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The Resistance : Spies win 3-1
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Zag
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:21 am    Post subject: 161 Reply with quote

wordcross wrote:
Chaz seems to be the agreed upon innocent here...

Agreed by whom? I still think, because of the meta-gaming issues, that he is not. I don't, however, have any evidence within the game. So I will go along with your set.
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ralphmerridew
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 3:38 am    Post subject: 162 Reply with quote

$0.01

Game so far wrote:
Mission 1, Team 1 by UM: Poisonium, Chaz, and bgg1996
Yes: Monk, Zag, Chaz, MatthewV, Bgg1996
(2 pass, 1 fail)

Mission 2, Team 1 by MV: MV, Zag, rm, Sentran
Bgg:yes, Zag:no, Chaz:no, wx:yes, Monk:yes, MV:no, Sentran:no, rm:no, Pois:no

Mission 2, Team 2 by wx: wx, Chaz, Zag, Sentran
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Chaz
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 3:39 am    Post subject: 163 Reply with quote

I know this will be shocking, but I agree with Zag, except for the opposite. Ecstatic Happiness
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 3:57 am    Post subject: 164 Reply with quote

I won't be logging in tonight, but I will be voting No
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 3:57 am    Post subject: 165 Reply with quote

I won't be logging in tonight, but I will be voting No
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:18 am    Post subject: 166 Reply with quote

Dually noted.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:25 am    Post subject: 167 Reply with quote

I voted yes, obviously. I also don't know how much i'll be on this weekend. I'm posting from my phone right now.
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ralphmerridew
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:36 am    Post subject: 168 Reply with quote

Possible speedup: When voting on whether to approve a team or not, people who are on that team should include whether to pass or fail, if the team passes.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:42 am    Post subject: 169 Reply with quote

Glad I checked the thread. I'll take that as your vote.

Everyone voted yes except MattV. Motion passes.

Wordcross, Chaz, Zag, Sentran send Pass or Fail.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:45 am    Post subject: 170 Reply with quote

Hadn't thought of that, we'll run that next round, thanks for the suggestion.

Hope everyone's enjoying this so far, I'm sure enjoying reading the comments Revenge most foul!
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Chaz
Vote: Zag



PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:48 am    Post subject: 171 Reply with quote

ralphmerridew wrote:
Possible speedup: When voting on whether to approve a team or not, people who are on that team should include whether to pass or fail, if the team passes.

This is why posts need a "like" button.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 9:56 am    Post subject: 172 Reply with quote

I will explain my reasons for voting No sometime later. Right now I am drunk Felicitous
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:40 pm    Post subject: 173 Reply with quote

Can't we just lynch MattV and get it over with? *nudge*
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:23 pm    Post subject: 174 Reply with quote

Results are in:

Pass, Pass, Pass, Pass

The mission passes! Resistance scores 1 point.

Game tied 1-1. Round 3
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:25 pm    Post subject: 175 Reply with quote

Round 3. Leader = Chaz. 4 Members.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:47 pm    Post subject: 176 Reply with quote

Huh. We passed. Why don't I feel like it's legitimately 4 rebels?
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Zag
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 6:47 pm    Post subject: 177 Reply with quote

Wow. I'll officially declare myself wrong about Chaz.
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Zag
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 9:10 pm    Post subject: 178 Reply with quote

... unless, of course, he is playing us.

I assume that the next group will be the same four, plus one more. If that group suddenly votes 4-1, then Chaz will easily be able to say that he added a spy. The person will deny it, and the rest of us will not know for sure.

Or, I suppose, it could be me, or wordy or Sentran doing that. I know that, before the game started, I had a plan to do such a thing if I were a spy. But I'm not, and I didn't.

Anyway, I still think that the best approach is to pick the same four plus one more. Maybe we've legitimately found a group of four non-spies. Whether you are a spy or not, Chaz, I can't see any reason for doing anything else.
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Chaz
Vote: Zag



PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 9:21 pm    Post subject: 179 Reply with quote

We only need four this round, and there needs to be two spies in the fourth round.

Unless Zag is a spy (which would have been bad play on his part, since he could have failed last round and casted doubt on me), we're good to go.

Team: wordcross, Chaz, Zag, Sentran.

Then we can add Sentran or rm to the mix, and it should pass.
Congrats rebels... we've got this... we've got this by the ass. Ecstatic Happiness

I'm sending "yes" to dethy now.
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Chaz
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 9:33 pm    Post subject: 180 Reply with quote

Er. "Then we can add rm to the mix, and it should pass."
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 9:54 pm    Post subject: 181 Reply with quote

sound logic from chaz holy crap its the end of the world.But yeah sounds good to me. will be sending yes
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Zag
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:14 pm    Post subject: 182 Reply with quote

Oh, you only needed 4.

So that's the same group, right? ~double checks~ Yes. Excellent. I thoroughly support.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:35 pm    Post subject: 183 Reply with quote

Exactly what I was going to suggest. Vote: yes
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 11:19 pm    Post subject: 184 Reply with quote

And I voted No last time to add to me being a scapegoat. I hope there is a possibility that a spy would vote to pass the mission just to make me look like a spy.

There is the possibility that two people on our set of four are spies. But if that is the case, the resistance is probably screwed. I don't think this is the case.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 2:42 am    Post subject: 185 Reply with quote

Voted yes.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 1:07 pm    Post subject: 186 Reply with quote

$0.01
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Chaz
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:21 pm    Post subject: 187 Reply with quote

I kind of wonder which three haven't voted yet.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:17 pm    Post subject: 188 Reply with quote

My guesses for who has not yet voted are bgg1996, Poisonium, and MatthewV, although that last one could have been ralphmerridew.
bgg and Pois have not posted recently, and MattV seems to not want the game to progress, for SOME reason. Enthusiastic Grin
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Chaz
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:24 pm    Post subject: 189 Reply with quote

rm claimed that he sent (cent) his.

Otherwise, I agree 100%. Ecstatic Happiness
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:56 pm    Post subject: 190 Reply with quote

I'm missing monk, poison, and bgg.
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Chaz
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:00 pm    Post subject: 191 Reply with quote

I say we assume that monk said yes (he indicated he was planning to) and that the other two (who are spies) said no. Ecstatic Happiness
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:10 pm    Post subject: 192 Reply with quote

i thought I sent mine but if I didnt I say YES
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:42 pm    Post subject: 193 Reply with quote

Don't we already have a clear majority?
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Chaz
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:47 pm    Post subject: 194 Reply with quote

Because of Chaz's brilliant move on Day 1, dethy is petrified into making sure everyone has submitted an answer. Enthusiastic Grin
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:48 pm    Post subject: 195 Reply with quote

I guess this is a result of the "everyone must vote" model. It was pretty pointless this round but is still important in my opinion.
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Poisonium
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:03 pm    Post subject: 196 Reply with quote

I already sent one, I believe, which said Yes.
I sent one more.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:19 pm    Post subject: 197 Reply with quote

bgg is the only holdout, and I see no posts from him since Friday.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:40 pm    Post subject: 198 Reply with quote

Well, several people claimed they had already sent, but I didn't have them in my inbox. Strange.

Everyone votes yes, motion passes.

Mission: Pass, Pass, Pass, Fail

Mission fails. Spies lead 2-1.

Round 4 coming up
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:42 pm    Post subject: 199 Reply with quote

Round 4:

1. Undercover Monk
2. MatthewV
3. Wordcross
4. Chaz
5. Zag -- Leader
6. ralphmerridew
7. Sentran
8. Poisonium
9. Bgg1996

Zag is the leader, select 5 mission specialists. This round requires a double fail for the spies to win.
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Zag
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:20 pm    Post subject: 200 Reply with quote

Ah ha! So somebody was a spy in that group, and was voting pass as a trick. You probably should have looked ahead before doing that.

Summary wrote:
Mission 1, Team 1 by UM: Poisonium, Chaz, and bgg1996
Yes: Monk, Zag, Chaz, MatthewV, Bgg1996
(2 pass, 1 fail)

Mission 2, Team 1 by MV: MV, Zag, rm, Sentran
Bgg:yes, Zag:no, Chaz:no, wx:yes, Monk:yes, MV:no, Sentran:no, rm:no, Pois:no

Mission 2, Team 2 by wx: wx, Chaz, Zag, Sentran
(everyone but MattV votes yes)
4 pass!

Mission 3, Team 1, by Chaz: wx, Chaz, Zag, Sentran
(everyone votes yes)
3 pass, 1 fail


Ok. My theory is that both fail votes are Chaz, and that the spies are UM, Chaz, and either MattV or rm.

The thoughts on Chaz are purely from him posting so early, applying MattV's theory (and my own experience) that people who are innocent would have waited a little longer to see if a PM was still on its way. I'm still torn on whether or this indicates guilt on innocence for MV. I hadn't thought of it, even though I experienced it myself (that is, I saw Chaz had posted, but I waited to post because I hadn't received a PM yet.)

My opinion of UM is because I think that any innocent person would have picked himself. Whereas a spy would want to make sure that there is exactly one spy on the team (to prevent confusion), and very well might not pick himself. He claims that he was trying to put together an all-spy team to get them all to reveal themselves early. Frankly, that's retarded. (Sorry, UM.) He is starting with the ridiculously small chance of guessing right, and then adding the hope that they aren't clever enough about game theory to make the right choices. An innocent person would pick himself and two others he thinks are innocent in order to secure a point.

Chaz, I'm sure, will have a competing theory that I'm scum (though I don't know why he picked me, other than general principles) and either Pois or bgg is also scum. He hasn't spoken out about UM, but his theory is consistent with UM being scum for the same reason I consider him to be.

I'm trying to figure out a setup that will work no matter which theory is correct, since I can afford a single spy on my team and we'll still get a point for the town. I can't quite do that, but this set will guarantee it if my theory is correct, and it will give it a 50% shot if Chaz's theory is correct. I'm going to take the same group as last time, and add one of Pois or bgg. Now, with Chaz's theory, I would just be adding my spy buddy. So I'm going to let the dice roller decide (since I think they are both innocent). Personally, I'd be happier with the team wx, Zag, Sentran, Pois, bgg, but I'm satisfied that either of the following contains only one spy, and I'm hoping this will be easier for others (i.e. Chaz) to agree to.

If this dice command comes up 1, the team is wx, Chaz, Zag, Sentran, Pois
If this dice command comes up 2, the team is wx, Chaz, Zag, Sentran, bgg

Dice Roll:
Original Roll String: 1d2
1 2-Sided Dice Results: 1


I'll give you my word that I haven't gimmicked this dice roll in any way.
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