April Fools Mafia, it's over! (UM wins)

[Zag]

[bgg1996]

I think Amb is telling the truth. How and why would he come up with it otherwise?

I'll take the lynch immunity (if Amb didn't already get it)
This must be Jester Mafia.

Anyway, I think we should save our mass claim for later, when we really need it, not just waste it to start off discussion.
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[Zag]

[MNOWAX]

My post was not for anyone's eyes but the mod.

This is my fault, and I just hope that my group can forgive me. I am a Mafia Doc, BTW, so i assume there is at least one more killing role out there.
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[Zag]

Ok. I'm finally caught up. I really shouldn't post as I'm reading through. (Especially since I got called away in the middle.)

[Lucresia]

Heh, awesome. So we've turned from MNO being a possible jester we cannot lynch to claiming mafia so if he is a jester we'll lynch him and he can win?

So now we have to debate if it's worth keeping him alive in case he is a jester, or assuming his first post was indeed supposed to be the PM response to the mod and getting rid of a mafia member day one... /sigh.

I don't really want the game to end on day one, so I am almost leaning towards keeping MNO alive, at least till tomorrow. If he is mafia, I am really wondering if there is even a jester at all then.
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[bgg1996]

[bgg1996]

Listen, he was just accused of being a jester. This meant that he would never be lynched. His response? Claim mafia. He is most definitely a jester.
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[bgg1996]

That being said, Amb is probably a jester as well. Why else wouldn't he want the lynch immunity for himself?
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[Lifeinmomland]

I should have known better that to join something when my husband said " I have this GREAT idea but if you are going to join I can't tell you... so are you going to join??" I have one thing to say, and to the best of my knowledge this is not against the rules... know this. Sentran is a TRICKSY HOBBIT!!!!!!

After 10 years of marriage I can tell you... WE ARE IN DEEP TROUBLE!
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[MNOWAX]

heh, trust me, i really would like to live, so don't bother to WIFOM an honest mistake. Amb is paranoid about Jesters, and i screwed up a PM in a mafia game. shit happens, and while i definitely would NOT like to be lynched.

The only reason why i claimed is because i want it to be known that there is more than one killing party out there, otherwise i wouldn't be a doc. Thanks to my mistake, its pretty obvious I am scum. Might as well get what information I do have out there. My priority is to have my scum team win, not a SK.
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[MNOWAX]

EBWDP: " and While shit happens, I definitely don't want to be lynched.
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[bgg1996]

Then my question to you is....
Why do you not want to be known as a Jester?
Which you are.

So, since Amb was the one who told us that he knew Jesters were in the game, but I was the one who said it was Jester mafia, who gets the immunity?
Assuming of course, that we are correct.
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[Quailman]

Are we to believe that MNO "accidentally" put his PM message to the mod in a reply box?? He's played way too many games to make that mistake. He's gaming us.

unvote: lucresia; vote: MNOWAX

[Lucresia]

Or your priority could be to allow us to kill you and you to win the game

I am unsure of a kill on MNO still. I am now pretty confident that Amb is right and he is a jester. If he was mafia and did want his mafia members to win, I do not think that he would continue to reveal his mafia role so people were more convinced of him being mafia and would indeed lynch him. The fact that people think he is a jester is what is keeping him alive anyways.
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[Lucresia]

[Lifeinmomland]

I hate to be a spoil sport here, but much of your supposition is based on the idea that MNO is lying and Amb isn't ... I must tell you... you are all guily until you are proven otherwise... which I personally will only belive when you are DEAD!

That being said. UNOTE ALL OF YOU VOTE JEDO
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[Sentran]

I'll keep this brief. I do like the sound of the Jester role (ever since Chaz used it as a claim in Depp Mafia), so I incorporated it into the game. Therefore, while trying not to give too much away, that is not the name of the mafia, and bgg is granted lynch immunity for the day.
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[Sentran]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT
Zag: 1 (Chaz)
Amb: 1 (Jedo)
Jedo: 1 (Lifeinmomland)
Lucresia: 2 (Undercover Monk, Zag)
MNOWAX: 1 (Quailman)
No Lynch: 3 (Ctorj, raekuul, Amb)
Not voting: bgg1996, Lucresia, MNOWAX
Lynch Immunity: bgg1996
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[Lifeinmomland]

Um... lynch immunity? Did I miss something? Were we supposed to be naming the secret name? Um I am confused now...
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[bgg1996]

Remember, the main enemy will be the ones who want to be lynched. MNOWAX was pretty much given permanent lynch immunity by being called a jester. When he claimed a mafia role, it meant that he wanted to be lynched, most likely.
Amb was also offered lynch immunity when he figured out that there was a jester through his role ([sarcasm]I wonder how...[/sarcasm]). When he did not say the name of the game, or at least attempt to, he was saying that he wanted to be lynched.

Mafia must align itself with town to get rid of these harlequins.
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[Amb]

And with that, I may as well reveal, because Im screwed otherwise.

MNO/Bgg cause me much consternation, because MNO IS a jester. I am a Jester Cop. I can find the jesters at night and lead the town away from lynching them. While I didn't think it was the theme, I was lead to believe that there would be at least 1. So a no lynch tactic might turn out to be majorly important. My role is screwy however because it has a gotcha, that on pain of mod-kill, I am not allowed to reveal. The mechanic messes with me a little, and may make it difficult to be 100% useful. I might be pushing it a lot saying what I am saying, but I think I have gotten around the exact wording with several checks of paranoia.

In the meanwhile, any lynch must be considered highly dangerous and risky, but to prevent a mafia win, all we have to do is lynch a known jester. With any luck tomorrow, either MNO or Bgg can be proven - if you choose to believe me.

[Amb]

And Bgg, why would I assume that was the theme? There could just as easily be a cult. Or a bunch of lonely masons.

The BIG reason to NOT state a theme, despite the immunity, is that it gives information to mafia. They could have had difficulty forming role claims.

[bgg1996]

Alright smart guy, tell me. You already said that there was/ere jester(s). Why not also get the lynch immunity?
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[bgg1996]

Why wouldn't you think that that was the theme?
Jester is a very uncommon role. Jester cop? I think the theme was clear.
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[Zag]

Mom, why Jedo?

I hate being on the confused team again. Mafia and Moderator are a lot easier, because at least you know who's who. Anyway, I'm willing to support you, if you have any good reasons.

[Quailman]

unvote:MNOWAX

That explains a lot. I am less suspicious of both of you. Since the game started on Day, you couldn't have legitimately communicated to plan a gambit, so...

vote: lucresia for lack of a better candidate.

[Lucresia]

[raekuul]

Meh, whatever.

unvote, vote: Sentran

[bgg1996]

@Raekuul
Uhhhhhhmm, isn't Sentran the mod?
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[Ctorj]

I've been thinking about something since my lynch in the last game and I realized that Jedo would always go after me whenever the both of us were pro-town. He did it again in the last game and it all came back to me. I forgot about it because it's been years since I've played Mafia. We just think we're both scum when we're both innocent and end up endangering the town like the morons that we are.

However, he hasn't shown any aggression/suspicion to me this game and he usually goes after me right away. I'm thinking he must be scum since he'll know that an argument between the both of us will draw attention since we're both privy to long ass posts too. This is best reason I can come up with and since it is based on a looong precedence, I'm really liking my gut on this one.

unvote: Vote: Jedo

The Jester role is one I've never played with in a game before. I agree MNO is baiting us and we shouldn't lynch him under any circumstances.
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[Zag]

If Amb doesn't get mod-killed for that, he's lying. I believe that he had something to do with jesters, but not quite that.

Maybe it's just his discussion, but this is an epidemic of 'no lynch' voters. I've never even seen ONE in the past 5 games, and now there are THREE?!? If there is a jester in the game, and Amb has some role that has to do with jesters, then it makes sense that someone, perhaps several someones, have some role that gives them some benefit on a 'no lynch' vote. I'm suspecting that Amb's role is more about that than about being a Jester Cop. If he really were not allowed to claim, that would be enough to mod-kill him if it were true.

Whatever we do, I'm we shouldn't 'no lynch.' SOMEBODY among those three, maybe more than one, has some significant benefit if there is a no lynch.

[Quailman]

I finally looked up Jester on the scum wiki. It's listed as a third party role, like SK. The Jester wins if lynched, not the town or the Mafia.

I'm hoping there's not more than one, and amb will let us know tomorrow if it's MNO. If not, then I predict a quick lynch tomorrow.

[Ctorj]

[Zag]

You fool! You're playing right into his hands. His role is probably that he wins if there is a 'no lynch' vote -- it's the anti-jester.

[bgg1996]

[Quailman]

You make a good point Zag. Amb has given a sort of reason through his claim for a no-lynch. Ctorj was first, wasn't he?

unvote: lucresia; vote: Ctorj

[Ctorj]

[Amb]

Yeah I could be modkilled for what I said. But I think I pushed it as much as I can to still avoid that. I really better not say any more on that line, just in case. It would majorly suck to die before I could check at least one.

[bgg1996]