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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 1:57 pm    Post subject: 1 Reply with quote

How pitiful. Really, is NFL seeding those gaffes on purpose? Bring me to sing the National Anthem in Superbowl XLVI, please. I'm not a celebrity, I'm not eye candy, My voice is deep (but not Barry White deep, so kinda ugly), my musical training is like nonexistant, and I'm not from the States and will sound accented.

But at least I know the lyrics.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 2:21 pm    Post subject: 2 Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:48 pm    Post subject: 3 Reply with quote

What I find a bit odd is the fact that we sing the NATIONAL anthem at sporting events in the first place, and are expected to show "allegiance" to the flag and any other symbol of the country by standing, removing hats, and placing hands over hearts. What? It's a f*cking football game! Why the nationalistic propaganda? Why the military involvement? Soldiers marching around while fighter jets fly over.... WTF?

Bring back Roseanne Barr.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:00 pm    Post subject: 4 Reply with quote

On a side note... seeing Rosanne get knocked on her ass in that Snickers commercial was pretty awesome.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:19 pm    Post subject: 5 Reply with quote

My wife: Christina Aguilera really flubbed the lyrics to the National Anthem! And then, when she sang "And the rocket's red flare..."
Me: Umm, it's "and the rocket's red glare". You're gonna damage that glass house of yours with all the stone throwing.

My point being...it's extremely easy to judge someone else when we're not the ones singing in front of 150 million people. I bet if you took a poll, a large number of Americans don't know all the lyrics to the Star Spangled Banner when they're *not* under pressure to repeat them.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:27 pm    Post subject: 6 Reply with quote

We're also not professional singers who are expected to know that sort of thing. I bet (even under extreme Super Bowl level pressure) Aaron Rodge is still able to pass the ball. I don't think it's inappropriate for us to expect a professional to be able to do something even an amateur would (under normal circumstances) have little difficulty achieving.

I could declare a variable in my sleep.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:34 pm    Post subject: 7 Reply with quote

As could I, but Kinbote's got a point, not many people know the correct words to the first verse of Star Spangled Banner, and it's extremely rare to find someone that can sing all the verses without flubbing while doing it for a crowd. All that says to me is that if you know you're gonna be singing the National Anthem, you'd better be practicing your lungs out.

As for the song itself... I know it's tradition, but why the censor did we pick such a censoring hard song to sing for our anthem?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:47 pm    Post subject: 8 Reply with quote

Being a professional whatever doesn't mean you do that thing perfectly all the time. And I'm sure that Christina Aguilera knows the lyrics. People draw blanks on things they know all the time - that's why there's an expression for it. In that circumstance, she reacted as well as she could - she put in something that fit the rhythm and moved on. Yes, not making mistakes is a part of professionalism, but recognizing that a some point at mistake will be made and reacting appropriately is a much bigger part.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 10:47 pm    Post subject: 9 Reply with quote

Pablo wrote:
Why the nationalistic propaganda? Why the military involvement? Soldiers marching around while fighter jets fly over.... WTF?


Obviously, the NFL owners and Super Bowl organizers have decided that more people want to watch football if there's nationalistic propaganda and military heroes, and thus they can raise ticket prices and get more money in television deals. It's all about the capitalism. Cannibal
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 10:59 pm    Post subject: 10 Reply with quote

raekuul wrote:
As for the song itself... I know it's tradition, but why the censor did we pick such a censoring hard song to sing for our anthem?

I figured it was to weed out the amateurs.

I disagree with the idea that professionals are allowed to make mistakes; they're not.

An amateur will practice something until they finally get it right; a professional will practice something until they never get it wrong.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:04 pm    Post subject: 11 Reply with quote

Really? I thought the difference between being an amateur and being a professional was a paycheck.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:06 pm    Post subject: 12 Reply with quote

Chaz wrote:
We're also not professional singers who are expected to know that sort of thing. I bet (even under extreme Super Bowl level pressure) Aaron Rodge is still able to pass the ball. I don't think it's inappropriate for us to expect a professional to be able to do something even an amateur would (under normal circumstances) have little difficulty achieving.

I could declare a variable in my sleep.


We *expect* a professional to not mess up. It doesn't mean we are obligated to crucify them when they do. She's done the Star Spangled Banner correctly dozens of times, many of them nationally televised. Shit happens.

If you're going to judge Aguilera against your own professional standards, you better be *darn* sure you've never made an elementary error in a computer program. And since everyone makes mistakes, just be glad yours weren't in front of millions of people.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:08 pm    Post subject: 13 Reply with quote

The answer is simple.

We start singing it in school, before our first class, every day, so that for the next generation EVERYBODY practices it and knows the lyrics by heart.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:09 pm    Post subject: 14 Reply with quote

That's the point though.

I don't make millions of dollars to sing in front of millions of people.

I don't make millions of dollars to program for millions of people.

You can make damn sure that I wouldn't make any mistakes if I did (or I wouldn't be making millions of dollars for very long.)

If we're going to pay her crazy money to sing, then she better sing crazy perfect.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:15 pm    Post subject: 15 Reply with quote

The problem was she was so caught up putting her own (terrible) flare on the song that she forgot to think about the next line.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:15 pm    Post subject: 16 Reply with quote

Chaz wrote:
That's the point though.

I don't make millions of dollars to sing in front of millions of people.

I don't make millions of dollars to program for millions of people.

You can make damn sure that I wouldn't make any mistakes if I did (or I wouldn't be making millions of dollars for very long.)

If we're going to pay her crazy money to sing, then she better sing crazy perfect.


Look, I'm a math teacher and CS major, so I say this lovingly, but only a programmer would think that the amount of money that someone is paid to perform is or should be directly proportional to the technical perfection that they exhibit.

Judging by the prop betting that was going on this Superbowl, they didn't hire her to get the words right, they got her to hold the "free" note as long as possible. Revenge most foul!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:16 pm    Post subject: 17 Reply with quote

Death Mage wrote:
The answer is simple.

We start singing it in school, before our first class, every day, so that for the next generation EVERYBODY practices it and knows the lyrics by heart.


This isn't about knowing it by heart or not knowing it by heart.

And no.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:18 pm    Post subject: 18 Reply with quote

Chaz wrote:
You can make damn sure that I wouldn't make any mistakes if I did (or I wouldn't be making millions of dollars for very long.)


Alex Rodriguez makes millions of dollars, and he makes a mistake over half the time he gets an at bat.

(Also, letting Cameron Diaz feed you popcorn on national TV? Totally a mistake.)
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:53 am    Post subject: 19 Reply with quote

Thok* wrote:
Chaz wrote:
You can make damn sure that I wouldn't make any mistakes if I did (or I wouldn't be making millions of dollars for very long.)


Alex Rodriguez makes millions of dollars, and he makes a mistake over half the time he gets an at bat.

And the fans are just okay with that? People don't make angry posts about his incompetence? *nudge*

LordKinbote wrote:
Look, I'm a math teacher and CS major, so I say this lovingly, but only a programmer would think that the amount of money that someone is paid to perform is or should be directly proportional to the technical perfection that they exhibit.

I didn't say it was. *nudge*
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 1:14 am    Post subject: 20 Reply with quote

Just as there are software engineers who are paid extra to NOT make mistakes,* so is the singer at the most-watched sporting event of the year. She should have rehearsed until she couldn't make a mistake.

I'm speaking here of the people writing life-or-death stuff: Airplane control, medical equipment, etc. It isn't necessarily that they are paid so much for their time, but that they are given 40 times the amount of time to complete something than someone writing game software of equivalent complexity. (BTW, that 40 is probably low.) They are essentially paid 40 times as much per line of code. This is as it should be, and planes don't crash due to software problems.

Similarly, I'm sure that she was paid enough to compensate her for the 80+ hours of rehearsal it would have taken to be able to sing it correctly no matter what the conditions. And I'll bet she didn't do it -- umm, obviously.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 2:37 am    Post subject: 21 Reply with quote

The song is usually lip-synced instead of actually sung at the super bowl. She had to make extra effort to actually be singing live.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:59 am    Post subject: 22 Reply with quote

I think a large percentage of Americans do not even know there are four verses.

Would it change anyone's opinion if she had sung and flubbed on the second verse? The common knowledge argument would fail, but professionalism would still count.

P.S. My favorite verse of America the Beautiful is the second.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 1:14 pm    Post subject: 23 Reply with quote

Zag wrote:
Just as there are software engineers who are paid extra to NOT make mistakes,* so is the singer at the most-watched sporting event of the year. She should have rehearsed until she couldn't make a mistake.


I'm guessing you've never performed, because what you said doesn't make sense. There is no such thing as practicing until mistakes are an impossibility. An unlikelihood, yes, an impossibility, no.

Quote:
I'm speaking here of the people writing life-or-death stuff: Airplane control, medical equipment, etc. It isn't necessarily that they are paid so much for their time, but that they are given 40 times the amount of time to complete something than someone writing game software of equivalent complexity. (BTW, that 40 is probably low.) They are essentially paid 40 times as much per line of code. This is as it should be, and planes don't crash due to software problems.

Similarly, I'm sure that she was paid enough to compensate her for the 80+ hours of rehearsal it would have taken to be able to sing it correctly no matter what the conditions. And I'll bet she didn't do it -- umm, obviously.


Again, I don't think she was paid with any expectations about how much she'd practice. And she's sung the song at many other nationally televised events correctly.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 1:39 pm    Post subject: 24 Reply with quote

Jedo the Jedi wrote:
The problem was she was so caught up putting her own (terrible) flare on the song that she forgot to think about the next line.

I agree, except that you should have left off the parentheses, and bolded the word 'terrible'. The botched lines actually served to divert attention from the fact that all the lines she sang with the right words were painful to listen to.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 2:05 pm    Post subject: 25 Reply with quote

LordKinbote wrote:
And she's sung the song at many other nationally televised events correctly.

This actually gives me more sympathy -- it indicates that it was nerves and not a lack of preparation.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:46 am    Post subject: 26 Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:14 am    Post subject: 27 Reply with quote

....

What a great game, huh?

.....
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:53 am    Post subject: 28 Reply with quote

Ctorj wrote:
....

What a great game, huh?

.....


It was a solid game with a decent ending, but generally sloppy all around. I give it a B+.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:03 pm    Post subject: 29 Reply with quote

That's what she said.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:21 pm    Post subject: 30 Reply with quote

Samadhi wrote:
That's what she said.

LIKE

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