V Mafia - Game Over - Town Wins!

[Lifeinmomland]

YOU
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Who is John Gult?

[Lifeinmomland]

Oh. I remember seeing that character in the show. That was not an option I considered mainly because I didn't remember it til was brought up here. Assuming no one disputes your claim with a reasonable argument I accept your claim.

Time to go back over posts.

UNVOTE
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Who is John Gult?

[MNOWAX]

NO! CTORJ IS LYING!

I am a Doc, but i also have a one time self protect from lynch or NK. The mod told me night one that i had used that up on night one. YOU BS ARTIST YOU WILL HANG!!!

Unvote, Vote Ctorj
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The Man The Myth The Legend
MNOWAX

[Sentran]

MNO, add a name to your claim or you get my vote.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Lifeinmomland]

[Sentran]

LIML...

[MNOWAX]

Father Jack Landry, the Military Chaplain. I'm alined with the Fifth Column / Town. I'm a doc, with one time lynch / NK protection. I actually laughed when i saw it, because i would last at least one day, despite my play style.
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The Man The Myth The Legend
MNOWAX

[Sniklac16]

Personally I think the ctorj claim is bs, it just seems too convienient. I'm more inclined to believe mnowax claim since it does look like he was targeted night 1 and survived. I'm happy with my ctorj vote, for now anyways.
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What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.

[Zag]

[Amb]

I only really wanted the one claim, but now we have multiple, including from those who werent under pressure to do so...

[itisally]

Well dang! Half my logic is shot and the other half is in question. Thanks for the claim Ctorj. True or not it has helped me out. Right now I am leaning towards true.

unvote
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I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong.

[Sentran]

I'm inclined to believe the name claims thus far, as they are pretty major characters and I doubt those names would be given as a safe claim.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Amb]

So you think a safe claim actually isnt?

[Lucresia]

Vote Count #3 - Day 3

3 Ctorj (Sniklac16, RubberDuck, MNOWAX)
1 Zag (raekuul)
1 MNOWAX (Amb)
2 Sentran (Ctorj, Quailman)
1 raekuul (Jedo the Jedi)
1 Quailman (Sentran)

Not voting: Zag, Lifeinmomland, itisally

7 to Lynch!
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"And All anybody knows, is you're not like them" -Elliott Smith

[raekuul]

unvote

It feels like we've got a claim-counterclaim going on here between Ctorj and MNOWAX, but I find that I have to agree with Zag. They both may well be telling the truth.

Sentran, on further review I have decided that Quailman is right about you, in that you deserve to be voted. If you want to pull the timestamps thing again, let me remind you that (1) I did it first, to great effect, (2) I specifically looked for whether or not the lynchee could reasonably have defended themself within that time period, and (3) your timestamps theory completely ignores the possibility that one of the lurkers could have done it.

Vote: Sentran

[Sentran]

Well, that's 3 votes for me. As I stated before, albeit as a joke, scumhunting is an obvious scumtell. I am Kyle Hobbes, fifth column.

Ctorj, LIML, and MNO have all claimed. I have not found fault with any of their claims. Of those, Ctorj is voting me, MNO is voting Ctorj, and LIML is not voting at all. If someone can tell me who else is near the top of the suspect list, or if Quailman were to claim, I'd be happy to change my vote.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Amb]

I think we need to lynch based on likelihood of role actually existing now, not rolename. Safe claims are exactly that. They can be "Alice from Dilbert", "Claire Bennet from Heroes", "Vanity from the Smurfs". They are roles you would genuinely expect to be in the game. I was going to finish my analysis tonight, but now I feel as though I have to start from scratch. A mass claim.......

[Ctorj]

unvote

I'll have to do a reread tomorrow. Good night everyone.
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[Jedo the Jedi]

It almost seems as if it is heading that way, Amb. I think it's too early and people need to stop. There are still twelve alive and we don't even know what sort of powers scum has. I propose lynching Ctorj for the information or the most suspicious unclaimed person. I don't think either will be hugely detrimental, and it will give town one more night of results. We could massclaim tomorrow depending on who is still alive.

(My suggestion of Ctorj is based on his connections to others and the dubious claim. Everybody else's I believe.)
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Paragon Tally: 18 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Jedo the Jedi]

It almost seems as if it is heading that way, Amb. I think it's too early and people need to stop. There are still twelve alive and we don't even know what sort of powers scum has. I propose lynching Ctorj for the information or the most suspicious unclaimed person. I don't think either will be hugely detrimental, and it will give town one more night of results. We could massclaim tomorrow depending on who is still alive.

(My suggestion of Ctorj is based on his connections to others and the dubious claim. Everybody else's I believe.)
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Paragon Tally: 18 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Ctorj]

While I agree that more claims do not need to be made today, proposing lynching a claimed roleblocker??? Why don't we vig the claimed doctor while we're at it.....*facepalm*

Scared of getting role-blocked tonight, are we?

vote: Jedo the Jedi

I think this is a good starting point.
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[Lifeinmomland]

I will be out of communication until this evening with kids activities and my last final.

At this time I have not had a chance to do a reread and my vote will remain no placed until I do.
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Who is John Gult?

[MNOWAX]

ctorj can NOT be a role blocker. in the fact that if he blocked my role, I'd be dead.
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MNOWAX

[Quailman]

Was your "one-time self-protect from lynch or night-kill" a directed protection, or did you use your ability to protect someone else and get automatically saved N1?

[MNOWAX]

directed. if i chose to not protect anyone, i would have the ability to not die if targeted.
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MNOWAX

[Quailman]

So... If Ctorj blocked you, you wouldn't have been protected, but that alone would not have killed you. You would have to have been targeted by a killer. You might not have been targeted by a killer; someone else might have been. That person could have had doc protection (no one died that night), but MNO is our claimed doc, and he says he self-protected. The existence of two docs seems unlikely.

unvote: Sentran; vote: Ctorj

I am begrudgingly unvoting Sentran because Fifth Column sounds like a difficult claim to fake. I'd prefer to lynch him based on his insistence on using faulty logic. Right now, though, I think we have a winner in Ctorj.

[itisally]

[Lucresia]

Itisally, there are always alternate win conditions in mafia. Town roles will have a win condition to eliminate threats to the town, while mafia is trying to out number town. Although there can be several different win conditions put in a game, the point of this rule is that if you play even to the point of your death and beyond for whatever your role is. The best example I can think of would be..as mafia, mafia should not "out" your other mafia members because you died, it would go against your condition of trying to win.
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[Jedo the Jedi]

Here's the problem with your claim, Ctorj: you said you can "randomly" (whatever that means) stop a mafia power if you target them, but that you'll just be "unsuccessful" if you target anyone else. That says nothing about being a doc or a traditional roleblocker. You only block mafia kills and do nothing to town? Nonsense. That's the dubiousness of your claim. Ally putting your posts together connected it for me. That claim is nonsense.

vote Ctorj

Let's lynch Ctorjscum so we can go tonight and acquire more information.
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Paragon Tally: 18 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Ctorj]

[MNOWAX]

*gets noose ready* I love it when Scum try to lie to get out of the swinging. I think I'll make you suffer for tis one scum!
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MNOWAX

[Ctorj]

[itisally]

I kinda meant besides the basic two of town tries to lynch mafia and mafia avoids detection until they have killed off town.
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I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong.

[Amb]

Ctorj: I am Joshua, Visitor turned Fifth Column/Town (Spy). As your newscast references, I am the Top Ranking Medical Officer. If I spy on a mafia, I can randomly stop their action. I won't be told what it was, only if they go out to kill. If they are not mafia, then I will be told I was unsuccessful.

Lifeinmomland: I am Chad Decker, town and fifth column. I will admit I must interpret the newscasts on my own, but now I will lay it all out and you guys can make the call. I will regret it if this gets me killed. I am able to target one person a night, and the newscast in the morning is adjusted based on my choice.

MNOWAX: Ordinary doc (Has he posted a role name?)

Now I dont know about you, but LIML can prove her own claim by picking someone tonight, but announcing it before she does. The mafia then would have multiple targets out in the open, and may well not be able to cover all their bases. (But lets not forget that LIML's ability could be a mafia ability to out power roles - not that she needs it at current claim rate).


I tend to believe Ctorj's role. I tend to think that MNO is the most likely liar of the three. It bothers me that he claimed Doc under no pressure to do so. He wouldn't have been the mafia target tonight except by fluke. If he is telling the truth, he lurked and lurked and then suicided. So I don't see him being truthful, because, he knows how to play better as town.

Anyway: Newsposts

The first day had no real news because no one died.
The second news post had information about.... doctors... and Ctorj claimed Top Ranking Medical Officer.
The second part of the news post had information about the death. Without that part of the news, we wouldnt know ANYTHING about Silverfire being dead. So that clears Ctorj completely in my eyes? Why, because if we relied on LIML to hit the right person just to get a death scene, then the mafia would kill her (or if she was mafia then redirect her) and we wouldnt have any info. So clearly the top half of the news post relates to Ctorj, and the bottom half relates to the death. If LIML dies, we will probably still get news about deaths, but in a different form.

So this is my opinion:
1. LIML has indirectly cleared Ctorj
2. LIML is probably town, though we cant clear her totally. In EITHER instance Ctorj is still cleared. ("Hostile witness"? Cant think of the term - in a legal situation where evidence from an opposing view can be used to prove something)
3. MNO is therefore possibly lying: Due to lack of posting/content, and lack of need to claim. What I do about MNO: I dont know. He could just be mad.

I believe I can align 4/12 players as town right now. There is a fifth im reasonably sure about. We can afford to be wrong about MNO.

[Quailman]

unvote: Ctorj for now.

I have to head out the door, but amb's post has me reconsidering...

[Lucresia]

Vote Count #4 - Day 3

4 Ctorj (Sniklac16, RubberDuck, MNOWAX, Jedo the Jedi)
1 MNOWAX (Amb)
1 Sentran (raekuul)
1 Quailman (Sentran)
1 Jedo the Jedi (Ctorj)

Not voting: Zag, Lifeinmomland, itisally, Quailman

7 to Lynch!
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"And All anybody knows, is you're not like them" -Elliott Smith

[RubberDuck]

Sorry I havent been on in the last few days, I have been very sick since the weekend and am still not 100%, I'll try and get up to speed in the next day or so.

[Jedo the Jedi]

[Sniklac16]

Like i stated before i'm more inclined to believe mnowax over ctorj. I think his vote on Durryn was a distancing vote and seemed like he was hoping no one would lynch him. Then theres the fact that all day hes really done nothing but defend himself over and over and really contributed nothing. Then theres his claim, which in my opinion, just sounds like bs or too percfect. Also hes voted at least 3 different people already today with little to no reason. Plus he continues to try and get the focus on other players instead of himself. To me he just screams guilty. My vote stands
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What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.

[Ctorj]