Amb Mafia It's over, Who won?

[lexprod]

Hey ya'll, about to call this game back into play, and this will be the main game thread. I'm still waiting on four people's PMs on their roles or lack thereof, and giving them a week. If anyone would be willing to replace in, let me know (including the deceased). Otherwise I will kill them upon their lack of response. I'm gonna try to remedy this game with some cutthroat-modding.


Ambs [3/12]:
1. Undercover Monk - Confirmed
11. Quailman - Confirmed


Late Ambs (Lynched or Killed) [9/12]:
10. JDTAmby (JDTAY) - 'Amb the Wagon Driver' - Vanilla Amb Townie - Lynched Day 1
3. MNOWAmbX (MNOWAX) - 'The Ambassador' - Amb Mason - Killed Night 1
4. raekuul - 'Undercover Monk the NotAmbfather' - Not Amb Godfather - Lynched Day 2
6. ralphmerridew - 'Doc Amb' - Amb Doctor Townie - Killed Night 2
7. Amb - 'Amb the Naturally Scummy' - Amb Towine - Killed Day 3
8. sAbLLImiNal - 'Ambitious Amb' - Amb Townie - Killed Night 3
12. Poisonium - 'Vanillamb' - Amb Townie - Killed Night 4
5. Courk isauteisika - 'Pooky' - Not Amb Roleblocker - Killed Day 5
2. Zag - 'Amb the Relatively Permanent' - Townie - Killed Night 5
9. milkshake askbob MatthewV - 'MatthewV' - Mafia Goon - Killed Day 6

[lexprod]

All the Ambs, inspired by the start of spring, have decided to go outside sunbathing at the beach. Eventually all end up nambpping out in the sun for days, weeks, and then months, the sun seeming to never go down. When they wake up one of the Amb's says "Oh crap, we haven't voted yet guys!" After a discusion some of the Ambs decided they've had enough and ambgree to take one of the Ambs out to sea, and drown him in the ambzure waves.

With six votes, the town has lynched Raekuul.

As the Ambs drag the body back to the sambd, they discover quite an usual bulge in Raekuul's bathing suit. One of the Ambs reaches in and discovers a note right below the corpse's ambdomen.

Raekuul was...Undercover Monk part of the Not-Amb Mafia! In fact he was the Not-Ambfather, who was in charge of the kill decision each night, and would appear innocent to any investigations.

So with the Ambs elated, they decide to hold a bonfire on the beach and sleep under the stars. Unfortunately for them, the Not-Ambs are still at work and may strike again toinght.

IT IS NOW TWILIGHT. POWER AMBS MUST SEND DECISIONS IN 7 DAYS TIME. If you can't make the deadline you must let me know, otherwise no mercy on missing the deadline. Tough love.

Sorry guys about having it split between two threads, but feel free to look back at the other, just do NOT post anything game-related in there from now on.

[lexprod]

THE RULES - Stolen from Amb, who stole it from Amb, who swiped it from Amb, who sneakily-deakily pulled it out from under Amb's nose, who stole it from Amb, who lifted it from Amb...

1. Have fun and don't be a jerk. Please have consideration for the other players and the mod, and actually PLAY the game by posting and voting.

2. No communication outside the thread unless your role allows you to do so and then only when specified.

3. Get your choices in before the deadlines. If not, a random choice will be made for the first night, and no choice for subsequent nights.

4. No quoting my or others e-mails/PMs/etc.

5. If you're dead YOU'RE DEAD. No more posting relevant information after that. A 'bah, go town' or 'bah, go mafia' post is allowed.

6. Lynching will be carried out once a regular majority is reached - and cannot be undone by unvoting. If I impose a day deadline, the option with the most votes will happen. In case of a tie, first come first served. In the endgame (six players or less) only lynches with a regular majority will occur.

7. Only votes in BOLD will be counted. Please clearly unvote if you want to change your vote.

8. Do NOT edit or delete your posts! If you made a coding error, just post again.

9. Do NOT post in invisible text.

10. You are not allowed to quote or paraphrase your winning condition, unless you want to risk a modslaying.

11. It is risky to lynch someone based on spelling errors in their role name.

12. The mod is always right. Accept the decisions, and if you want to discuss them, take it to private message (I'll allow this), or do so after the game has finished.

13. I feel the need to stress this: Have fun! Remember, it could be a lot worse.

14. NO LYNCH is allowed, and requires a normal majority, or if the most votes at the end of a deadline are for No Lynch, there will be no lynch.

[lexprod]

Two days until the night deadline!

[lexprod]

Deadline is tomorrow! Day should break by Sunday so get ready to post your face off.

[lexprod]

The Ambs awake the next morning to the calm sounds of waves lapping the sands, the warm greeting of the sun, and the rancid smell of human flesh and blood. A swarm of seagulls hide what was a body, one of the Ambs lays, minus a leg. What at first glance looks like a shark attack, is revealed to be the work of a hacksaw after the autopsy. ralphmerridew's next of kin were notified, and after a brief inspection of his personal affects it is discovered that he was in fact....

Doc Amb, a townie doctor. He could choose any one player to save with his AMBulance, who could not be killed by the mafia. He could not attempt to save himself, a skill that would have helped him last night.

Day 3 Breaks, Good luck Ambs! With 8 Alive it takes 5 to Lynch!

[ralphmerridew]

When the seagulls cry, there shall be Amb survivors... Go town!

[Poisonium]

And the mafia kills off our power role, making it 1-1!

[raekuul]

(Sung to the tune of Ode to Joy)

Bah bah bah bah
bah bah bah bah
bah bah bah bah
Ba~h bah bah,

Bah bah bah bah
bah bah bah bah
bah bah bah bah
Ba~h bah bah

Bwa~hahahahahahaha
Bwahahahahahahahaha

Bah bah bah bah
bah bah bah bah
bah bah bah bah
BAAAAAH BAH BAH!

[Amb]

[Undercover Monk]

After that kill I am tempted to vote Amb. For some reason I seem to remeber a game where he killed off a semi-lurker to try and keep a game afloat. But the problem with that is we are all lurkers this game. hmmm.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Amb]

Remember 'a' game...? I do it all the time. But generally I get turned down to do it because my 'teams' stop me.

If you vote me on that basis, you would seriously need to stop and think to yourself - is this a good way to even find scum? Likewise it can be argued back that you performed the kill and then wanted to use it to frame me. etc etc etc. It is ultimately, nearly always, futile.

[Undercover Monk]

well yeah and we stry into WIFOM but it just struck me that milkshake would make a better lurker kill so there goes that theory. if I didn't have a big test in a couple hours I would do a thread review. But it will have to wait until later in the week.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Quailman]

I really need to go back and reread the other thread. I don't understand this comment:

[Zag]

Well, I was always more suspicious of Amb than of raekuul. In fact, for a while I believed raekuul because he stuck to his guns in his claim when he had a decent chance to back out of it. But the more he spoke, the more I suspected him. He finally rose above Amb, in my suspicion level, so I switched over to him. It isn't that Amb went down, at all.

But him trying to paint me as having a relationship with raekuul strikes me as even more suspicious.

FOS: Amb (that is the Amb Amb, not the rest of us Ambs.)

[Amb]

[Zag]

[Quailman]

I agree with Zag.

[Amb]

Zag:

His third post, and first of real content:

[lexprod]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT as of 4-23

Zag 2 (Amb, Poisonium)
Amb 1 (Zag)

:taps his fingers on the desk: A day without posts makes me angry...and you don't wanna see me when I'm angry.

[Zag]

Well, if you can read that rant and think he is anything but scum, then, by all means, vote for me.

Vote: Amb

[Poisonium]

[Amb]

If Zag *is* town, then he is being rather unfair on me when I can show that my thoughts were not without rationale.

[Poisonium]

Vote: Zag

[Quailman]

FOS: Amb and Poisonium

Zag led the move to lynch raekuul, and now you two want to off him in revenge.

[Poisonium]

[Zag]

Just in case you've forgotten, the last minute switch to change the day 1 vote from raekuul to JDTAY, even after pretending to push pretty hard for raekuul, was Amb.

[sAbLLimINal]

*Rises from a long sleep*

Well first off I'm sorry, school just got the best of me.

Anyways, I've only taken the time to just read this thread, I'll try to go back and analyze what I've missed whenever I have time.

So, my thoughts:

[Amb]

Mod - can we prod any remaining player who hasn't posted please?

[lexprod]

[lexprod]

If discussion does not pick up, I will go to night on Friday. Whoever has the most votes on midnight friday, or got the most votes first, will be lynched. It's your game people, PLAY IT.

[sAbLLimINal]

Lynching Zag or Amb is perfectly fine with me at this point. Although my suspicions may change if Zag answers why he decided to keep his identity a secret. Kindof a dumb question but it might be useful. For now I will vote Amb to make it a tie. Maybe that'll spice things up.

[Amb]

Well I think Zag and I have both posted enough to say we are actively at least trying. There is now more than enough posted to accuse any player in this game. So lets have it people...

[isauteikisa]

Vote: Amb

Here's the thing. I still believe my pro-town read from before on Zag - his initial posts and play have been anything but scummy in my opinion. Amb has a couple of points, but I don't like his push to lynch Zag, and (with not much else going on) that's enough reason at the moment to vote him. My vote on Amb puts us at L-2, if I'm right. Let's not rush to a lynch, but play does need to pick back up *glares at self*.

I'll have a more substantial post this weekend, hopefully - I'm taking 3 days off, and while I'll be moving a friend to OK I'll probably have a spare evening to write down some thoughts, if we don't go to night Friday.
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I'm male, people.

[Undercover Monk]

I took over an hour to re-read the old thread and digest what has happened in this game. Its a bit long but I think very clearly shows the case against Zag.


Zag’s posts

Confirmation posts “I amb what I amb” funny

First vote: Amb

Second Vote: (later that same day) JDTAY

(At this point in the game a three vote bandwagon formed on Raekuul who we now know as scum)

post 27: Zag asks if there is a strategy for day 1. Mentions the raekuul bandwagon but does not add a vote. (could be distancing)

(Raekuul posts his innocence the liar)

post 30 (same day) raekuul believes him and comlians about the difference in moderating and playing.

(Over the next week a discussion over the merits of metagaming occours with not a lot of . Also the JDTY bandwagon gained speed and he claimed Amb with Ambrosia a power role. The bandwagon fell apart.)

Third Vote: Raekuul (to pressure a claim)

(a Raekuul bandwagon forms, opposed by myself OPPS. Courk is also targeted for being a lurkerer. Amb firs votes for Zag )

Post 84: Zag defends his attack with the reasoning that Courk is smarter so her absence .

(Courk and Poisonium come back, JDTAY acts like an idiot, and the waters are generally muddied.)

post 139: an analysis
raekuul: not scum then in the same post raised to high
JDTAY: not scum tied to raekuul
Courk: medium
Amb: medium tied to Courk
MNOWAX: high
Vote: MNOWAX
(a good analysis post but the raekuul wish-washy feeling are suspicious)

(at this point the day drgagged on and two bandwagons re-formed JDTAY led by me and the raekuul bandwagon. Amb switched his vote right before deadline and JDTAY was lynched he was vanilla.)
post 178: pointed out Ambs last minute switch and hammer.

(he takes heat from several people for his post wich looking back doesn’t seem as scummy.)

post 206: Zag claimed power role. (Raekuul unvoted immediately)

(at this point I posted an analysis with Zag at the top. Amb was at 9/10 if Raekuul was scum. Raekuul then basically gave away he was scum on post 218. I didn’t catch it the first time through but check it out. Anyway a rabid debate accored over the scummieness of Amb, Zag, and Raekuul. Amb switched his vote from Zag to Raekuul. Isautekisa replaced Courk and threw Zag some support.)

Post 268: accuses me of protecting raekuul. (very suspicious post after I switched my vote to rm. Partially could be stress. The game nearly ends if not for the action of lexprod and the lynching of Raekuul.)


After re-reading all of this I find all the things that made me suspicious of Zag were not that big. When I re-read Ambs hammer at the end of day 1 that immediately set off scum bells in my head. Also Courk who I really didn’t suspect in either read-through or real-time was replaced by Isa who with a fresh perspective believed Zag that along with my read-through have me convinced. I am intending to change my vote to Amb unless I get a good response to convince me otherwise.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Zag]

Thanks for the vote of confidence, UM.

When you said that raekuul gave away that he was scum in post 218, I believe you mean 217. 218 was my post in which I came to the same conclusion, though at the time I was still holding Amb higher in suspicion. (Both very high, though)

The really interesting post, though, is 219! quoted here:

[milkshake]

I'm alive. Just at the end of the semester. And you know what that means. Anyway, I will try to find time to post ASAP.

[Amb]

FOr those who think I am mafia because I am actually playing the game. Ask yourself two things. 1. Why wouldnt I keep a low profile right now if I was scum. and 2. What will happen to this game when you lynch the real Amb.

My role is stated in the other thread. Zag has done enough to be considered Scummy, but all those piling on me can also be construed as mafia-ete because they clearly have no interest in raising points on other players.

[Quailman]

You wouldn't keep a low profile if you're scum because you want to lynch an innocent and then kill one tonight, even if you get lynched tomorrow, though I could envision you trying to finagle your way out of that. I really don't see anything summy in what Zag has done. Yesterday I thought so, because I foolishly believed raekuul. In hindsight I think Zag is clearly town.

The first day I thought sAbLLimINal's late day maneuvering was shady, but now I think he's okay too. Anyone else I am not so certain about.

I'll look back at things to see if I get any scumy vibes from anyone other than amb.

[lexprod]

Deadline cancelled.