True Blood Mafia GAME OVER

[MNOWAX]

[Sniklac16]

It was dead night in Bon Temps, and being from the sticks meant it was extremely dark. The citizens were gathered together discussing what to do about Zag. They felt he was a danger to their town. Suddenly there was a snap of a twig and into the light of the fire stepped Zag himself. He was immediately seized but gave up no resistance. "My friends" he called out "I mean you no harm, I am one of you and you have known me for years I only want to help" "Liar" yelled some "Murderer" yelled more He was then lined up and was about to be executed, when he simply frowned, lowered mhis head, and closed his eyes. There was a blinding white light and he was gone.

it is now night....no lynch has occurred deadline for night actions is in 72 hours from this post.
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[Sniklac16]

Day broke...The citizens of Bon Tepms, confused as to what happened the night before, gathered once more in front of Merlottes. However there were two missing. "I'll go look for them" one person called. An hour passed and he returned white faced and in shock. "Dead, both of them"

quailman - sookie stackhouse doctor killed night 2

ctorj - jessica hamby townie killed night 2

It is now day with 11 alive it will take 6 to lynch
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[Zag]

What a disaster. When we bagged a scum the first day, and then went the first night without a kill, I thought we were way ahead, and could coast to a win. Now our doc is dead and our cop has outed himself. Assuming he really is a cop; now even I am having doubts. I had bought into the whole case against Quailman, and I was wrong about Ctorj, too, so I don't trust my judgement.

Jedo, are you that devious a player to work THAT hard to bus a scum buddy on the first day? I still can't believe it. I also find it a little hard to believe a scum would claim cop so early -- there is too much risk of a counter claim. I guess I'm sticking by Jedo, for now. Does anyone else want to make the case otherwise?

Just looking around for someone to blame, Lucresia first made the case against Quailman. Note that this was after the bgg bandwagon had started to collapse, but then (due to Jedo's pushing) had started up again. It looks like a completely legitimate argument, but also read it, assuming the author's point of view is as bgg's scum buddy.

[Sentran]

Vote: Zag!
A flash of light and magical escape? Does that sound to anyone else like the Maenad from season 2?
I don't yet have a read on the SK Renee, but I'm still convinced that Zag is scum.
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[Zag]

Why do you assume an SK? Why not a vig? Jedo and I weren't the only ones convinced that Quailman was scum -- he had six votes on him at one point. Sure, some of them were you and your scum buddies, but not all.

Oh, wait, you must know something.

If Quailman was the mafia night-kill (and you knew it), then SK is the right assumption. I agree that a vig probably would not have killed Ctorj -- I seemed to be the only one who suspected him at all, and I was convinced by the end that I was inventing monsters. So, you and your buddies figured out that Q was the doc and you offed him? You, knowing that it was Ctorj and not Quailman killed by the outside agent, you deduced that it must be an SK, not a vig. A nice deduction, except that it gives away that you had more knowledge than the rest of us.

vote: Sentran

[itisally]

Well, I am not totally surprised that they went for Quail. It was way too early to be claiming, although with that much pressure... Ctorj surprises me. He had been pretty quiet. I haven't been on much lately. I am going to give this some thought.

I am still uncertain of Sentran. He has been voting without giving much information and it means he knows something. Is it his logic? A night ability? Or does he know more because he is scum and trying to avoid saying too much.
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[MNOWAX]

Jedo, Did you investigate CtorJ?
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MNOWAX

[Durryn]

You fooled me last time. This time I followed Quail to your house and he died. Time to join him scum!!!!!

Vote: Sentran
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[Undercover Monk]

that doesnt make any sense durryn if quail went to sentran that means he was protecting sentran, not that sentran killed him. it doesnt clear him either but it def. doesnt incriminate him.
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[Zag]

Ally, are you also declaring that you know which kill was by the scum? It is helpful when you scum identify yourselves this way.

MNO, that seems an odd question. Jedo, whom did you investigate?

Durryn, while I appreciate the support, I'm not sure I understand the reasoning. I don't know of a role that Sentran could have that work that way.

In going back, I also reread my own post. While I do think there is something to it, it's not enough to convict on; most of my vote was just OMGUS, and it's too late in the game for that. I'll wait and see if Sentran does anything else scummy. Maybe there will be something in the new vote analysis, which I'll do later. unvote Sentran

[Zag]

I fixed the mistake I had made the other time. I've double-checked and I don't believe there are any mistakes in this one.

known scum are in bold
known townies are underlined

Sentran <-- Quailman
Quailman <-- Zag
Quailman <-- Zag, MNO
Quailman <-- Zag, MNO, bgg
Spyrl <-- Sentran
Lucresia <-- Silverfire
Sentran <-- Quailman, UM
raekuul <-- Durryn
MNO <-- Zag
Sentran <-- Quailman, UM, spyrl
Lucresia <-- Silverfire, raekuul
Durryn <-- itisally
itisally <-- Lucresia
Quailman <-- MNO, bgg, Jedo
----------------------------------- post 29, official vote count
Silverfire <-- raekuul
raekuul <-- Durryn, Lucresia
(raekuul unvotes)
Quailman <-- MNO, bgg, Jedo, Sentran
--------------------- Joking period seems over.
(itisally unvotes)
(Durryn unvotes)
itisally <-- Lucresia, MNO
itisally <-- Lucresia, MNO, bgg
itisally <-- Lucresia, MNO, bgg, Quailman
(Zag points out the suspiciousness of the quick run on itisally.)
Zag <-- bgg
bgg <-- Zag
Zag <-- bgg, MNO
raekuul <-- MNO
bgg <-- Zag, Durryn
(Sentran unvotes)
----------------------------------- post 59, official vote count
Zag <-- bgg, Sentran
bgg <-- Zag, Durryn, Jedo
bgg <-- Zag, Durryn, Jedo, Sentran
bgg <-- Zag, Durryn, Jedo, Sentran, Ctorj
bgg <-- Zag, Durryn, Jedo, Sentran, Ctorj, Lucresia
(Silverfire unvotes)
Jedo <-- MNO
(Ctorj unvotes)
Zag <-- bgg, Quailman
Silverfire <-- raekuul, Durryn
Quailman <-- Zag
spyrl <-- Quailman
----------------------------------- post 128, official vote count
(bgg unvotes)
Quailman <-- Zag, MNO
bgg <-- Jedo, Sentran, Lucresia, spyrl
bgg <-- Jedo, Sentran, Lucresia, spyrl, Durryn
bgg <-- Jedo, Sentran, Lucresia, spyrl, Durryn, MNO
Zag <-- UM
Quailman <-- Zag, MNO, bgg
bgg <-- Jedo, Sentran, Lucresia, spyrl, Durryn, MNO, Quailman
bgg <-- Jedo, Sentran, Lucresia, spyrl, Durryn, MNO, Quailman, Ctorj
----------------------------------- Day 1 ends. Post 189
Zag <-- Sentran
Zag <-- Sentran, UM
Zag <-- Sentran, UM, MNO
Ctorj <-- Zag
Quailman <-- Lucresia
raekuul <-- Quailman
Quailman <-- Lucresia, Jedo
Quailman <-- Lucresia, Jedo, Zag
Jedo <-- MNO
Zag <-- Sentran, UM, MNO
Quailman <-- Lucresia, Jedo, Zag, Silverfire
Zag <-- Sentran, UM, MNO, Quailman
Zag <-- Sentran, UM, MNO, Quailman, Ctorj
Quailman <-- Lucresia, Jedo, Zag, Silverfire, MNO
(Sentran unvotes)
----------------------------------- post 265, official vote count
Zag <-- UM, Quailman, Ctorj, Sentran
Zag <-- UM, Quailman, Ctorj, Sentran, Durryn
Quailman <-- Lucresia, Jedo, Zag, Silverfire, MNO, Sentran
(Sentran unvotes)
Sentran <-- Durryn
Sentran <-- Durryn, Zag
---- Jedo proposes lynching Zag to test his claim. The rest of the votes for him (except, perhaps, Sentran's) are artificial.
Zag <-- UM, Quailman, Ctorj, Jedo
Zag <-- UM, Quailman, Ctorj, Jedo, Sentran
Zag <-- UM, Quailman, Ctorj, Jedo, Sentran, Zag
(Zag unvotes)
Zag <-- UM, Quailman, Ctorj, Jedo, Sentran, Durryn
Zag <-- UM, Quailman, Ctorj, Jedo, Sentran, Durryn, raekuul
----------------------------------- Day 2 ends. Post 322

[Jedo the Jedi]

That stinks. A couple preliminary things: 1) If it is a vig who made the second kill last night, we are going to have words after this game. 2) I'm not altogether surprised by Quailman's alignment, but I am a little by his death.

First of all, I received a no result last night. If there is a town roleblocker who targeted me, let's just say you are in the same boat as the potential vig. If it is a scum roleblocker, you are a genius. Anyway, I'm a vanilla townie for now.

Second, why are Sentran and Zag voting each other? (I know Zag has now unvoted.) The entire point of the lynch yesterday was to confirm people. Zag is cleared because he was telling the truth regarding his protection which means Sentran's targeting of him the night before was not for the purpose of killing (so Sentran is also cleared). Durryn is cleared because he was correct about whom Sentran visited, and I'm cleared because Zag is indeed town. Of course, somebody can come up with some explanation for why any of these people can be scum, but the odds are low and should be ignored until there is further, more incriminating evidence.

Third, I have some ideas about who I think is scum, but I need to wait for more interactions first. For now, as I've hinted, I believe any votes for Sentran or Zag are pointless and potentially scummy.
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Paragon Tally: 18 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Durryn]

Grrrr, how dare you attack my gut reaction with logic!!!!!


unvote

Darn it, I thought I had it too........

Sorry Sentran.
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[itisally]

[MNOWAX]

[Jedo the Jedi]

I don't care what you want, MNO. I didn't receive a result, so I'm not telling whom I investigated because then people will know who I viewed as scummy enough to pursue, and I don't really like playing my cards that openly.
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Paragon Tally: 18 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Zag]

[Zag]

[Sentran]

Unvote
Jedo's post about honest semi-claims has the ring of truth to it, so I will focus on someone else. Of course, the best scum players include a lot of truth in their posts, so it is still not a guarantee of innocence.
Vote: Silverfire
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"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[MNOWAX]

Then I Pretty sure who is scum/SK then.

Vote: Jedo.

Two people visited Ctorj last night, Jedo and someone else I will not reveal just yet. One of those two killed him, and I now i can totally confirm who.

I'm Jesus Velasquez, Watcher. Night 3 I got the previous result, Night two I got Zag Visiting Ctorj. Night One I got Quail and Jedo Visiting Spyrl.

It makes sense. Jedo attempted to kill Spyrl N1 but was he was Doc protected. Night 2 I dunno why Zag Visited Ctorj, but he did. Night three, Surprise surprise, Jedo strikes again.

After so many times being wrong, I can finally prove that he is a killer for sure. Why would he lie about being a cop? He must be scum or an SK, no vig would lie about being a cop as well. This is the genius part of my madness.
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MNOWAX

[Zag]

Well, that makes it easy. There have only been two nights, MNO. I could see you making a mistake about what night something happened, but not that you would remember more investigations than there were.

vote: MNO

[Undercover Monk]

Interesting cause I jut finished a look at you and jedo through bggs lynch. and based on that I was going to vote you but if your right about MNO then that makes you less suspicious. Im going to go ahead and post what I have but I will hold off on the vote til this MNO issue is looked at

Post 6: Zag votes Quailman
Post 14: Zag votes MNOWAX for being MNO
Post 27: Jedo votes Quail (his first vote)
Post 37: says the joking period is over and yet makes a joke at the end of this post.
Post 39: admits his thinking concerning Quail in 37 is very WIFOM

(It is this kind of post that had me feeling you were scummy. A lot of words without much real content. That’s not the Zag I know. I don’t always agree with you but you usually are more plain with your arguments maybe Im just not following. I will see.)

Post 45: Zag notes the quick run on itsally and says one of the four must be scu (bgg later attacks this theory)

Post 49: Zag votes bgg for his accusations
Post 56: after being called out by bgg he admits bgg has a point but still thinks hes scum
Post 57: Jedo first serious post he adds to bgg
Post 69: Jedo makes a good response to bgg post and while I disagree with his arguments there is nothing particularly scummy about it other than a continued association with Zag which as I have said isn’t much
Post 72: Wow zag points out that bgg totally called him on BS reasoning that doesn’t seem to be enough to change his vote

(This is a big post in determining Zags innocence or guilt for me. He supports bgg IMHO because he hopes to avoid a lynch if possible but doesn’t want to change votes on bgg and be viewed as a flip-flopper. The one time I played with Zag as scum we agreed to accuse each other early to distance this appears to me to be the case.)

Post 78: a very logical post once again and a good one at that. Im less and less sure over Jedo guilt.
Post 85: another big post by Zag. Here he reponds to several post made by Jedo concerning bgg’s evidence. And encourages not to hammer quickly. (It’s a beautiful double play where he makes an ally in Jedo by pushing bgg farther under the bus and yet gives enough of a chance for the bandwagon to disentigrate which happens a lot on day 1)
Post 97: Zag list the lurkers
Post 98: Jedo among other things says a lynch all lurkers campaign while a good target is being discussed is scummy (I agree I believe this is another attempt by Zag to save bgg without actually switching his vote.)
Post 99: Zag says he doesn’t believe in LAL which contridict his previous post
Post 100: Jedo praises Zags post
Post 118: Zag finally takes the drastic step of unvoting bgg and votes Quailman

(this seems to save bgg from lynch since ctorj also unvoted and both quail and sentran now are at 2. Anything at thi point could happen.)

Post 134: Jedos complains that the town desolved a good bandwagon
Post 154: Zag responds to questions of his quail vote by saying again he was wrong with his initial reasoning but that quails responses have been enough to keep his vote on him.
Post 161: while still claiming he is suspicious off bgg he defends him in favor of quail. (How did I miss these signs. I should have done this recap sooner.)
Post 167: Jedo still wants to vote bgg.

[Shortly after this bgg (mafia) is successfully lynched without Zag]

So from this I am pretty certain Zag is scum. I know he had 1 lynch immunity but that doesn’t mean town.


Unvote
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1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Undercover Monk]

Zag is right MNOWAX. Under lynch all liarsyou must go and im always ready to lynch you. Zag this doesnt clear you in my eyes cause it is MNO we are dealing with here.

Vote: MNOWAX
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1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Zag]

You completely avoid, UM, the reason I didn't rejoin the bgg wagon once Jedo had resurrected it. It wasn't because I was defending him or even reduced my opinion of his guilt, it was because I felt a number of people were voting for him for bad reasons. There were good reasons to vote for him, but I didn't want to see someone go down for bad reasons.

I continue to think it was a bad reason, by the way, and I think it was luck that the vote turned out correct.

Are you assuming that Jedo is scum, too, since he investigated me and cleared me? Or just that I'm a godfather? I think you're just seeing monsters under the bed the same way that I was with Ctorj.

I realize now that you and Sentran both formed bad opinions of me early, when I was messing around with WIFOM games (right at the end of page1), and everything else you see is colored by it. I was trying something new, to see if I could get someone's ego involved and make them slip up. But it wasn't scummy -- odd, yes, but not scummy. Frankly, I was tired of the typical Day 1 nonsense where there is really not anything to go on, so I was trying to shake things up. I think that the usual Day 1 mostly helps the scum, and isn't useful to the town until day 3 or 4, if ever. Don't you think I would just have played along if I were the beneficiary?

Anyway, I agree that nothing really came of that ploy. But I think it is grossly unfair of you to say that it was without content. I was trying something new and it didn't work out; that's all.

[MNOWAX]

kinda screwed that one up, didn't i? oh well, we did know you were the serial killer anyway. It sucks that you didn't actually kill the first night. Sometimes Mafia roleblockers do more than one good thing for the town....

Oh and by the way, you know how we know that Jedo is the SK? I personally blocked him night one. He didn't get a "result", I stopped his killing. That's why I have been pushing for a lynch. Mafia's only real threat for the three of us was Jedo because he could kill. We had to block Quail last night just in case he could protect himself, which is why we have two deaths.

Bgg, I may be coming soon to see you!

Good luck my friend! May the light of scum carry you through the end!
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MNOWAX

[raekuul]

MNO, that's an excellent argument and all that, with just one minor problem with it.

I made Jedo target me last night.

[MNOWAX]

i see a blood bath of townie roles getting offed tonight.
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MNOWAX

[Durryn]

Let me understand this..... MNO just declared Scum and is trying to get Jedo to go down first?


Dang!!!!

vote: MNO
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[Sentran]

Unvote, Vote: MNOWAX
For the reasons he himself provided.
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[Ctorj]

vote: MNO... oh wait. I'm dead.

Bah! Go town forever!!!
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[Jedo the Jedi]

That was a clever gambit, MNO. A nice 1-for-1 exchange after I flipped town.

vote MNO
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Paragon Tally: 18 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Silverfire]

Firstly, Vote: MNO

[Silverfire]

And secondly, Jedo is not an SK. I am absolutely sure of this.
Thirdly, I was completely convinced that Quailman was scum. After he flipped town I began to doubt my convictions of Jedo and Zag's innocence. But the idea of Jedo being scum now couldn't be more improbable. First he led the crusade against bgg, and then MNO tried to take him down with him.

But I really don't understand why MNO thought he could get away with claiming Jedo was an SK. Didn't he realize the vig would counterclaim?

Sorry, guys. I really thought Quailman was scum.

Come and get me, scum. I'm armed.

[spyrl]

It's hard to say no when someone declares himself mafia for you...

Vote: MNOWAX

(although roleblocking aside, I keep wondering if, since this is a vampire game, we have converting going on, which could be why there were no deaths one night?)
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[Zag]

I would not make any interpretation from MNO's parting words. I wouldn't put it past him for him to tell the truth, trusting that you won't believe him, or to tell an outrageous lie to keep you from believing something else. I suspect that this is the case, here, but, since I'm not sure what he was hoping we'd believe, I don't know what NOT to believe.

My point is that I don't consider his comments to have any bearing on my opinion of Jedo's innocence, and I'm just sticking with my opinion from the evidence unrelated to MNO, which is that I still consider Jedo to be cleared... I think... I'm pretty sure.

So you're claiming vig, then (along with a big oops for offing Quailman)? I do think that making the claim (assuming it's true) really wasn't necessary to do as you brought the hammer on MNO, but I'm prepared just to assume that's just guilty conscience. (That is guilty for making a bad choice for your vig kill, not guilty for being scum.)

This means my interpretations of Sentran's comment is wrong. Sentran, why DID you come out so definitively that there must be an SK, as if you didn't consider a vig?

I keep trying to find subtle mistakes in things people say, that it implies something about their knowledge that they shouldn't have revealed. I guess that this is another time that I over-interpreted. And then MNO just puts his foot in it (while waving a big red flag). I guess the mistakes scum make aren't as subtle as what I've been looking for.

Anyway, good job, town. It's nice to have one we can be sure of. And good luck, Silver, on your next choice.

[Zag]

spyrl, according to Quailman, you were his protectee the first night, and he said he knew that you were the scum's target. (post 254) I don't know if he was just assuming that from the lack of a kill, or if he really knew by the mod informing him, but the post makes it sound like just an inference.

On the other hand, if there was any chance for recruiting, I know whom I would have recruited that first night if I were scum: the one guy who cleared himself with his first day actions.

Stop making me paranoid.

[Sniklac16]

The citizens of Bon Temps started to grow very uneasy after two bodies were found dead the previous night. They wasted no time in placing the blame where they thought it best. They quickly came after mnowax and strung him up. His final words were "its not over, not even close"

mnowax - franklin mott mafia roleblocker lynched day 3

It is now night, deadline for night actions is in 72 hours
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[Sniklac16]

The citizens of Bon Temps once again woke up to find one of their own missing. Seems the intruders to their small hometown, furious that one of theirs were killed, decided to do seek their revenge in a BIG way

jedo the jedi - terry bellefluer cop killed night 3

It is now day with 9 alive it will take just 5 to lynch
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What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.

[Jedo the Jedi]

It was only a matter of time after the doc was killed. At least we know scum is semi-intelligent.
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Paragon Tally: 18 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.