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Durryn
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 Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 5:43 am Post subject: 41 |
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I agree with Ally, unvote
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MNOWAX
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 2:04 pm Post subject: 42 |
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Silliness? Ending on the first page? HA
Unvote, Vote Itisally
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bgg1996
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 2:07 pm Post subject: 43 |
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They were just waiting for any reason to unvote.
unvote
vote:itisally
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Quailman
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 4:22 pm Post subject: 44 |
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I wish Sentran hadn't been the one to place the fourth vote on me, since I was already voting for him. I would have gladly changed to whoever else voted for me next.
I don't understand what Zag's explanation had to do with itisally's unvote. That is very puzzling.
Unvote : Sentran; Vote: itisally |
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Zag
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 4:41 pm Post subject: 45 |
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| Wow, that was a quick run up to 4 votes. Lucresia, MNO, bgg, Q certainly includes at least one scum for a run that quick, and likely two. Luc's vote, presumably, was just a joke (which doesn't make her innocent, of course) but we'll see if she unvotes before finding herself unintentionally starting a early day 1 lynching. |
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bgg1996
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:13 pm Post subject: 46 |
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Zag, by saying that "Lucresia, MNO, bgg, Q certainly includes at least one scum", you're assuming Itisally is town, without mentioning that you're clearing her.
You must therefore be scum.
unvote
vote: Zag
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Quailman
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:27 pm Post subject: 47 |
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Far be it from me to defend Zag, but saying that one voter of four is probably scum doesn't assume itisally's innocence. Four people voting for a townie or scum may include any combination of good guys and bad. Saying it's likely two, however, does indicate that he knows something we don't.
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bgg1996
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:30 pm Post subject: 48 |
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| Quailman wrote: |
| saying that one voter of four is probably scum doesn't assume itisally's innocence. |
But is certainly scum does.
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Zag
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:44 pm Post subject: 49 |
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bgg, do you ever see a run up that quickly on scum? I'm not saying that I trust ally, but (as far as I can tell) the argument against her is that she agreed that the joking portion is over and therefore unvoted her joking vote. Do you seriously think that deserved a run of the speed she received?
I think we've identified the scum, though. Since I pre-emptively broke your run at her, you've tried making one at me. Or I'm willing to agree you, and maybe MNO or Q, might just be distancing from her. I'll admit that it was a safe bet that someone would point out the quick attack as being suspicious. Are you that devious? I don't know, but...
OMGUS, unvote, and vote bgg |
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bgg1996
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:16 am Post subject: 50 |
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| bgg, do you ever see a run up that quickly on scum? |
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Official vote count
MNOWAX:
Sniklac16: wordcross,
Ctorj:
Chaz:
Sentran: UMonk Jedo raekuul Sniklac MNO Lifeinmomland
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wordcross: Ctorj,
Undercover Monk: Chaz, Sentran
Jedo the Jedi:
raekuul:
Not voting:
According to the traditions of Mafialand, Sentran, having been voted by a jury of his peers, walks slowly to the gallows. He twitches and jerks for some time, and finally a slip of paper falls from his lifeless hand.
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Bernard: Role-blocker
You are Bernard, a member of the Mafia. You can choose one person each night and block that person from acting with his normal night-time action.
Your fellow Mafia are ... [The rest is torn and smudged to unreadability.]
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Night has started. Everyone with night actions, PM them to me now.
Sentran, if you'd like to make a vitriolic farewell address, now's the time!  |
Wow, a game you modded.
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MNOWAX
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:52 am Post subject: 51 |
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Zag, the WIFOM master. Nice going. I do want to know where he's going with this, and in general why seems so scum like.
Unvote, Vote Zag
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Ctorj
Did I spell that right?
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:52 am Post subject: 52 |
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Checking in. Sorry. this weekend was crazy. No chance to check anything. Back now.
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raekuul
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:03 am Post subject: 53 |
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| [insert long-winded rant on why any one of us could be scum] |
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MNOWAX
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:05 am Post subject: 54 |
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[Insert random statement regarding how a statement made by Raekuul has incriminted him, then Unvoting,Vote: Rakeuul]
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bgg1996
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:16 am Post subject: 55 |
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| raekuul wrote: |
| [insert long-winded rant on why any one of us could be scum] |
We can't all be scum.
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Zag
Tired of his old title
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:30 am Post subject: 56 |
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| bgg1996 wrote: |
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Wow, a game you modded. |
Ok, that was pretty funny. It's not quite the same thing, but it's closer than I would have guessed. I'm willing to maintain suspicion on itisally, but I still think you're scum. At least, you're still the most suspicious, to me, and I'll leave my vote where it is. |
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Durryn
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:26 am Post subject: 57 |
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| bgg1996 wrote: |
| raekuul wrote: |
| [insert long-winded rant on why any one of us could be scum] |
We can't all be scum. |
You're right. Vote bgg1996
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Sentran
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:04 pm Post subject: 58 |
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Well, that's more weekend activity than I usually see. I've been at drill so have not been keeping up. So far, the short version of what I see is the usual day one craziness has quickly devolved into people making serious accusations with little backing to them. As has been pointed out (and proven) multiple times, most of the info gained on day 1 is only useful in later days when you have more information to check against. Killing scum on day one is not unheard of, but it is less likely than killing town.
I'm hoping for an official vote count to help me make a decision, but in the meantime Unvote.
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Sniklac16
Spaciest of aides
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:27 pm Post subject: 59 |
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As you requested
VOTE COUNT:
sentran (2) - undercover monk, spyrl
raekuul (2) - lucresia, mnowax
bgg1996 (2) - zag, durryn
quailman (1) - jedo the jedi
lucresia (1) - silverfire
itisally (1) - quailman
zag (1) - bgg1996
not voting: itisally, sentran, ctorj, raekuul
*again please inform me of any mistakes*
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Sentran
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:57 pm Post subject: 60 |
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Thank you, o mighty Mod.
Vote: Zag
'cuz he's skeevy
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Zag
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:21 pm Post subject: 61 |
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| You spelled 'Stevie' wrong. |
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Jedo the Jedi
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:13 pm Post subject: 62 |
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As usual, you guys need me to come in here and lead the way...
This is terrible. How dense do you have to be to even think of following MNO on an RVS wagon like that? Any sort of reasoning given against Ally at this point is dumb. (Notice: this does not mean she is town, only that she isn't scum for anything so far.)
The real culprit is bgg. Look at his ISO. He so quickly follows MNO on that terrible wagon change, then jumps on Zag with poor, misdirection reasons, and posts some weak arguments as support/rebuttal. I don't know how you guys have let him get away with this.
vote bgg1996
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Sentran
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:23 pm Post subject: 63 |
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Alright Jedo, let's see if your lead gets us anywhere.
Unvote, Vote: bgg1996
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Zag
Tired of his old title
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:43 pm Post subject: 64 |
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| Sorry, what do RVS and ISO stand for? I feel I should know, but nothing is coming to me. |
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Ctorj
Did I spell that right?
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:13 pm Post subject: 65 |
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Vote: bgg1996 which makes this the 5th vote on him. Just a little pressure on Day 1. Will unvote if it gets further than this though. It's only Day 1 and a little pressure is how townies find out what's going on with everyone else.
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Jedo the Jedi
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:08 pm Post subject: 66 |
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I'm perfectly content with a lynch, but you can be cautious if you would like.
ISO means "isolation." Just reading only his posts via the tool at the bottom. RVS is just random vote stage (or something similar). It's all that stuff when we vote with silly reasons attached.
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itisally
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:17 am Post subject: 67 |
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I have to say fos:bgg1996 and it is really his use of "we" that bothers me, but I want to hear a response before lynching fast on the first day. It gives us more to look back on in the end and that is what day one is really good for anyway, as Sentran noted.
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bgg1996
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:21 am Post subject: 68 |
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| Jedo the Jedi wrote: |
He so quickly follows MNO on that terrible wagon change,
then jumps on Zag with poor, misdirection reasons,
and posts some weak arguments as support/rebuttal.
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Nice try.
1. I follow nobody. I voted itisally because (s)he seemed too eager to unvote.
2. I voted Zag because he said itisally was certainly town, without saying so.
3. Completely untrue. I didn't post any arguments of any kind relating to that since.
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Alright Jedo, let's see if your lead gets us anywhere.
Unvote, Vote: bgg1996 |
It leads straight down the path to a town lynch.
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| I have to say fos:bgg1996 and it is really his use of "we" that bothers me, but I want to hear a response before lynching fast on the first day. It gives us more to look back on in the end and that is what day one is really good for anyway, as Sentran noted. |
"We" as in the players.
If I was referring to the scumteam, I wouldn't have said "We can't all be scum." Because we would've been.
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Jedo the Jedi
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:43 am Post subject: 69 |
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Nice try.
1. I follow nobody. I voted itisally because (s)he seemed too eager to unvote.
2. I voted Zag because he said itisally was certainly town, without saying so.
3. Completely untrue. I didn't post any arguments of any kind relating to that since. |
1. Her unvote was worded like a n00b wrote it, and trying to use that as reason for voting her is trite. Considering it came right after MNO, that's called scum capitalization. If she was lynched and flipped town, you can explain it away easily.
2. Refering to this:
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| Wow, that was a quick run up to 4 votes. Lucresia, MNO, bgg, Q certainly includes at least one scum for a run that quick, and likely two. Luc's vote, presumably, was just a joke (which doesn't make her innocent, of course) but we'll see if she unvotes before finding herself unintentionally starting a early day 1 lynching. |
I don't know what you see in there that says Ally is town (implied or otherwise), but it isn't there. Rightfully so, he is speculating that her reaching that number of votes (three within four posts of her unvote) is propelled by scum in some way. That just doesn't happen with all townies. Scum capitalize on that because they can just deny like any of the others. ("Oh, I wasn't thinking." "It was day 1 and we had nothing to go on." "It was day 1 and that was a good enough reason to vote for where we were.") So really, his emphasis is more on the voters rather than the voted. The upshot (and the counter to your argument) is that it could be a bus of a scum buddy, but that's not really Zag's concern with that post.
3. I don't know to what you think I'm referring, but I'll show where you have used weak arguments/reason to support yourself. The first two involve my above two points: your reason for voting Ally, and your reason for voting Zag because he "obviously cleared her." (Plus, I'm pretty sure your syllogism is flawed.) The third example is your attempt to counter Zag's question about scum being run up that quickly. The difference is clear: Ally was just run up for a logical unvote, whereas Sentran was run up because Monk and I caught him in his scummy actions. Totally different. If you want to use that as a comparison, use it to compare his lynch with how you've garnered so many votes already.
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bgg1996
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 2:02 am Post subject: 70 |
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| Jedo the Jedi wrote: |
| is trite. |
Haven't heard that one before.
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lacking in freshness or effectiveness because of constant use or excessive repetition; hackneyed; stale: the trite phrases in his letter.
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Reasons for voting don't wear down over excessive use like tools or phrases in letters.
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| Considering it came right after MNO, that's called scum capitalization. |
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I don't get it. How is my vote scummier because it's right after his?
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| If she was lynched and flipped town, you can explain it away easily. |
You're saying that reasons that make sense, and are explainable are scummy, and I should use reasons that cannot be explained, and make no sense?
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bgg1996
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 2:05 am Post subject: 71 |
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| Jedo the Jedi wrote: |
2. Refering to this:
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| Wow, that was a quick run up to 4 votes. Lucresia, MNO, bgg, Q certainly includes at least one scum for a run that quick, and likely two. Luc's vote, presumably, was just a joke (which doesn't make her innocent, of course) but we'll see if she unvotes before finding herself unintentionally starting a early day 1 lynching. |
I don't know what you see in there that says Ally is town (implied or otherwise), but it isn't there. |
Exactly my point. He says that "Lucresia, MNO, bgg, Q" certainly includes a scum, which can only be assumed if you assume that Itisally is town, which he neglects to mention.
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Zag
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 2:22 am Post subject: 72 |
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You guys are conveniently ignoring this post
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Wow, a game you modded. |
Ok, that was pretty funny. It's not quite the same thing, but it's closer than I would have guessed. I'm willing to maintain suspicion on itisally, but I still think you're scum. At least, you're still the most suspicious, to me, and I'll leave my vote where it is. |
I agreed with bgg that I had jumped to conclusions, given the evidence that he pointed out (from my own game!) I was going on gut and I'm willing to admit that it's not as good as I thought. Of course, for rubbing it in, I voted for him, the little scum. It looks as if there are at least a few who agree with me. |
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bgg1996
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 2:24 am Post subject: 73 |
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| The third example is your attempt to counter Zag's question about scum being run up that quickly. The difference is clear: Ally was just run up for a logical unvote, whereas Sentran |
1. The question was "do you ever see a run up that quickly on scum?".
It doesn't matter how comparable it is to this situation.
2. What is a logical unvote?
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bgg1996
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 2:33 am Post subject: 74 |
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| use it to compare his lynch with how you've garnered so many votes already. |
It would be a contrast.
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Sentran
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:37 pm Post subject: 75 |
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I was tempted to post "methinks the scummy doth protest too much", but then I realized that I react in much the same way when I am incorrectly accused of being scum. I don't think it's enough reason to pull my vote though.
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Durryn
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:58 pm Post subject: 76 |
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I truly wish I knew if Ally is scum or not, but just so I can get this out of my system......
Ye needs t' be a watchin' yer tongue there mate, or I'll be fer cuttin' it out of yer scurvy ridden mouth. Me wife is no scum!!!!
okay, I feel better now.
I will be leaving my vote on Bgg1996
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Sentran
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:01 pm Post subject: 77 |
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| Ye needs t' be a watchin' yer tongue there mate, or I'll be fer cuttin' it out of yer scurvy ridden mouth. Me wife is no scum!!!! |
Your foot tells a different story. ^.^
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Jedo the Jedi
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 7:55 pm Post subject: 78 |
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| bgg1996 wrote: |
| Reasons for voting don't wear down over excessive use like tools or phrases in letters. |
When they are dumb reasons, they do.
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I don't get it. How is my vote scummier because it's right after his? |
Why do people target the third (or now fourth and fifth) votes on a bandwagon? Because scum are just trying to blend in with the other votes.
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| You're saying that reasons that make sense, and are explainable are scummy, and I should use reasons that cannot be explained, and make no sense? |
You're really trying too hard to make me look bad, and it isn't working. Of course that's not what I'm saying. Object lesson: if you flip town, I've been on this attack which will be hard to square. My defense can only be the arguments I've made. However, Sentran can say, "I thought he had a decent argument." He doesn't really have much to defend, and he can certainly point to three other people who will say the same. We both have explanations that make sense, but he can just blend with the others. The latter is definitely more often used by scum. (I have seen scum do the big attack like I'm doing, so I'm not saying this is an absolute. Also, I only chose Sentran because he is in the same vote position as bgg.)
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| Exactly my point. He says that "Lucresia, MNO, bgg, Q" certainly includes a scum, which can only be assumed if you assume that Itisally is town, which he neglects to mention. |
We don't have the same point, and I already countered that. Saying a quick bandwagon includes a scum is both a mathematical probability and a psychological likelihood because scum want to lynch people. The thing is, their motivation doesn't have to be just to eliminate a townie. They could be bussing their buddy for towncred. Ally could very easily be scum and that group of people also include a scum. It's not that difficult.
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1. The question was "do you ever see a run up that quickly on scum?".
It doesn't matter how comparable it is to this situation. |
But it does matter. You can't just pull something out of context and cite it as evidence. The context matters. The problem is you took the example from Zag's game in which a scum was caught through reason and argument and compared it to this one in which a person garnered a flurry of votes for an insignificant sentence. Gosh. You might as well go proof-text from whatever holy Scriptures you use.
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| 2. What is a logical unvote? |
One that is motivated by a logical reason. It's not like she just gave some lame-ass excuse for unvoting. She apparently didn't see any obvscum at that point, but also didn't want to keep the meaningless joke vote. I've seen people lynched for keeping such a vote.
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Lucresia
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 8:47 pm Post subject: 79 |
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I think that Jedo hit it straight on with his comments on bgg. I don't like his attitude of him coming in and trying to lead us misdirected townies again..especially since on day 1 it isn't like he's cleared either. I do think though that he followed up his usual ( sarcastic <3 ) statements with some pretty good logic. I think it's definitely enough to earn my vote on day 1.
Unvote; Vote: bgg1996
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MNOWAX
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:12 pm Post subject: 80 |
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Spidey sense is tingling.
He's at L-2 If im counting correctly. Now I'm just as happy to string him up, but we do have ZERO info out there, even for a wild accusation from me. Why is this lynch going so fast?
Major FOS Jedo, but will be voting for Bgg real soon if some answers don't come out.
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