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Amb
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:44 pm    Post subject: 41 Reply with quote

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That said I still could easily vote for FireMeBoy too...


Immediately after I say this, one person unvotes FMB, and another one votes FMB. I don't know what to make of that, but it seems sort of quaint that that just happened. Probably neither of them read my post due to its lack of actual content.
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Internet Stranger
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:55 pm    Post subject: 42 Reply with quote

Wow. Not only are players from 10 years ago, but thestyle of play is 10 years old too.

My vote stays.

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Sofis
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:06 pm    Post subject: 43 Reply with quote

Amb wrote:
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That said I still could easily vote for FireMeBoy too...


Immediately after I say this, one person unvotes FMB, and another one votes FMB. I don't know what to make of that, but it seems sort of quaint that that just happened. Probably neither of them read my post due to its lack of actual content.


I unvoted because my reason for voting for him (he hadn't posted) was no longer valid.

Internet Stranger wrote:
Wow. Not only are players from 10 years ago, but thestyle of play is 10 years old too.


I sure hope you weren't expecting anything else. Felicitous
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:25 pm    Post subject: 44 Reply with quote

If I had doubts before, I don't now. IS certainly hasn't changed in 10 years.

I don't have the pics you'd be interested in, L'lanmal does. Good luck getting him to share.

Now back to the game.

I was cutting you some slack CzarJ because you had posted in the restricted access thread but now you say you hadn't posted because you didn't have anything substantive to say. What did you expect? It's day one. We'll never have anything to work with unless people post.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:12 pm    Post subject: 45 Reply with quote

Vote Count: 8 to lynch.

Internet Stranger: 4 (Antrax, Courk, HyToFry, firemeboy)
Amb: 3 (Elayne, Dragon Phoenix, Alfie)
Alfie: 2 (Quailman, Luna)
HyToFry: 2 (mole, Amb)
Sofis: 2 (L'lanmal, Internet Stranger)
firemeboy: 1 (CzarJ)

Not Voting: 1 (Sofis)
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:14 pm    Post subject: 46 Reply with quote

Lack of anything substantive to say has never been a hindrance before.

I am not Mafia. I have no idea if any of the other players are Mafia. My finger of suspicion is not pointing anywhere. Enthusiastic Grin

Unvote: Sofis
I'm not up for Global Thermonuclear War yet either.
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Amb
Amb the Hitched.



PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:54 pm    Post subject: 47 Reply with quote

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On topic, I am not a big fan of randomly picking someone to lynch, but I suppose that's how games get started. And while I don't particularly appreciate L'lanmal's vote, voting for someone who hasn't posted yet is a relatively reasonable method.

random.org says
Vote: firemeboy


Quote:

I unvoted because my reason for voting for him (he hadn't posted) was no longer valid.


hmmmm?

So is that a genuine slip, or were you random.org'ing the non posters. I can't tell, so I am ignoring for now.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:03 am    Post subject: 48 Reply with quote

Amb wrote:
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On topic, I am not a big fan of randomly picking someone to lynch, but I suppose that's how games get started. And while I don't particularly appreciate L'lanmal's vote, voting for someone who hasn't posted yet is a relatively reasonable method.

random.org says
Vote: firemeboy


Quote:

I unvoted because my reason for voting for him (he hadn't posted) was no longer valid.


hmmmm?

So is that a genuine slip, or were you random.org'ing the non posters. I can't tell, so I am ignoring for now.


The latter. "voting for someone who hasn't posted yet is a relatively reasonable method." was supposed to indicate that, but I suppose that wasn't entirely unambiguous.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:51 am    Post subject: 49 Reply with quote

Just poking my head in to say something unsubstantive. Insubstantive? Nonsubstantive? Pointless.
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Amb
Amb the Hitched.



PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:25 am    Post subject: 50 Reply with quote

Yeah Sofis, I wondered as much. I don't want to be guilty of over reading stuff especially on day 1.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:16 am    Post subject: 51 Reply with quote

Unvote: IS
*points finger in general direction of fmb*
Just because he placed the 4th vote against IS. Hy's vote I can chalk up to nostalgia and what not, but I'm not sure that's like fmb. But then I don't even remember him playing mafia, so clearly that doesn't mean much.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:40 am    Post subject: 52 Reply with quote

I'm unhappy with IS' pre-excuse for not posting when it's uncomfortable for him. It probably checks out (though seriously, "US tour"?), but it'll make proving that he's scum a lot harder. However, as you may have guessed, it wasn't a slip anyone made before the game started that led me to vote IS, so that's it for that vote for now.
unvote: IS
Luckily some new stuff sprang up since. For one, I beat Elayne at banter, which is always nice. I dislike Alfie's "I'm voting amb because of Elayne" for obvious reasons. Sofis is acting very weird, but if my crotchety old memory serves me (and it might not -- I thought the list was mole's gimmick), Sofis always acts weird.
So, after this quality, in-depth analysis, there are only three possible logical moves: I can vote Courk or Czarj so I'll stop getting confused between them, I can vote Luna because nobody is, or I can actually do some good and vote: Dragon Phoenix. The bold tags have spoken. Die die die suck DP scum.

Also, could I have used semicolons in that "logical moves" sentence above? I originally had them but they looked kinda weird so I changed them back to colons.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:06 am    Post subject: 53 Reply with quote

Antrax wrote:
Also, could I have used semicolons in that "logical moves" sentence above? I originally had them but they looked kinda weird so I changed them back to colons.


It seems the colon was correct: http://web2.uvcs.uvic.ca/elc/studyzone/410/grammar/colons.htm
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:12 pm    Post subject: 54 Reply with quote

You should edit your post to put the semi-colons back (though it looks like you changed them to commas rather than colons).
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 3:36 pm    Post subject: 55 Reply with quote

Ah, but editing his post might look suspicious, as it is technically against the rules. Extreme Delectation

The colon is correct, though I believe you could have separated the clauses with semicolons due to their size. If the logical move clauses had contained commas, you'd have had to use semicolons. Also, you're using the Oxford Comma, which is fine as long as the use is consistent.

I'm going to stop now before people decide to start lynching Grammar Nazis. Extreme Delectation

As for the game, I'll admit that I'm more than a little rusty. I'm just casting my first vote based on the extremely little information that we have at the moment. Elayne's logic held at least as much water as any of the other arguments, so I'll keep my second. Perhaps a scumlord will let something slip to avoid the statistically probable miscarriage of justice that seems to be required in the first round.

Also, I'll withdraw my fingers of suspicion, though I still don't like logicless bandwagons. I suppose somebody has to vote first.
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HyToFry
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 3:46 pm    Post subject: 56 Reply with quote

Sticking to my guns.

*unrelated... the other day, I edited a post wordcross made because I wanted to fix his url tags, but there was no indication that I had made the edit. Did we change that when I wasn't looking?
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Amb
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:39 pm    Post subject: 57 Reply with quote

If the post was the last post in the thread at the time, the edit isnt recorded.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:14 pm    Post subject: 58 Reply with quote

People with l33t powers can edit posts undetectedly. IINM, Hy has such powers.
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HyToFry
Drama queen



PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:17 pm    Post subject: 59 Reply with quote

He does.
It wasn't the last post.
I didn't know we'd done it that way.
Learned something new today.
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Paragon of Mafia Hunters



PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:08 pm    Post subject: 60 Reply with quote

Why isnt Sofis lynched yet?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:16 pm    Post subject: 61 Reply with quote

They like me more than they like you. Razz
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:18 pm    Post subject: 62 Reply with quote

A finger of annoyance to Quailman for suggesting that Antrax edit his post.

I'm still sitting here with an unused vote. I admit I'm tempted to vote IS just because people are unvoting him. I'm perverse that way.

Amb certainly has made up for lost time in posting frequency. (Not that it makes him innocent.)

I'm leaning Alfie at the moment, just because his repeated reference to scumlords letting things slip. I can picture him thinking "Don't let anything slip, don't let anything slip" as he types that.

So Vote: Alfie for now.
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Elayne
*gets sappy with L'lanmal*



PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:50 pm    Post subject: 63 Reply with quote

My vote for Amb was based on his silence. He's posted now, and quite frequently, though without a lot of content to his posts. This posting streak of his could be over compensation on his part to avoid suspecion, but I thought I remember Amb being a high volume poster in general. For now, I'll choose to accept that he was sick and it kept him from posting early. I am not sure I accept that he is innocent, but for now
Unovte: Amb

I am alternately flattered and annoyed with all these reference's to Elayne's logic. Flattered if they think I am being insightful, annoyed if they can't come up with logic of their own to post, or worse, scum trying to set me up to take the blame when they start a bandwagon for an innocent.

So Alfie, which do you fall into of the above? Let's find out.
Vote Alfie
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HyToFry
Drama queen



PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:22 am    Post subject: 64 Reply with quote

Unvote: IS
Vote: L'lanmal


This is based on a couple of things, but mostly my gut instinct.

L'l said that he wanted to vote for the role of "Sofis" instead of the player Sofis, and I wasn't entirely sure what he meant until tonight when I had some time to do some digging (now that people have posted.) He was the first to mention the players in the old game who were mafia. This tells me that he's researched the old game (which I haven't done), or he has an incredible memory (which I don't, so I don't remember if he does or not.)

Mostly, however, it feels as if L'l is pretty excited about this game. I remember I was more excited about games where I was mafia then games where I was nothing.

And before anyone has a chance to say something, yes I could have stayed my vote until after he's had a chance to answer, but there isn't anyone voting for him yet, and my hopes of a quick IS kill are diminishing.

*Unrelated: I just made the input box that I'm typing on bigger. Is that a GL thing, or is that a Chrome thing? Hmm... seems to work on other sites too. Man Chrome is awesome.
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Amb
Amb the Hitched.



PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:34 am    Post subject: 65 Reply with quote

Just a couple of comments.

Firstly, thanks for the unvote.

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My vote for Amb was based on his silence. He's posted now, and quite frequently, though without a lot of content to his posts


What exactly do you expect on day 1. In depth analysis and brilliant reasoning? Short of a scum posting in bold "Im scum, vote me, lynch me up by my unmentionables*" any person we lynch today will really just be random, for silly reasons and most likely be incorrect. If we lynch a scum we can't even claim credit. Even my upcoming vote for you further down this post *has* to be considered in this light.

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...but I thought I remember Amb being a high volume poster in general

Revenge most foul!

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I am not sure I accept that he is innocent, but for now...

At this stage of the game, you shouldn't be accepting anyone as innocent. But leaving a door open so you can justify a vote later on is a slight bit scummy.

Quote:

annoyed if they can't come up with logic of their own to post

Again - expecting too much logic on day one to actually signify anything. Anyone who does spool out a diatribe now about why person XYZ has to be scum is either naive and innocent or scum themselves. If this is still happening on day 3 or 4 - string them up.

I also don't like the very direct attempt to force a bandwagon on Alfie when the "logic of your own" is just blatantly lynch and see. That's not much different to playing like IS, and we only need 1 of him.

Unvote; Vote Elayne. It's not much to go on, but she is ever so slightly more scummy than anyone else at the moment.



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Antrax
ESL Student



PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 5:41 am    Post subject: 66 Reply with quote

I disagree that day 1 is hopelessly random. Often you can end up with the "most informative" lynch, i.e. find out the alignment of whoever acted the weirdest towards specific other people. It's not pure gold, but it's not naive to expect to catch scum on day 1 (or, worst case, as a direct result of day 1 actions).
I also am amused that Hy prefaces his post with "based on gut feeling" and then gives a logical explanation for his actions Ecstatic Happiness
And yeah, I meant commas, not colons. The Hebrew word for "semicolon" is literally "dotcomma", so in my head there's the idea that the second half of "semicolon" is "comma".
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 5:59 am    Post subject: 67 Reply with quote

Technically, the second (bottom) half of a semi-colon is a comma. =D

In fact: I never understood why a colon is not the semi-colon; the semi-colon has more sustenance to it.

Also. I'm glad I amuse you, but a hunch can certainly be logical. =p
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Elayne
*gets sappy with L'lanmal*



PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:42 am    Post subject: 68 Reply with quote

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What exactly do you expect on day 1. In depth analysis and brilliant reasoning?


No, as you said, there is often not enough information on day 1. Sometimes someone slips, but most of the time it is as you said, it is a lot randomness, gut feelings and/or the mods setting a deadline.

That said, Alfie continues to use my "logic" to justify voting for you. So then why exactly, is my logic based on your having not posted yet, a reason to place the third vote on you AFTER you have already posted?

I'll admit I could have unvoted you, gave Alfie another FOS and let him respond, but since that would have been the second time, I would rather vote him and hope to get an answer.
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L'lanmal
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:14 am    Post subject: 69 Reply with quote

HyToFry wrote:
And before anyone has a chance to say something, yes I could have stayed my vote until after he's had a chance to answer

I'll take this to mean you are expecting a response.

Well, my posts are well-researched and insightful because I'm awesome! Thanks for noticing. (If it makes a difference, I may have reviewed the first mafia game before roles were assigned.)

And I sound excited about this game because, strangely enough, I'm happy quite a bit. Also, because I am awesome. Ladies and gentlemen of the GL, I plead "not guilty by reason of awesomeness".
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Elayne
*gets sappy with L'lanmal*



PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:20 am    Post subject: 70 Reply with quote

Posts like this are why I married the man Extreme Delectation
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Antrax
ESL Student



PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:10 pm    Post subject: 71 Reply with quote

Your lifelong dream was to marry a Barney Stinson impersonator?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:16 pm    Post subject: 72 Reply with quote

Firstly Extreme Delectation at Antrax.
That is all.
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Luna
Goth Limey Chick



PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:40 pm    Post subject: 73 Reply with quote

I'm in the middle of moving house and don't have regular internet access, but I'm just dropping by to say something unsubstantive and to Unvote: Alfie.

I'll think about who I'm re-assigning my vote to, and let you all know next time I can get online (tomorrow, hopefully).
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:57 pm    Post subject: 74 Reply with quote

Elayne wrote:
Flattered if they think I am being insightful, annoyed if they can't come up with logic of their own to post, or worse, scum trying to set me up to take the blame when they start a bandwagon for an innocent.

So Alfie, which do you fall into of the above? Let's find out.


I'm not sure insightful is the right word. Your post simply had the best logic of any at the point I read them. Even his posting after you didn't change all that much. Nevertheless, I wouldn't want to be seen trying to set you up for anything. Extreme Delectation The target of our lynch is largely arbitrary (though not entirely.) What is most revealing to me is the logic used to perform the lynch. That is what is going to help us catch the scum.

Nevertheless, you are correct. The logic doesn't really apply at this point. So, if I have to pick a "lynch and see" target, it might as well be you:

Unvote: Amb
Vote: Elayne

Maybe we'll get lucky. At least nobody will think I was setting you up to take the fall. Extreme Delectation However, Quailman, Courk, and Luna get fingers of suspicion for failing to post much substantive by this point. Consider my fingers automatically withdrawn when they post.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:56 am    Post subject: 75 Reply with quote

I don't understand. You agree that the logic for a lynch is going to reveal a lot, but when challenged to explian your own vote you flip back to "it's all arbitrary, so why don't I just vote for you!"?

Anyway, Elayne can't be mafia if Lepton's not in the game.

Unvote: HyToFry

That said, Amb is pushing that "it's only day 1" argument even harder, to the point where he's actively discouraging discussion, so I'll Vote: Amb. How was that vote at all a blatant attempt to start a bandwagon?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:58 am    Post subject: 76 Reply with quote

Also, "die die die suck DP scum", that one is my gimmick. Well, one I stole from mith.
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Alfie
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 2:44 pm    Post subject: 77 Reply with quote

mole wrote:
I don't understand. You agree that the logic for a lynch is going to reveal a lot, but when challenged to explian your own vote you flip back to "it's all arbitrary, so why don't I just vote for you!"?


Not all arbitrary. Just mostly arbitrary. And I said why I selected Elayne. She's accused me of trying to set her up for a fall by voting with her. Since whoever we lynch is statistically likely to be innocent, the person who first voted for that person will come under scrutiny. Likewise the people who voted with that person. If Elayne is scum (maybe she's a Stepford GLer or something Extreme Delectation, poor L'lanmal), then everybody wins. If not, then I want my vote for her to cast the least suspicion on me: the only person I know is actually innocent.

Of course, my reasoning may not be perfect (feel free to improve on it), but I'm tossing it out there to show I have nothing to hide. Of course, you can clearly not choose the glass in front of you and all that. Extreme Delectation That's what makes things fun!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 4:47 pm    Post subject: 78 Reply with quote

Unvote amb
Vote czarj


Quote:
Just poking my head in to say something unsubstantive. Insubstantive? Nonsubstantive? Pointless.


Let's hear something more inunsubstantive. Like a vote.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 5:25 pm    Post subject: 79 Reply with quote

Alfie wrote:
[However, Quailman, Courk, and Luna get fingers of suspicion for failing to post much substantive by this point. Consider my fingers automatically withdrawn when they post.


Well, if you're going to be like that I'll re-vote for you. Cannibal

Seriously though, I'm not posting much and won't be for another few days because a) I really don't have consistent internet access until next Friday, and b) I was, er, never actually particularly good at Mafia and was pretty much only invited to play here for tradition's sake 'cause I was in the first one. I'm not sure I've ever said anything substantive in any Mafia game ever, in fact. If I did, it was probably a fluke.

No vote yet then, but finger of tentative suspicion re-pointed at Alfie. Not just for FoSing me (honest), but I have to agree with mole that his logic seems a tiny bit... slippery, there.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 5:36 pm    Post subject: 80 Reply with quote

You always blow me off, DP Melancholy It's like I'm not cool enough to hang around with you. Of course, that particular indicator has a good success rate at finding out when you're mafia, so anyone who wants to join on the DP wagon, I'd appreciate it. If life were fair I'd have had like five votes in every game and wouldn't need to ask like this, but we live in an imperfect world.
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