Sopranos Mafia: TOWN WINS

[Chaz]

It really comes down to Monk and Chaz doesn't it?

I suspect Monk will switch off when he reads my last post. I think it's revealing.

If not, we can off rae tonight and amb tomorrow.
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The enemy's base is down.

[Jedo the Jedi]

Except Chaz is really wrong. This game truly is sub-par play for you.
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Paragon Tally: 19 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Chaz]

Why does it matter?

It seems to me that either rae/amb are mafia, or Jedo/Sentran. For some reason, you're inclined to believe my claim of vigilante so much that you're arguing from that stand point. It's a compelling argument for me, but it depends fully on knowledge that I'm not scum.

The only way my current method would fail is if Amb is a doctor (since I'm planning to kill rae if you flip innocent), or if Monk is scum (I'm trusting that he's not, since it gives us a predictable end game.)

I guess it's possible that the scum team is something odd like Amb/Sentran, but I'm not willing to consider it as a possibility just yet. (the night kills will tell us more.)
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The enemy's base is down.

[Jedo the Jedi]

But you believe rae's claim of being doc. You are basing some of your conclusions on that fact. At this point, I can't not believe your claim because it's too costly.

The logic you are using is confusing and wrong. There has to be some modicum of trust of the people who claimed power roles. I think the most untrustworthy at present are the ones who claimed vanilla. The others are somewhat verifiable. I know that lumps me in the untrustworthy category, but I've already put up my defense for why Amb is more likely scum over me. I had no reason to put my neck out there. If I hadn't done it, I would still be out of the spotlight. Poor play if I'm actually scum (and apparently so if I'm townie ).
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Paragon Tally: 19 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Undercover Monk]

Chaz you are forgetting that there is a third possiblity. You could be a SK. so unlesss you are trying to get us to believe that you are mafia then I dont see what the problem is. You say your the vig well most us believe the claim enough to not want to kill you that leaves (if there are 3 instead of 2 mafia) rae/amb or sentran/JTJ pairings. If we flip town you have a 2/3 chance of hitting scum.

If you are mafia who is the third party killer and why havent they spoken up? The more I think about the more certain I am that you are either SK or VIG. If you are VIG raekuul is lying which makes AMB a likely scum. thats why Im voting Amb.

If you are SK rae is probably the doc but that doesnt tell us much about Amb.

Amb's lynch will give us the most info. lynch him if he is scum kill rae if he is innocent kill either JTJ or sentran.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Sentran]

I do not believe that claiming vanilla should be any more or less indicative of scumminess than claiming an unverifiable power role. I could very well have claimed that I was a doctor, and I protected UM on night one and Amb on night two. Or, for that matter, ANY person that was still alive on night one, and night two, respectively. Do not discount any of the power roles, simply on the basis that they claimed to have one.

I still feel that Amb is the most obviously guilty among the remaining group. The deadlock has me worried. If I hammer Jedo, and he turns up innocent, I look guilty and will most likely be killed by Chaz (even though he thinks Jedo is scum, and assuming he's not mafia or SK himself). I'm not willing to sacrifice myself to make the scum stronger, by allowing the obvious scum to live.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Sentran]

OK, Chaz, since you are the only person claiming the power to affect the game at night, can you give the town a bit of insight?

If I hammer Jedo and he turns out scum, what will you do?
If I hammer Jedo and he turns out town, what will you do?

I've been looking over Jedo's posts for tells, but his own tagline shows his level of competence, so I'm not sure I'll find anything. I'm not convinced of his innocence, but his posts are not as blatantly scummy as Amb's. Town, what should I do?
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Undercover Monk]

I am obviously for an Amb lynch! still waiting for Chaz to respond to my previous posts.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Chaz]

@Monk:
But if the scum team is You, Sentran, and Jedo, then killing Amb would cost townies the game.
I'm confused as to why rae must be lying about being a doc. Just because it would give town too much power?

As to me being a SK... why would I claim if I were? Nobody suspected me. Not even a little. I could have claimed townie with no problem if I were SK. I would have claimed townie almost right away too. I had the opportunity to do so, and I passed. The argument for my being scum would be that the SK would lay low. It would have been a lucky guess by me to claim vig (since there might have been a vig who would have outed me), but once I knew there was a doc and a cop, I could have deduced the likely-hood that I could safely claim vig. It's unlikely, but not implausible.

@Sentran:
If you were to hammer Jedo and he came up scum, then I would wait for the night kill. If you were to hammer Jedo and he came up town, then I would likely kill you tonight.

If someone else were to hammer Jedo, my night kill choice might vary in several directions. I really, honestly, don't know exactly what I'll do until after I see Jedo's alignment. I would definitely re-read the thread before I acted in any direction.
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The enemy's base is down.

[Chaz]

unvote

Monk's last post has me rethinking. Originally I liked amb/rae more for a mafia team anyway. Rae did a few things (like knowing which kill was mine, maybe?)

I need another re-read tonight (real life tonight) before I let my vote kill somebody. I think it's safe to assume that one of either Amb or Jedo must be scum, or scum probably would have hammered one of them by now.
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The enemy's base is down.

[Chaz]

Yeah: here...

[Jedo the Jedi]

[Jedo the Jedi]

[Amb]

Don't let Jedo off the hook Chaz. It's taken an age to finally get the scum on the lynching block. The scum are Jedo and Sentran. Rae is a stock standard doctor. Remember this is Sniklac16s first modded game, he won't be doing big twists here. If you have to, lynch me, use the info and hit either Jedo or Sentran. I couldn't care which one you choose since both are the scum.

[Amb]

(That said, I would prefer you hit Sentran, Jedo has clearly posted enough that you can do a lot more analysis on the final day(s))

[Chaz]

I agree about 90% Amb. I'll do a thorough re-read tonight and let you guys know what I come up with.

Jedo, the reason I can use that defense (and you can't), is because I claimed a power role (and you claimed townie.) My claim "put me out there" more than yours did. I'm actually saying that mine is more plausible, since I could have claimed townie like you did, and nobody would have been any wiser. No one was even looking in my direction as the vigilante.
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The enemy's base is down.

[Jedo the Jedi]

[Undercover Monk]

really Amb your are defending the guy who suggested not only the semi-confirmed mason is mafia but is part of A 4 PERSON SCUM TEAM

If 3 of us were scum then the game would be over anyway. We cant even be sue there are 3 with a vig or SK on the loose. There is a slight chance that Chaz is part of a second mafia team. But that is unlikely. Seriously Chaz after having called the game so well in depp mafia I can not understand your last couple of posts. Amb is scum he is way to oneminded. He is panicking cause we the town have called him and his scum-buddy raekuul out.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Amb]

Fine so be this.

Vote Amb

A town win is better than an SK win. Silverfire was my traitor whose sole job was to find the SK to recruit them. She failed, but he outed himself. With that, my mafia is extinct, but whatever - Chaz can shoot whoever he likes in the hopes of me lying.

[Sniklac16]

I didnt see this coming i can't even think of a cool story to go with this outcome so instead ill just inform you that:


Amb Tony Soprano mafia godfather lynched day 3


And with that it is now night
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What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.

[Sniklac16]

Day broke. city was deathly silent. where there was once life and happiness now was replaced with death and fear. though the townspeople were able to rid the town of a mafia spy and its godfather, its presence was still known. a small group of people were gathered around the city hall building staring at a gruesome scene. a known member of the town was lying lifeless at the bottom of the stairs

undercover monk silvio dante townie mason killed night 3


then just when the shock of the last mason's lifeless bod was found a shrill scream filled the air. the townspeople came running to find yet another dead body lying in an alleyway...when they saw who it was a bit of hope drained from a few peoples hearts

raekuul bobby baccalieri doctor killed night 3

and with that it is now day...theres only 3 alive so itll take just 2 to lyncnh
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What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.

[Chaz]

Well, I suck.

So, Sentran or Jedo. Since I did so swimmingly last night, who do I side with.

I do have to admit... Amb's choice to lynch himself through me for a loop. I was *this* close to killing Sentran last night, *this* close to not killing, and *this* close to killing Monk.

Only Jedo would have not been killed.
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The enemy's base is down.

[Chaz]

So, I'm torn.

On one hand, Jedo looks more guilty because he sat so long with three votes. I don't think non-scum could have done that.

On the other hand, it was right after Sentran asked what would happen if he were to hammer Jedo (and I said I would go straight for him that night) that Amb decided to pull a spectacular play.

I must think; I must hear from you twos.
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The enemy's base is down.

[raekuul]

Plugh, myuu, and kweh. I did not think Amb was scum.

[Sentran]

I am friggin lost. I felt that Amb was scum enough not to change my vote to Jedo, but I never expected that! Now it's a question of who is lying. I can readily assume that both of you aren't lying, or I'd be dead already.
Chaz looks guilty not from what Amb said, since he was scum adn I tend not to trust them even on their way out, but because every night kill has hit townies. Then again, Jedo had a good strong argument going with Amb for quite a while, which could have been a distancing tactic. I can't consider that an absolute, since I found it hard to agree with Amb myself.
Crap, decisions...
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Chaz]

That is strange. I wouldn't see either of you considering who to vote for.

Either I am SK, or I am Vig.

From either of your perspectives, voting for me means you will definitely lose (since the other player is mafia, or, possibly, SK); voting for the other player means you might win (if I'm a vigilante as I have claimed.)

Obviously, if I were either of you, I'd be voting for the other of you.

I'm the one in the crappy position who has to try to figure out who mafia is no matter what. SK or Vigilante, I have to lynch mafia today to win.
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The enemy's base is down.

[Sentran]

In re-reading all of the recent posts, I found salvation, from the moderator!

[Sentran]

Crap, that would only work if Chaz is not an SK. If he is a Vig, he has the worst scum-dar I've seen. Odds are that Amb was *gasp* telling the truth, and Chaz is a Vig. So, Unvote.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Sentran]

Correction, I meant that Amb may have been telling the truth that Chaz is a Serial Killer. This is what I get for posting when I first wake up.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Chaz]

That seals it for me. In it for a penny, in it for a pound.

Vote: Sentran.
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The enemy's base is down.

[Jedo the Jedi]

Chaz, why the hell didn't you listen to me? I told you that if we lynch a mafia, DON'T SHOOT! But then again, you're the SK, aren't you, so you needed to make it easier on yourself?

Numbers are lost. I'm not mafia. It's Sentran. I've nailed two other mafiosos. Why would I bus both of my mafia buddies? I've shown how I'm innocent.

The problem is, if Chaz is indeed SK, I can only win with a no lynch and you two shooting each other. If Chaz is vig, we just have to lynch Sentran.

Actually, if Chaz is SK, there can be a no-win by my death. I'd rather have that.

(Also, I told you there was probably a GF and that it was Amb. That's why he volunteered to be shot over night.)
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Paragon Tally: 19 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Chaz]

Unvote

I just don't know. There are so many things pointing to both of you.

I'll wait 'till after Jedo chimes in.
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The enemy's base is down.

[Chaz]

I can no longer night-kill. My gun only had two bullets originally.
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The enemy's base is down.

[Chaz]

If I'm SK, then town has already lost (unless I'm lying about the number of shots, I suppose.)
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The enemy's base is down.

[Chaz]

No. I'm set.

Vote: Sentran

It's the way he tries to lead me without leading me. It just feels like Amb all over again.

Congratulations Jedo. Scum, or townie, you just won this game.
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The enemy's base is down.

[Jedo the Jedi]

Fine.

vote Sentran

I'm going to be kicking myself, aren't I?
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Paragon Tally: 19 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Chaz]

I hope not, because I'll be joining in if you are.

I am vig, and the game is over. If you're not scum, then we just won.
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The enemy's base is down.

[Jedo the Jedi]

Someone page Snik and tell him to get back in here. I want closure!
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Paragon Tally: 19 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Chaz]

Or Sentran. Either could tell us the outcome.
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The enemy's base is down.

[Jedo the Jedi]

So, who did you kill last night, Chaz?
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Paragon Tally: 19 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.