreed)

post 87: Zag agrees with Isa but wont put a vote till he sees a votecount.

Post 88: Quailman confirms his vote on isa. He doesn’t want the cop to talk. He also says its hopeless at this point to do anything before the deadline.

Post 92: more doublespeak. Quail says that we have had enough time to talk but he doesn’t want to rush a lynch.

(I add ato that and post this baby. I don’t think Quail thought he would get an extension or that anything would come of it. It is fairly clear to me who is scum.)
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Undercover Monk]

Phew that took forever. Sorry for the length. I did this recap the same way as the last one. I looked at mainly Quail (cause Amb said to) and Isa/Courk (cause of lurkieness) and once again skimmed zag cause I cant get a solid read on the guy. about halfway through day 1 scum bells started ringing on Quail. and this lat day has been off the charts scummieness. I glad I took the time to read through the whole thread. Quail bounces around alot but has stayed loyal to Zag. his lynch the lurkers plan is horrible and he has done a very good job of staying off the radar and let us kill ourselves if TGC hadnt abandoned us I dont think we would have ever lynched Raekuul and probably have lost the game by now.

Day 2 I was about 70/30 on Amb/Zag Im about 90% certain that Quailman is scum and as such have no fear in adding a vote. I however hope the mod will not allow this to deadline til Quail and everyone else has a chance to respond as this took over 2 OVER 9000 hours to complete. Talk DARN YOU!
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Zag]

I am convinced by isa and UM. And I hate standing by the sidelines.

Vote: Quailman

[Quailman]

So Undercover Monk thinks the cop should come out, too? Why is it that the scum always want to know who the cop is?

And UM agrees that lynching a lurker is a bad idea, but what he means to say is that lynching his comrade would not be good for the bad guys.

Hopefully Zag, who is innocent, will be able to muster enough support to linch UM, whom I would investigate tonight, but I'm sure to be dead in the morning (like this game).

Maybe saying "Lynch a lurker" was just an expression. What I meant to say was "lynch the scum".

Based on his late vote switch, I investigated Sablamnal and got innocent. Then for some reason I checked Zag. After rereading I realize I should have checked someone else. I had FOSed him during the day and got busy IRL. Zag's a good guy. No good read the next day so I randomly checked isauteikisa. He is scum!

I put the "lurker" vote out there to see who would come to his defense and go after me. Unfortunately, Zag bought in, but not until UM's attack. I requested a deadline extension in order to avoid a no-lynch.

[Poisonium]

[Poisonium]

I feel incredibly stupid not having read Quail's post throughoutly.

Sounds very interesting. I'll just give a little time for any potential counter-claim.

[Zag]

unvote Quailman.

I'll wait to see if there is a counter-claim. If not, then I'll be joining him in voting for isa.

And I'd like to comment that I absolutely suck at this game as a townie, though I am 2-for-2 victories as a mafia. Reading people is the skill I suck at in poker, too.

[Undercover Monk]

well that sucks kepping my vote where it is at the moment. but I have dropped to about 60/40

the problem is there is no way to prove yourself is to lynch you. I doubt that the mafia would kill you during the night because they can then argue that you lived so you must be lying or you are mafia and lying. We cant even be sure that there is a cop. So in the immortal words of someone famous we are screwed. The one thing we can be fairly certain of is that Quailman and Zag are essentially tied at the hip.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Quailman]

We have until midnight. With the votes 1-1, this game appears to be over, as a no-lynch favors the scum and the cop will certainly die tonight.

[lexprod]

[lexprod]

Deciding that the beach has been the site of far to many a murder, the gang of Ambs decides to relocate to a country cottage. They spend the next day en route, idly chatting, but surprisingly no manslaughter. That night however they check in to a cheap motel, and it's not a cheap motel without some murder!

The next morning when loading up the car again, one of the Ambs notices his buddy is missing (thus proving that the buddy system is without flaw). One call to the cops and battering ram later, you find Poisonium, slashed to death in the shower. Man, somebody really likes Pyscho.

Poisonium, Vanillamb, an Amb Townie, is now dead.

5 Alive, 3 to Lynch!
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[Quailman]

My investigation of UM failed last night. I do not know why I am still alive. Maybe there's a one-shot doc out there.

vote: isauteisika because he's still scum.

[Zag]

Well, I said I'd believe you as long as there wasn't a counter-claim. I missed yesterday's deadline, just from not paying attention.

vote: Isautekisa

[Undercover Monk]

first off let me say I was dissapointed in how yesterday ended. I believe discussion had picked up enough for the deadline to be dismissed. But that can wait till the end of the game. Lets look at what we have.

5 left alive.

Quailmans claimed cop and cleared me and Zag
that leaves us with isautekisa and noshow askbob.

I think we can assume 3 mafia and as one is dead that leaves us with 2 left.
So assuming Quailman is telling the truth we have our mafia. However i dont like it. Besides his non-death I think its a little too clean for my tastes. No counterclaim at all. usually with this numbers game a mafia will fake claim cop. I still suspect Quailman. That said i am in a real pickle. If Zag is the other mafia I am screwed. If it is a lurker like askbob then I have a shot if I Zag will listen. Quailman what was your investigations you still have to convince me and Zag until we decide who we will vote on will you please unvote. I dont want the mafia to jump on isa and end the game.

sorry this was really rambilly but I have about 50 scenarios running through my head.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Quailman]

[Undercover Monk]

nope not mafia only very paranoid townie.

so heres what Ive thought about this afternoon. there was a god-father so there must be a cop which would then make sense that there was a roleblocker. so it all comes down to trusting Quailman. As askbob seems to not be around the only roleblocker left is isautekisa. so If i can trust Quailman we wil have killed the roleblocker and then barring a sudden re-emergence askbob will be lynched tomorow after I have been cleared.

:However:

If Quailman is mafia then I will screw us. Soooooo Im going to go and look back at my summary with the idea that Q-man is the cop and see if his story matches his actions....

decision to be made later
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Undercover Monk]

OK after a quick readthrough Quails actions make a lot more sense. I have to hope that Amb was wrong. Here we go.

vote: Isautekisa

if Quail is playing me Im gonna look like such a fool.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Zag]

That's three. At least this day went quickly.

[lexprod]

Three of the ambs quickly huddled after the last body was found, peeking their heads up to look at one of the other ambs, muttering and squabbling. Finally they all seem to come to an agreement and pounce the other amb, while the fifth naps on the couch. Bludgeoned to death, isautekisa's body lays limp on the floor, and one of the ambs checks his pocket.

isautekisa was....Pookey, the Not Amb Mafia Roleblocker

The game is once again in night, night actions due by Sunday!
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[lexprod]

All the Ambs were taking in for questioning after the bloody mob scene that was the day before. Locked up in their cell the night proved uneasy, as they still hadn't figured out all the impostors. Shortly after the call of "lights out" came a muffled choking sound, but all the other Ambs were to frightened to do anything, hoping to make it to morning alive...

Zag was found smothered to death the next morning by the Warden. The three remaining prisoners continued to squabble over who exactly was the guilty party through the day...

Zag 'Amb the relatively permanent' has been killed. He was an Amb Townie. On the first night he had 100% immunity from a NK, then 25% less each following night, with no immunity this past night.

Also, MatthewV has been nice enough to replace into this game, for askbob. With only 3 players left, there will be no deadlining unless there is absolutely NO other solution. Good luck to everyone.
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[Quailman]

I'm still alive???

Undercover Monk turned out to be Townie. I don't know how my investigation could have been screwed up. Role-Blocking Mafia is dead. the GF is dead. So either UM or the replacing MatthewV is Mafia.

[Zag]

Gaaaaah! Go Town! Ack! ~overly-dramatic death throes~

[isauteikisa]

Go Tow.... wait, that's not my line.

Mwahahahahaha, go scum!
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[Quailman]

Well, my suspicion of UM had been based on his support of isauteikisa and wanting the cop to reveal himself. Perhaps he's a "looks innocent" mafia, just as isauteikisa was the role-blocking mafia, but that role is usually reserved for the GF. I'd like to hear the thoughts of the other two before casting a vote.

[MatthewV]

I have kinda-sorta read through the thread. Well, this thread only.

Maybe I will look closer now that there are only two people to examine.