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bonanova
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jesternl
Yankee Doodle Dutchie

 Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:31 pm    Post subject: 2 And this took you how long to make up?
Zag
Tired of his old title

 Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 2:05 pm    Post subject: 3 I saw there was a response to this thread and I thought, Oh good, at least somebody is willing to make a stab at this. But I guess not. It is clearly too much for me, though I admire the puzzle-making.
bonanova
Daedalian Member

Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 2:48 pm    Post subject: 4

 jesternl wrote: And this took you how long to make up?

Blame it on a cold and an evening with nothing else to do.

It's not that hard. There are several questions that need to be answered and when taken in the right order it kind of falls apart by itself. A helpful clue, which I'm willing to give if anyone wants it, is the first question that needs to be answered. i.e., It's just about the only question whose answer can be deduced solely from the clues, so you have to tackle it first.
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ralphmerridew
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 Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:06 pm    Post subject: 5 Well, I guess the first question is On what day did everything start? And AFAICT, the answer must be Monday The definition of Knave confuses me. Is the sentence about speaking in a group there for a reason? (There's also the fact that "Knave" is typically used for what you call a liar.) I guess the second part is analyzing the Y/N question given before the others. That part really confuses me. My best guess is that it's supposed to mean that the four people are of different types. The knight and liar are the senile ones and can answer immediately. The knave answers next, needing only to remember his/her last statement. The chameleon needs the hearing aid, to know whether the knave told the truth or lied. I'm not sure how the deaf / senile parts interact with the 12 statements. For example, can we be sure that the people who made statements 2 and 11 are not senile? If all my logic up to this point is correct, I think the next step is go over the 24 possibly permutations of "person who spoke first on (mon, tues, wednes, thurs)" to (K,N,L,C). For each permutation, work out which person made each statement. Cross out any permutation that has a contradiction.
bonanova
Daedalian Member

 Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:51 am    Post subject: 6 RM, You're right about Knave, but I've seen this defn as well. Chameleon is I think an original addition to the character types. You have the first two steps, and all your other points are spot on. You ask two questions. The first is, Yes. The second was intended to be, It doesn't matter. But [my bad] in one case it does. I tweaked the statements to fix, but now I think it's too confusing to make changes. So instead, just assume the Citizens wrote and signed their statements on a sheet of paper in the given sequence, and on the appropriate days. That removes the hearing and memory issue. We now see that paper, but with the days and signatures elided._________________ Vidi, vici, veni.
bonanova
Daedalian Member

 Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:57 am    Post subject: 7 This puzzle has run its course and probably will stir up no additional apathy. So ... giving it a proper burial ... Step 1. Andy, Dave, Iago and Lisa are K, N, L C in some order. Step 2. The statements were made Monday-Saturday staggered starts. Step 3. The first-statement order of the four Citizens is LNCK Step 4. The order of the statements is L[L] / L[C] N[L] / N[C] L[K] C[N] / K[C] N[K] C[L] / C[C] K[K] / K[N] Step 5. The truth values of the statements are S01 L[L] F S02 L[C] F S03 N[L] F S04 N[C] F S05 L[K] T S06 C[N] T (F)* S07 K[C] T (F)* S08 N[K] T S09 C[L] F S10 C[C] F S11 K[K] T S12 K[N] F Step 6. S06 and S07 are T So the four Citizens' statements are L: F F T N: F F T C: T F F K: T T F Step 7. S06 C=Lisa. S12 K=Dave S03 N=Iago. L=Andy Step 8. L=Andy's final statement is S05._________________ Vidi, vici, veni.
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