Johnny Depp Mafia: [Game Over]

[Chaz]

[Chaz]

[Sniklac16]

First off one of my votes was just a random vote and really held no merit except to get the game started. Secondly I have strong evidence as to why i voted you and MNO....And thirdly I dont recall you role claiming, but if yur really did claim on day 1 then thats not very smart and screams scum to me
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What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.

[Chaz]

Seriously Snik... your logic would only make sense in Neverland. You're either scum, or you're really really bad at mafia. You're guilty of all the reasons that you're suspicious of me for... more importantly, that's the entirety of the content of your posts. There is really only one thing you've done thus far that wasn't scummy. I think it's what Mackay noticed and then held back on talking about; I do think it would be a pretty brilliant strategy for mafia to attempt, and I don't think you're a good enough player to be trying that, so I assume it's a legitimate n00b mistake.

[MNOWAX]

[Chaz]

[Chaz]

[Zag]

[Silverfire]

[Chaz]

Bread crumbing is scummy?

I really don't know how to play this game apparently.
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The enemy's base is down.

[Amb]

Vote Count
4. Sniklac16 (Quailman, Dragon Phoenix, Silverfire, Kraddrol)
3. Chaz (Zag, MNOWAX, Sniklac16)
2. KradDrol (Mackay, Chaz)
1. sAbLLimINal (ralphmerridew)
1. MNOWAX (Undercover Monk)

Not voting: Sentran

Let me know of any errors

[Sniklac16]

[Mackay]

I don't really know why it's a commonly held idea that switching votes day 1 is scummy. It's been years since I've played regularly, but as far as I can tell it's a pretty random behaviour that people like to point at and yell at each other about.

I think Snik is learning how to play mafia this game, rather than scummy. I hope I don't have to eat my words about this, because I haven't seen some miraculous sign as Chaz seems to think! More of a lack thereof, really, and a different interpretation of some "suspicious" behaviour. And the fact that I'm pretty sold on Drak/sAb too, I guess.

Anyway, Zag, I wholly admit that I do in fact vote more frequently when I'm not afraid of being at lynch-or-lose. At this point I am unlikely to switch again, though, unless a bandwagon forms on sAb - I would definitely like to see one of the two who are linked together go.

Amb: could you fix the quote tag in Chaz' post at the top of this page? A quote from Zag is attributed to me.

[Amb]

To be fair, I need a request from the writer to do that one. The tag I fixed earlier was a malformed ubb format.

[sAbLLimINal]

It's really interesting to see how fast the bandwagon went from Chaz to Sniklac in a short amount of time. I'm going to try to look back and see who switched their vote, since I can't imagine everyone who switched their vote is town.

Current theory: Chaz is scum and his scum buddies were bussing him, but then Sniklac made a suspicious move and his buddies are bandwagoning Sniklac.

For now, I'm going to vote: Chaz

[sAbLLimINal]

Well when I looked back, the only players that switched their vote from Chaz to Sniklac were Quailman, Dragon Phoenix, and Mackay. I'm going to try to rethink my analysis on these guys since I wasn't too suspicious of them, but then I might be using bad logic and they could all be town.

[Dragon Phoenix]

[KradDrol]

I find it interesting that after Mackay tries voting for Sniklac, less than twenty minutes later, Mackay switches to vote me. Chaz immediately follows after.

And all of this immediately after a wagon for Sniklac starts forming. This could either be scum tactics to divert attention from Sniklac, or maybe even just on Mackay's part since Chaz seems to be following her every word. Especially since Mackay's reasoning for voting me is thin at best. I also agree that I find it suspicious that a role that Amb had originally mentioned would be modkilled is suddenly replaced instead. As stated earlier, probably not a big deal, but still something to think about.

The three most suspicious people on my list at the moment are Sniklac, Mackay, and Chaz.

At the moment, I'm sticking with my vote for Sniklac. Everything else that I suspect can't be backed up with evidence, but only from interpretation of their forum postings. Sniklac's L-1 vote however, is a concrete action, and one that smells fishy to me. Mackay however, is playing very strangely as well. I still can't get a read on Chaz, and his posting behavior just doesn't ring any alarm bells for me, but the fact that he's following around Mackay like a puppy on a leash is...weird.

[Sentran]

[Amb]

Nope, just must have missed them when scrolling through.

Plus which, if any player changes after I do a vote count that doesnt count as missed

[Amb]

Corrected Vote Count
4. Sniklac16 (Quailman, Dragon Phoenix, Silverfire, Kraddrol)
4. Chaz (Zag, MNOWAX, Sniklac16, Sabliminal)
2. KradDrol (Mackay, Chaz)
1. sAbLLimINal (ralphmerridew)
1. MNOWAX (Undercover Monk)

Not voting: Sentran

[Mackay]

[Chaz]

Amb: please do change that quote tag at the top. Also... missing sAb's vote was pretty scummy. Don't think I'm not crazy enough to try to lynch the mod, y0 diggity.

No change in my thinking, but I will sum up how I feel about each player right now. (the number after their names is the number of posts they've posted.) Of course these are all in my opinion and what read I'm getting off of people. You can assume the words "I think..." in front of each observation.

• Chaz (37) Clearly he's a loose cannon who probably won't make it through the first night just out of self preservation on the part of any role with the ability to kill.
  
• DP (4) He seems pretty in tune with the game.
  
• KradDrol (8) He's avoiding Mackay's question, or he doesn't understand it. I think he should be pressured and answer it.
  
• Mackay (12) She's usually pretty insightful and points out things that I miss. Her level of play is almost as fast paced as mine, so it's nice to have her in a game.
  
• MNOWAX (9) Scum or useless to town.
  
• Quailman (5) He seems pretty in tune with the game. (DP and Quail seem to mirror each other, but I don't think it's a scum link; I think it's a GMTA link.)
  
• ralphmerridew (2) Hmmmmmm... that's awfully quiet isn't it? Does anyone know ralph well enough to know if he's usually this quiet?
  
• sAbLLimINal (7) He's acting like he's from scumCity, but he could well be from n00bCity. I don't know him well enough.
  
• Sentran (11) I think he's innocent and paying attention; him and Mackay are probably the only two who will read this whole post.
  
• Silverfire (4) His "bread-crumbing is scummy" comment through me for a loop. Other than that, he's kinda quiet, and not doing anything mention worthy...
  
• Sniklac16 (12) He's sitting in a tree kay eye es es eye en gee ing MNOWAX. Scum, or useless to town.
  
• Undercover Monk (5-1) Doesn't seem too interested in the game one way or the other. He did say he's writing a paper, so maybe that's why.
  
• Zag (13) He's very smart, but he doesn't pay attention to things unless they are directed at him. Reminds me a bit of myself sometimes, and reminds me a bit of Antrax other times. He'd probably disagree about both parts. Am I right Zag? I bet this is the only part of my post he'll read until he reads this part, and then I bet he'll want to post that he read the part that I said only Mackay and Sentran would read.
  

My vote stays on KradDrol for now. Why did you jump to Zag's defense like that?
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The enemy's base is down.

[Mackay]

LOL simulpost. OK, now it looks like you're following me

I wanted to add:
Amb said that the role would be modkilled at the end of the day if he didn't find a replacement, and Krad's saying that the intent was to modkill but it "suddenly" got changed to a replacement is either horrendously inattentive or blatantly lying. It reads to me like a desperate appeal to Sentran's meta-suspicion.

[Chaz]

LOL. I was about to post and say "you know Mck... maybe they're right about us. =D

[KradDrol]

[Chaz]

[Mackay]

Chaz - he was protecting sAb, not Zag, I think - though he posted in response to a sAb/Zag post, so there's a definite Zag link also.

Krad - you forgot to address the part where you lied about Amb

Is Zag on your suspicion list? I'm just wondering, because if asking for my analysis is a suspicious activity nowadays, I'm pretty sure he did it first. Chaz likes my reasoning because it has a basis in reality, unlike repeating "he's following her!" over and over, or claiming that our mod tried to modkill someone, then changed their mind to save a mafioso or something.

Your third quote from Chaz is one in which he was actively voicing suspicion of me. Did you even read the whole post, or were you too busy finding the juiciest selective quotes out of context?

I am not blinding myself to anything, You stated definitively that sAb was "making a joke". You behaved defensively on sAb's behalf. You are now retroactively assigning your post an argument which you could easily have expressed at the time. You chose to speak for sAb instead of focusing on the fact that it seemed early to be diving into deep analysis.

[Chaz]

Okay... that's getting a little creepy now. Did you install a key-logger on my computer Mck? You can tell me. I won't stomp your head or nuthin'.
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The enemy's base is down.

[Mackay]

Well, I'd probably be asking for it

[MNOWAX]

[Chaz]

Le Sigh. MNO, you should try reading the posts instead of just glancing at them in search of something you can use to cast suspicion. You don't know the "head stomping" reference, clearly, but do you honestly think I would post something so blatantly scummy in nature if there weren't an inside joke involved? Is there any way that my comment could be read as non-scummy (after I've already claimed vanilla), without it being an inside joke? I can't think of one, and I'd have to be a fool to have posted it; I'm crazy, sure, but I'm not foolish.

Currently, I wouldn't support a lynch of anyone. I would like to see KradDrol and Mackay continue discussions. I think KradDrol is keeping quiet because he doesn't want to say the "wrong" thing, and I think that's the biggest scum tell of all. I always find Quail and DP at least a little scummy for this very reason. You seem to want to lynch just anyone and everyone. You reek of scum intentions.
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[Zag]

Le sigh double. Chaz, you should try reading posts and/or acquiring a sense of humor. He even says "Seriously, though" right after it. (This is an indication that someone has just made a joke. Perhaps you were unaware?) I'm not going to go out on a limb to defend MNOWAX, but at least his behavior has been in character with his other games in which he was a townie.

[KradDrol]

[Chaz]

[Chaz]

[Chaz]

Crap. Amb, will you fix post 155. I think there needs to be two quote="Zag" tags in a row for it to work.

After that, feel free to delete this post. Thanks Ol' Bean.
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The enemy's base is down.

[Amb]

Hold your horses, I only have a limited amount of online time per day

Plus, I am not deleting posts.

[Chaz]

[Sniklac16]