Heroes Mafia:Game Over

[RubberDuck]

Point taken, didnt notice quailman voted after the count.

[Quailman]

[Sentran]

[Zag]

It seems clear that ducky was just pushing to get someone to talk, not for a lynch. While I disagree with the policy (that of pushing people to claim, which is what I assume he meant), it is a common one and not suspicious.

FOS: Quailman and Sentran for trying to paint someone as suspicious by intentionally misinterpreting his words. Oddly, I suspect Sentran more than Quail for this one. There's something about the way he talked about moving his vote -- it is like a shoulder shrug in poker as someone puts in a raise. When someone else does it, you should fold quickly.

FOS: MNO for not acting suspiciously. (For you folks who don't know the history -- MNO always seems suspicious when he is a townie, pushing for bandwagons and hopping from one to another. The fact that he isn't doing it in this game is odd, for him.) This FOS is only semi-serious.

Give me just a little while and I'll FOS everybody. That's always how I feel in this game.

[Sentran]

[Undercover Monk]

So wait if you add a smiley that makes posts less suspicious. Bull Crap! I think what Zag was saying was that you are hiding behind the smileys and jokes to push votes where you want them.

And I have to agree especially after your last post. FOS: Sentran

for now my vote stays on MNOWAX as the target of my intended policy lynch.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Zag]

[MNOWAX]

My policy lynch right now has not shown up yet.

that being said, I dont like rubber ducks.

Unvote, Vote RubberDuck
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MNOWAX

[Sentran]

[Zag]

Maybe it was hard for you to follow, Sentran.

1. I felt that your post was suspicious, because it 'felt' to me like one of the most reliable tells in poker.

2. You pointed out that you couldn't have been serious, after all, you added the smilie.

3. Thanks to your comment, I realized why it was your post felt to me like a shrug.

4. I quoted myself to explain how it all ties together.

5. I added this post, because you were obviously a little slow on the uptake.

[Lucresia]

[Sentran]

Quoted for Zag, emphasis mine.

Sentran wrote:

In re-read, I see what you meant, but my vote stands.

I was not pointing out that I couldn't have been serious, I was pointing out that I was not serious. I could have been, but I wasn't.

Everyone, please take note of the following:
I am not scum. I have something of a power role, as I'm assuming everyone does considering the subject matter, but I don't have any idea how many of them are "standard" roles. I do not have any investigation ability, nor a protection ability, nor even the ability to speak to others at night. As far as power roles go, it's pretty lame.
The past 2 games when Zag was scum, I took him out. Add to that the fact that Jedo said they should get rid of me on day one due to my ability to sniff out scum, and it begs the question why Zag is so hot for my lynch with such a flimsy argument. Simply put, he's afraid that I will expose him and his scum buddies.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[RubberDuck]

I do get annoyed at games where players on day 1 want to know beyond a shadow of a doubt whether someone is guaranteed mafia 350% and end up taking 3 - 5 weeks just because they are too paranoid to lose one player, or 'it isn't fair to randomly lynch someone.
Remember, if the game had started on night mode like most mafia games, we'd already be down 1 to 2 players already.

I am not so concerned about getting to night mode or rushing a lynch, however the best way I find to play mafia, is to get people talking or preferably arguing on day 1, get a bandwagon on someone random, hopefully they claim, lynch someone eventually, doesnt have to be the bandwagonee,
From there you find out what their role was and whether they were lying. Based on that you can then back track and look over everybodies arguments and find holes or suspiscious teamwork that give evidence for the next lynch. You can also do the same thing with anyone who dies during night mode that follows daymode.

A quick often helps mafia, (assuming that it isn't a mafia that gets lynched) because there is a usually unanimous vote with out discussion, arguing or claims to come back to. There is a need to get people talking, arguing, and the more talk the better, which I appear to have done.

And because of his suspect behaviour.
Unvote:MNOWAX
Vote:Sentran

[Sentran]

Woo-hoo! I'm popular!
Only 2 votes so far? I'm sure I can do better than that.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Jedo the Jedi]

I don't see the Duck suspicion. The target post or even lines seem taken to an extreme to prove him scum. I also currently see Zag and Sentran as bitching girls. One of them could definitely be scum, but I don't see anything yet. I'll stick with MNO for now.
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Paragon Tally: 18 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Amb]

Vote count
MNOWAX (Cloudrunner, Undercover Monk, Jedo)
Sentran (Zag, Sentran, Rubberduck)
Rubberduck (Quailman, MNOWAX, Lucresia)
Chaz (Sniklac16)
Undercover Monk (Silverfire)
Zag (Lifeinmomland)
Lucresia (Ctorj)


Not voting: Chaz (I havent looked to see if Chaz has checked in yet)

Let me know of any errors.

[Sentran]

Amb, I am currently voting for Zag, not myself.
(re-reads) Oh crap... Must preview!

Unvote, Vote: Sentran!!!
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Zag]

[Lifeinmomland]

Gads I almost bust a rib laughing. Hmm... if someone finds something suspicious and points it out... THAT is suspicious behavior!. If that is the case we are all guilty. This is gonna be another heavy WIFOM game isn't it?

I felt Rubberduck was pointing out that we should be pushing conversation, not pushing a vote, but maybe I just am not inclined to jump at shadows.

I had voted initially in the spirit of random day 1 crap, but I find I am happy with the vote. Zag's whole "poker tell" rationalization seems thin to me. On the other hand Sentran's return arguement raised certain flags for me. It could be Sentran's semi-claim or maybe Zag's eluding to Sentran being slow when in truth I thought they were both being obtuse. I am hoping that more disscussion takes place so I can ferret out what in specific is striking me as odd about this whole exchange. In the mean time...

UM's weigh-in on the conversation strikes me as odd as well. He is usually a very logic oriented player, and this time I feel as though he agreeing with Zag to quickly.

MNO isn't talking. If anything in this game is suspicious as of now, it is that, however I maintain it is possible he is not very active due to a possible absence. I will re-evaluate that if and when he posts. It is not, to my mind, enough to switch a vote for.
FOS Zag, Sentran, UM and MNO
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Who is John Gult?

[Sentran]

I admit, I'm a moron. It's what I get for rapid-firing posts between building CRM reports. At least I'm making some headway in that realm.

I've been far too quick to vote for day one, with little behind it. My vote for Chaz was a joke, Jedo was to get a rise out of him (which was only mildly successful), Zag was an OMGUS, but I still think RubberDuck's reasoning sounded fishy. Considering how well that went on day one (and day two) of last game, I'll just Unvote; Vote Sentran and wait for others to weigh in more.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Sniklac16]

i must agree that rubberduck does seem a bit too anxious to get the day over with no matter who gets lynched, but even scummier in my eyes is that silverfire hasn't really contributed anything at all so i think im gonna unvote vote silverfire at least until she pipes up a bit
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[Undercover Monk]

I still think Sentran is by far the better lynch as far as suspicious behavior goes. I happen to agree with most of rubber ducks day 1 reasoning except about claiming. In fact its basically my lynch the distractors policy lynches. I havent been wrong on day 1 for a while Im going with my gut that Sentran is scum Vote: Sentran
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Lucresia]

I am satisfied with Rubberduck's explanation and am not finding his behavior scummy, just a different play style than I am used to.

Sentran, why are you giving a semi claim when you only had two votes on you? I think if you really were town you'd be afraid to provide this information to the mafia because it gives a better idea to the mafia at who to target or not target tonight. I think this is super scummy and have my suspicion is that you're lying mafia who got nervous after a few votes.

Unvote; Vote Sentran
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[Lucresia]

I just noticed that we have UM claiming he's right again on his day 1 vote like last time when he was mafia. I think if Sentran flips town, I will find UM highly suspicous.
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"And All anybody knows, is you're not like them" -Elliott Smith

[Undercover Monk]

well last game doesnt count cause I was mafia LOL til I make a wrong day 1 lynch as town I will consider myself perfect.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Amb]

Vote count
5. Sentran (Zag, Sentran, Rubberduck, Undercover Monk, Lucresia)
2. Rubberduck (Quailman, MNOWAX)
2. MNOWAX (Cloudrunner, Jedo)
1. Silverfire (Sniklac16)
1. Undercover Monk (Silverfire)
1. Zag (Lifeinmomland)
1. Lucresia (Ctorj)

Not voting: Chaz
If anyone knows if Chaz isnt back in RL, I may seek a replacement.

[Sentran]

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a hacker in our midst. The first time I OMGUS voted ZAG, I thought I could have made a mistake, but I seriously doubted it. This time, I know for a fact I voted Zag, and re-read it several times while it was still set as Zag. After that I chose to Unvote, and had no intention of voting again for a while. Please consider first that It is far more likely that scum would have someone self-bus than town, and it should be obvious that I'm not scum. Furthermore, I'm Peter Petrelli.

I'll Unvote; Vote Sentran again, but I expect that I'll be voting myself again soon.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Sentran]

[Lucresia]

This whole scenario seems very strange and I do not think I am buying this hacker thing...I'd say maybe it's some weird power or something, but the posts aren't showing as being edited.
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"And All anybody knows, is you're not like them" -Elliott Smith

[Silverfire]

[Sentran]

In case I go soon, let it be known that Zag is very high on my current suspect list. He reads the threads far too carefully for his "freudian slip" comment to be anything other than a defensive move on his part. He would have noticed even before I did that my posts were changing.
Unvote, Vote: Sentran
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Lifeinmomland]

Does a post show up as edited if it is done by the mod? I saw Sentran's earlier post, he did OMGUS Zag, I was going through posts before I went to pick up my kids and I saw his original post.
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Who is John Gult?

[RubberDuck]

I dont know about hacking or modding but if its an 'ability' its probably Matt Parkman, a dyslexic cop who initially has Mind Reading abilities, but develops later in the series to force his thoughts into peoples heads, he can make them do, see, or act what he wants by thinking about it. Perhaps an inept cop type role?

[Lucresia]

Well maybe that would make Zag "Matt Parkman" ? Maybe whoever votes him immediately votes for whomever Zag votes for?
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"And All anybody knows, is you're not like them" -Elliott Smith

[RubberDuck]

I would have thought matt parkman would be a 'mind-reading cop', but this is an amb game, so, maybe the self vote thing could be a side-effect or a direct ability. It could mean that sentran has been investigated and votes himself as a result, sort of like the brutal cop role that investigates but leaves the target beaten up as a result. Also, in Season 2, the nightmare man is Parkmans father with the same abilities, however he only uses his mind powers to trap people in their dreams, hence 'nightmare' man. So I doubt it is Maury Parkman.

[RubberDuck]

Actually, Sentran while I think about it, Peter Petrelli absorbs other peoples abilities that are used in proximity to him, if you were peter petrelli, and someone used an ability on you, then you should be able to use it yourself. Why don't you use it to force yourself to vote someone else, or does it not work like that?

[Ctorj]

I'm tired at this point at night, but I think I see what Sentran is getting at as far as a certain power is being forced on him. Whether I believe it or not is another thing. This being Heroes mafia, I do believe such a power can exist. What an awfully weird power though. (Yes, I only saw about 3 episodes of Heroes. I did like the series though)

I don't think Sentran's apparently forced behavior is scummy. If he was scum, why would he attract that much attention on purpose? Of course, we'll lynch him! Scum wouldn't want to do that on purpose. I could be wrong, but it seems too obvious. I'll hold off, for now since it is possible that a scum is doing this to him. In the meantime, MNO's reason for vote RD is....weak......to say the least.

unvote; vote: MNOWAX
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[Quailman]

[Zag]

unvote

A role that allows someone to change someone else's votes is funny, but very scary. I don't believe in claiming, but I will say that this post-changing has nothing to do with me, at least that I know of. Possibly it's an aspect of my role that I don't know of, but I doubt that's the case. Someone else has the ability, and is looking to create chaos.

Obviously, Sentran, the reason that I didn't notice your Freudian slip until after you pointed it out is because it hadn't been changed yet, when I saw it. I see that your later one, one that definitely said that you were voting for me, has changed.

Oddly, I think that this clears you, in my eyes. I doubt that a scum would change his own or his buddy's vote that way.

Mom, if a moderator changes someone else's post, it won't show as edited. However, if he changes his own, it would. Of course, an administrator (as I am) could always create a new account, make that account a moderator, and use the other account to edit his own post without leaving a trace. It wasn't I.

[Zag]

One more thing: With the bizarre vote changing that is going on, do NOT bring anyone to L-1, or even L-2, without a clear intention of lynching him. A vote change behind you could make your vote the hammer.

Let's speculate on this vote-changing role for a bit. It is probably a scum ability, but maybe it is a passive or even unknown ability that someone has. If it is a scum ability, I would say to whoever has it that you used it poorly. Rather than just using it to create a little chaos, you should have used it to turn an L-1 call for comment into a lynching. Hah! Too late now.

Is there anyone here who knows the show well enough to guess what role might have such an ability? I saw the show only a few times in the first season, so I don't know much about it. I remember that there was one guy who could stop time. He used it to peek at his opponents' cards in poker, but he couldn't change their actions. From seeing glimpses of the show later, I know that there is one guy who went (far) back in time, but I don't know how much control he had over it, or whether or not he could change the actions of other heroes.