True Blood Mafia GAME OVER

[Sentran]

Waits for the obligatory "I've answered all your questions, harumph!" post from bgg.
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[Jedo the Jedi]

[Silverfire]

Frankly, I think bgg1996's vote for Zag was justified. Implying that another player is innocent without being open and saying it, as Zag seemed to be doing with his post, is scummy. What I find suspicious about bgg1996 is his vote of itisally. (Although I would like to mention that it was the second vote on her, not the third as people seem to think.) He said she seemed too quick to unvote. I don't see how there's anything suspicious about quickly removing a joke vote. It was clearly in response to Zag's claim that the silliness was over.

Unvote for now.

[Jedo the Jedi]

[Zag]

[Zag]

Bah, forgot to preview. There were a bunch of posts since I started that.

While I appreciate the defense, Jedo, I have to admit that when I said my comment about the quick run up on itisally, I was thinking that both points were suggested: (1) That scum were likely involved in a quick run on someone for little reason, and (2) that she was likely to be innocent (which was why the scum would be running up a quick vote on her).

I wasn't saying that either point was definite; just that it was an indication. And I wasn't trying to be subtle about it, though I guess that I did not come out and say the second point clearly. I was just trying to draw what inferences I could from something that seemed to me to be an anomaly, and I thought that both points had some merit. I never imagined that either was a conclusion, or that anyone would think I was saying or implying it, just that they are indicators. Honestly, I still think so, though I do see your point that a quick run at someone might still include scum but simply be distancing.

My biggest complaint with bgg was that he claimed I was trying to say that is was positively so, which I wasn't. Putting guilty-sounding words in someone's mouth is a definite scum trait, and that's the strongest point I continue to see against him. _{(After all, look at how viciously I attacked Quailman two games ago, because I thought he was deliberately misinterpreting someone else's words to make them sound guilty. Sorry, Q.)}

[Jedo the Jedi]

[itisally]

Oh my goodness. I can't even belive that there is all this hubbub about 4 votes.

Zag says that at least one of them is likely to be scum.

If for a moment we look at the statistics in a game of 14 people there are likely to be 3 to 4 scum. If I estimate hight thats a 2 to 7 ratio. That means that out of four .875 would be scum. Shall we round to 1? So Zag's statement is pretty safe. Even if there are only 3 thats .857 out of 4. Still a statistically safe bet.

The problem is that bbg is the only one who got all bent about it. there are three others who saw Zag's comment as supposition, not conclusion.
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[Jedo the Jedi]

[itisally]

While I am at pointing out things, Lucresia had unvoted and voted for Raekuul right before I unvoted, so there were only three votes at one time.

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[Zag]

It wouldn't be a Mafia game without me reminding everyone that MNO always acts scummy on the first day, so much so that we've learned to ignore it. Eventually it's going to pay off for him when he really is scum.

[raekuul]

So THAT's why MNO's never scum

I'm tempted to place my vote on bgg on account of his MNO-style insanity, but that's just it. It's MNO-style insanity. It doesn't count until we get hindsight.

[itisally]

[Durryn]

[Ctorj]

As promised: unvote If the voting got any higher than 5, I would unvote as I just want pressure and I don't like a L-2 on Page 3. We can find more info, that's for sure.

I'm not defending him, but I've been accused of being too defensive by my fellow townies WAY too fast in other games *coughcoughJedocoughcough* when I've been very much pro-town. Since I know Jedo has no read on me to save his life, I'm not eager to jump on his logic. He DOES tends to be right (when he's town), but not on everyone. I want to continue to see how their discussion continues to play out before any further voting.


For the record, I consider a quick unvote to be a light form of backpedaling and potentially scummy. Especially, considering how we did bust itisally for a noob mistake before.

However:

[Zag]

Oh, Ctorj, thanks for reminding me!* All this talk has distracted us from the more traditional source of discussion on day 1, the lurkers.

Post counts
spyrl: 1
Undercover Monk: 2
Silverfire: 2
Ctorj: 3
Quailman: 4

Speak up, all of you, or suffer from a "Lynch the Lurkers" campaign. Although he is fifth in the list, I find Quailman's quietness especially distressing, since he is usually pretty active. Imagine if I had made only 4 posts by page 3.

*Ctorj reminded me merely by posting and causing me to think: Is he in this game?

[Jedo the Jedi]

Correction: My post before where I quote Ally should have the quote credited to Zag and not bgg. It's not the first time I've done that.

Here's a stumper: Why did Ally garner the attention and not Durryn who did the same thing but basically said, "Ditto"?

[Durryn]

IMPORTANT!!
Edit by Zag: This was actually posted by itisally, who accidentally used her husband's computer and failed to log out. See the following couple of posts

[Durryn]

LOL, Ally just left for work and so I sat down here at my computer. Imagine my surprise to see that I had just posted moments before.

A friend stayed the night in Ally's office, so she was not using her system.

Can a mod fix the name applied to the post before this one?
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[MNOWAX]

Just before? Post 99?
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[Durryn]

yes
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[Zag]

Jedo, I don't really believe in a lynch the lurker policy, I just want to get everyone talking. I disagree that post count is insignificant -- the purpose of the first day is to create fodder for analysis after we actually know the alignment of several people. If the first day is too quick, then there is too little fodder. It's related to my push to get everyone talking -- if people are pushed to declare opinions about others, it often leads to grist for analysis later.

On the other hand, I do agree that whatever evidence of scumminess you have on the first day does still need to be pursued to its logical conclusion. I haven't unvoted bgg, because I do still consider him our best candidate. However, it is just first day fluff and I don't give it the kind of weight you seem to. Except when someone makes a major gaff like Durryn did in the last game, I don't really think that the sort of "scum-hunting" that you are talking about is really all that effective.

In fact, now that I think about it, his scummy action was to pick something that he thought sounded suspicious and attack it too fervently. Isn't that exactly what you're doing, Jedo? Admittedly, what you find suspicious really is, and what he claimed to find suspicious seemed more like manufactured suspicion. But maybe it was a genuine opinion.

I just dislike rushing things on the first day. I can't seem to feel the sort of confidence that you do, with slim evidence. I dislike having it drag out for 8 or 9 pages, too. I'm shooting for 4 full pages (i.e. getting on to the 5th page) including a decent contribution by everybody, then I'll get more aggressive.

[Jedo the Jedi]

I can respect that post, Zag. I know it's hard to be confident sometimes (I truly doubt myself frequently), but in the end you just have to trust your instincts. I always think back to catching Amb in Sopranos. I nearly unvoted because I thought he might be right, but I kept going instead and we won.

As to the third paragraph, I see the rhetoric there and the point. That is perfectly possible. I could be completely wrong. Hell, I've been wrong about Ctorj twice now (if I'm not mistaken), but the game goes on and we usually still win.
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Paragon Tally: 18 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Quailman]

I've been preety busy IRL. Been trying to keep up but nothing strikes me as post-worthy each time I check in. Except now I see that Zag has made the obligatory lynch the lurkers post. BNaturally, I object to his singling me out when there are four with fewer posts than me.

Zag, OTOH, has made 17 posts midway through page three. It's been my experience that when ZAG places so much e,phasis on directing the game and getting someone - anyone - lynched, he's later turned out to be scum.

I don't know what the votecount is, but I will unvote: itisally; vote: Zag

[Sentran]

[spyrl]

Well, as anyone who knows me (and played Mafia games with me) knows that I'm always the quiet one in the corner who only adds things when they have something to say. I always read (listen) to what others are saying. Just pretend I'm a mouse in the corner who will bite when they have something to say. =^_^=
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[raekuul]

Sentran: People learn from their mistakes.

[Jedo the Jedi]

[itisally]

I am so sorry guys! Heck of a way to get a title change Durryn.
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[Zag]

[MNOWAX]

LMAO what a win...
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[bgg1996]

[Silverfire]

Silverfire is mad because she wrote up a relatively long post which somehow got eaten.

Anyway, it's kind of hypocritical for this to be coming from my third post, but Quailman's lurker defense strikes me as suspicious.

[Quailman]

[Quailman]

Silverfire: The number of my posts so far is not "a deviation from the norm.". Zag just said that. It's not accurate. There was one game in which I posted quite a bit on day one or two to defend against false accusations from Zag. That was the deviation.

Taking exception to more false accusations is something anyone would do.

[Durryn]

[Zag]

I hate defending anyone, especially on the first day when I don't know anything, because they can turn out to be scum and you get painted with the same brush. However, I'm pretty sure that silverfire was saying, "In the games where I am mafia..." and implying "but not in this game, of course."

In spite of the risk of being further aligned with silverfire _{(I hope you're innocent, now)} , I have to admit that I rather like this point:

[Sentran]

[Zag]