V Mafia - Game Over - Town Wins!

[Lucresia]

Vote Count #3:
4 Amb (Ctorj, MNOWAX, Zag, itisally)
3 Sentran (Durryn, Sniklac16, Amb)
1 ctorj (Quailman)
1 Durryn (raekuul)
1 Jedo (Sentran)

Not voting: Lifeinmomland, Silverfire, Jedo the Jedi, RubberDuck

8 to Lynch!
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[Durryn]

I have read 16 games including the last one ( Heroes ) I have to admit the odds of catching scum day one appear to be about ...... 72% against.

If you can get lucky enough to grab one right off the trend seems to hold and Town wins, other wise it appears to be about 50/50......

As anyone we choose is as good/bad as another right now.........


Unvote; Vote Amb
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[Sentran]

What the heck, when logic fails, OMGUS!
Unvote, Vote: Amb
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[RubberDuck]

I think today's day one takes the cake over the last one.

Vote: Amb

For trying to logically confuse a confusingly logical day vote.

[Amb]

Wow 7 votes. So shall we end the day here and now, and go without any useful information into night? I dont think so. Sure we dont want a two-week day, but rushing the first day? At the very least you want to give your town power roles something to analyse so they can make their choices.

Regarding my FOS on Jedo, it was clearly meant to be MNOWAX. I just transposed in the name of my mafia partner by accident. Nothing critical at all.

[Lifeinmomland]

oh dear. AMB seems to be in trouble. Me thinks it might be some hidden aggression for giving us all fits last game ...

Hmmm... who shall I vote for?

I believe I will land my vote on ... TRICKSY HOBBIT!!!!!
(VOTE SENTRAN)
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[RubberDuck]

Hahaha, I didnt even count them. Lucky that wasn't number 8 Amb

Unvote:Amb

[RubberDuck]

[Amb]

Stretching beyond your elasticity there duck? Maybe I was too hasty in removing my vote from you. But at least you did unvote me.

[Zag]

Whoa! I jump in this morning and see the quick run up -- nearly a lynch. Of those last few, Sentran's looks to me as if he is trying too hard to give a reason, when the real reason was 'lynch a townie.'

unvote Amb, vote Sentran

[raekuul]

Oh, please. It's still day one. Everything anyone does or does not say or do is a scumtell.

If anyone gets my vote or FoS at this point, it's MNOWAX for, in his own words, voting Amb on Principle. unvote, FOS: MNOWAX

[Lucresia]

Vote Count #4:
5 Amb (Ctorj, MNOWAX, itisally, Durryn, Sentran)
4 Sentran (Zag, Lifeinmomland, Sniklac16, Amb)
1 Ctorj (Quailman)


Not voting: raekuul, Silverfire, Jedo the Jedi, RubberDuck

8 to Lynch!
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[Sentran]

I could unvote, but now I'm wondering why my vote more than everyone else's is being scrutinized enough to start a bandwagon on me. I'm happy with mine for the time being.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Ctorj]

Wow. I leave the game for 24 hours and this happens??

unvote

Clearly, we have a scum or 2 on that quick lynch.

FOS: RubberDuck, Sentran & Durryn At least one of these guys are scum. In the end game, I will requote this and say

[Lifeinmomland]

So... everyone is doing the random day 1 stuff... and ZAG decides an OMGUS vote is trying to hard? Really? I am thinking this is a case of pot/kettle. I second that puh-lease!

If I had asked the closest scum to raise their hand so I would know who to vote for... Zag would have been it. I do not dismiss the timing of Sentran's vote... but gosh... it is day one, and I keep getting told random non-sequitur in the name of the game for voting day 1.

[Sniklac16]

Dammit ctorj beat me to it haha oh well im going to unvote vote rubberduck for the same reason ctorj stated
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[Amb]

Im going to specify my FOS on Rduck a bit more

"Hahaha, I didnt even count them. Lucky that wasn't number 8 Amb "

The implication of ducks statement quoted here, is that he was going to bandwagon completely. No hint of a real joke, but a quick pile on. Had he been the 8th, he'd have hammered and had a good cover story the next day. The problem I have is that as town: He wasnt interested enough in finding scum. As scum: He had very good reason to behave like he did - following the town - following the flow, and it might have been a very good excuse tomorrow. If we are to lynch a townie by error, then getting rid of one who flagrantly avoids trying is a good reason. Especially when the odds are higher of not being town.

Now to contradict myself. RD in heroes mafia behaved like scum. He used his night ability like scum. He flagrantly lied about it, and hinted at a scumrole (the puppetmaster) who could be doing it. And didnt really contribute that much to the final result. So that really does make it hard to predict his role. I suspect Duck plays more to see how far he gets rather than finding the actual scum.

Zag said: "I'm pretty sure he was kidding, but he deserves to swing for it, anyway." I could apply very similar reasons to the above. Lynching for lynchings sake would achieve nothing. Why? Because you can't learn about relationships with other players if you are too hasty. If you lynch me now, you can now gain a lot more: eg LifeInMomLand's distancing from the events, Ctorjs apparent reaction, Sentran retaining his vote etc. So in the end it's worked out, but it wouldnt have had RD's rushed reaction been the 8th. All that valuable info would have been lost.

Unvote Sentran
There isnt enough on him to merit him swinging.
Vote Rubberduck
I expect him to lie even if he is town at the moment. So im not totally sure if I just want him under pressure to claim, or simply to swing.

[Sentran]

That's more like it. Now that my OMGUS vote is pointless...
Unvote

I'm not sure which direction to go from here, so I'll just wait and see what happens. Day 1 lynches always yield more information in retrospect anyway.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Jedo the Jedi]

Creating multiple choice tests is stupid. Is there a quick way to do it?

Anyway, I'll throw in that the wagon on Amb was ridiculous. Had I been on earlier when it first started, I gladly would have thrown my vote on there, but I would have paid attention to the number of votes on him and I would have been calling for a claim around L-2. That was poorly handled, and I'm sure scum fed. I believe Amb is likely town at this point (though leave it to Amb to play that off in the same cool manner even if he is scum).

As for my vote, I see the arguments for both Sentran and Duck. They are totally reasonable and even plausible at that. However, I'm going with Mom by voting for Zag. Her post is strange to me, but I think she's on the money. Zag voted Amb for a poor reason, and clarified by making it half serious. Then he turns on Sentran "trying too hard to give a reason," which is actually what his vote feels like to me. Let's see where this goes.

vote Zag
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Paragon Tally: 18 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Amb]

If I was able to day vig (I cant) and forced to do so right now (obviously not the case): Id be hard-pressed to pick between Zag and RubberDuck. But RD's vote was far more careless, and generally scum are more careless when voting. I'd expect a town member to actually realise that the were casting L-1 and react that way. I'd expect a scum to push it quickly and make out not realising.

Yes I am aware that if it were that easy this game would be a walk in the park. But still...

[Zag]

Let me be more precise in my reasoning. My vote on Amb was only mildly serious, and mostly a joke, and it only brought him to 3 votes. Then I came back only a few hours later and he is at 7 votes! (Actually, back down to 6 by the time I posted, but, reading in chronological order, I was surprised.)

With 4 quick votes, I thought, surely one of them, at least, is scum. They were (in order) itisally, Durryn, Sentran, RubberDuck. I looked at those and asked myself which of them sounds the most phony, the most like a scum trying to see an early bandwagon turn into a lynching. Of the four, I thought Sentran's post sounded the most false. I hardly feel confidant about it, but it seems like the most likely choice, to me. Also, my record for finding scum on day one is horrendous, so I don't have much faith in this choice; it's just all I got.

[Jedo the Jedi]

On the other hand, my record is pretty decent. I think I'll stick where I'm at.
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Paragon Tally: 18 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Zag]

[Jedo the Jedi]

I overlooked the "on day one" part. I didn't mean to overstate my scum-hunting prowess.
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Paragon Tally: 18 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[RubberDuck]

RME
Actually I did not suggest the puppetmaster role in heroes mafia, stop twisting things to make it look like i'm in behaving a certain way.

Past game this, past game that. This is not a past game. This is this game.

[RubberDuck]

Obviously, I have a pet hate for past game references. If you couldn't tell.

[Lucresia]

Vote Count #5:
3 Amb (MNOWAX, itisally, Durryn)
3 Rubberduck (Ctorj, Sniklac16, Amb)
2 Zag (Lifeinmomland, Jedo the Jedi)
1 Sentran (Zag)
1 Ctorj (Quailman)

Not voting: Sentran , raekuul, Silverfire, RubberDuck

8 to Lynch!
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"And All anybody knows, is you're not like them" -Elliott Smith

[RubberDuck]

[Sentran]

[itisally]

Well at least we have some real conversations now. Nothing useful happens on day one untill someone id POd I fully admit that for me the bandwagon on Amb was just to get the ball rolling. That being said, I too was suprised to get on today and see him at L-1. SO unvote

After that I am not sure what to make of it. Zag and Sentran have lots to say and that makes them easy targets. But I haven't seen anything that really bothered me.

Rubberduck was careless; is that really a scum tell? I am not sure. But it could have ended badly. Also he tries to use time delay as a reason for suspicion rather than acknowledging the time it takes to develop a reasonable response.

For now fos: Rubberduck

off topic: Jedo, There are some freeware test makers online you can download. I haven't tried any as my school provides us with one.
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[Jedo the Jedi]

Duck, in all seriousness and somewhat off-topic, I know you don't like the use of past-game information (henceforth known as "meta"), but it is useful. It's just like learning a person's personality, thus in some way we see certain people have tendencies. I bandwagon all the time, so if I don't, it's likely something is different. I know these things can lead to WIFOM (and that's its own mess), but psychologically speaking people are going to slip back into that comfortable way of playing given enough time. So, meta is useful.

Now, usually there is something in the rules along the lines of "don't take anything personally." It's a good rule because people are going to be sneaky and under-handed, especially if they are scum, especially if scum is Amb. He was so wriggly in Soprano's Mafia and had so much ad hominem that it didn't seem likely we would succeed in lynching him. This went so far as to cause me to second-guess myself and my ability to be logical. Post-game, he told me I actually had done a good job but the town wasn't listening to me.

(somewhat back on-topic) What you have pointed out could potentially be Amb being scum and trying to paint you. Go with that. It's reasonable. I don't really see it, but I have seen him (and Sentran) do that before and it's a good tactic.
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Paragon Tally: 18 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Lucresia]

Thanks Jedo,

Rule 10 has been amended to include this.

10.) Do not play against your win condition and do not take anything personally. For all you know it might be part of their role...and have fun!
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[Lifeinmomland]

Hey, RD. Go for a car ride, and rip AMB a new one, there in your car all by yourself. It helps me. You wouldn't BELIEVE the stuff I yell at Sentran when I am driving alone.
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[Ctorj]

[Silverfire]

Hmmm. . . Durryn was fifth on the Amb bandwagon but has largely escaped notice. This was his reasoning:

[Durryn]

Woot, I got a vote!!!! Hold on, that's a bad thing

I honestly must say I was just following the trend. I have no idea who to vote for as I can't make heads or tails out of most of the so called "scum tells"

Sneezing on the sabbath, eye rolls at bad puns, being 3rd to vote for some one, or in my case 5th?. It's all a little confusing for me.

That said Unvote

No FOS

Crud!!!! Just watching and learning, aka Lurking, is a scum tell too!!!!!!

LOL, Even after all the previous game I have read I still don't get these tells [/b][/dice]
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[itisally]

Silverfire said

[Undercover Monk]

[Sentran]

In the interest of keeping conversation going, I decided to do an impromptu post count for the game. I only bothered with those playing the game (Sorry UM). I feel that it's easy for the scum to hide in the background on day one and then join random townie bandwagons until one sticks.

8: Amb
7: Ctorj, Durryn
6: RubberDuck
5: Jedo the Jedi, Zag
4: itisally, raekuul
3: Lifeinmomland
2: Quailman, Sniklac16
1: MNOWAX, Silverfire

When you add in that Silverfire was also the last person to post in the thread, it makes her look pretty lurky to me. FOS: Silverfire

Of course, as I'm sure others will point out, this is completely self-serving. I am a very talkative person. In fact, this is my 13th post this game.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Amb]

The town gathered around the non playing UM, and wreaked vengeance on his body. He was well hung.

No wait...

Congratulations town you have lynched a parasite. A poster who should have signed up.

But seriously, the post counts at the moment arent any more indicative than my logic or anyone elses. This is day 1, and any jump saying XYZ is definitely scum is wrong. I think you can only go on probablities at the moment. Right now I think youd be better to map clear relationships. Whether I like it or not I have a clear link to Rubberduck. Whether I like it or not I have never till now mentioned Durryn or Itsally. That would be infinitely far more useful later on when people are dead.