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3iff
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:06 pm    Post subject: 41 Reply with quote

I've heard it mentioned quite a few times here on the GL forum...and noticed there was a forum dedicated to it but had no interest in exploring the game (other things to do).

I took an interest in possibly playing a game last Friday and signed up. Prior to Friday I knew NOTHING about the game...

I've read large bits of the mafiawiki and associated webpages to learn more, so at least now I know something about the game.

And here I am now...dead but I won't lie down.
Perhaps I should be changing my name to Buffy...

UM...interesting post.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:20 pm    Post subject: 42 Reply with quote

Deception wrote:
I'm not a fan of RVS by any means

Ah but RVS can be lots of fun, just read through some of the other games (although it's much more fun live) =^_ ^=

1) I've only played one game online, and since you read through it, you'll know I was a townie (the last one killed lol). Live games, I've never started as Mafia, but I was converted once, so I don't know if that counts? Although with these kinds of statistics, it's basically like the Coin flip statistics example, every time you flip a coin you have the exact same odds (50/50) to flip heads or tails.

2) Mostly 2011, once in high school years before though.

3) People who know me know I'm usually the quiet one, so it would be more of a conversion of my personality than a difference of anything else "world related" that would change how I behave.

4) It's fun, why else would we torment ourselves repeatedly with brain puzzles? =^_^=

5) um, both?


What's a: neighborizors ?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:37 pm    Post subject: 43 Reply with quote

1) Haven't been keeping count
2) Played a few times in the late 90's; started playing on GL back in 2002 / 2003, but haven't played much in recent years.
3) To the first, probably; I do tend to be non confrontational; to the second, not much.
4) Because I enjoy it
5) I tend towards more of a reactor
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 4:05 pm    Post subject: 44 Reply with quote

Sorry. I should use better terminology and clearify. This is the first time I've played in an online session. I've play in 2 live sessions. Each session went for several hours and had several individual games each. I had said times in my previous post and meant sessions. Sorry for the confision.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 4:22 pm    Post subject: 45 Reply with quote

1) 2 or 3 times, I think.

2) For several months now, but I just began this year.

3) Of course I would hesitate to voice all of my opinions. They're opinions, not facts, and whether or not anyone else would question them has no bearing on their accuracy or validity.

4) It's like a human logic puzzle. Need I say more?

5) A combination of the two. I am a reactionary player at first, but as more evidence comes to light, I feel more comfortable guessing at trends.

Vote: Undercover Monk because I can.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 4:38 pm    Post subject: 46 Reply with quote

Official vote count for the new page. I've alphabetized the list of vote targets to make it more convenient for me. However, don't go trying to read anything into the order of the old list, it is just the order that people signed up for the game.

Code:

           3iff:
            Amb:
        bgg1996:
          Ctorj:
      Deception: MNOWAX
  Garou_Kinfolk:
    isauteikisa:
  Jedo the Jedi:
  Lifeinmomland:
       Lucresia:
         MNOWAX:
     Perpentach:
  ralphmerridew:
        Sentran:
     Silverfire:
          spyrl:
Undercover Monk: Sentran

Not voting:
Lucresia isauteikisa Silverfire Amb UMonk spyrl Jedo
Ctorj Perpentach bgg ralphmerridew Lifeinmomland
Garou Deception 3iff


I'll try to add an official vote count near the top of every page. If there's anything else I can do to make the game run more smoothly, feel free to let me know.
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Deception
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 4:41 pm    Post subject: 47 Reply with quote

spyrl wrote:

What's a: neighborizors ?


Note: I have no clue what is or isn't commonly found on this site, however on mafiascum, a neighborizer is a role which each night (sometimes also during the day) recruits one person to their neighborhood. In doing this the two may chat during both day and night together, the amount of people allowed in 1 neighborhood is unlimited.

I suspected it as a possible role because of the role PM which flipped night 0 as fred. If that role had been neighborized, then they'd know truths such as "so and so is neighborizer" which would make the role more useful than a selfclear, which the PM implies is possible.

Zag, I don't wish to impose but is it possible that you could post the deadline for the day too? I can't seem to find it anywhere.
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Tired of his old title



PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 4:49 pm    Post subject: 48 Reply with quote

Deception wrote:
Zag, I don't wish to impose but is it possible that you could post the deadline for the day too? I can't seem to find it anywhere.


That's because there isn't one. As long as there is conversation and voting going on, we'll continue as long as it takes. I'll warn you that the first day will probably take several weeks (at least) of real time; but they will get faster after that.

If conversation and voting seems to die down with still no majority, then I will make a soft deadline of 4 days away from when I make it. (However, Saturday and Sunday together only count as a single day.) If that works to get people talking again, then I'll lift the deadline. If I do that more than twice, on the third time it will be a hard deadline (and I'll say so). See the rules in the first post about lynch decision at deadlines.
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Jedo the Jedi
Paragon in Training



PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:05 pm    Post subject: 49 Reply with quote

1) 10 or less. I lose most of them.
2) 2003 on the GL. Apparently, Luc, ralphm, and I all started here around the same time.
3) I'm an arrogant bastard as it is, so I already believe I'm always right. I don't lie. I just make people see my truth.
4) I love having to use logic and rhetoric. It keeps my brain fresh.
5) I'm definitely anticipatory. There have been many times it has gotten me in trouble in this game (as town and scum) because I will go ahead and address arguments which I believe will be posed against me.

I also am looking forward to this new group, though it will definitely change the dynamics and make scum-hunting harder. Probably why I'm such a paragon is that I know the regulars' playstyles so well. This should be interesting.

On a separate note, I don't really care for setup speculation. (I feel like that's already happening some with the flip.) I don't mind other people doing it as long as it doesn't distract from scum-hunting. My feelings on the matter are that the mod could have done any sort of crazy thing, so I'm not going to try figuring out what that is, especially with Zag. More than that, I wouldn't put it past Zag to have included some essentially useless role (like a single "mason" who can't reveal to us that he has no mason buddy) which only serves to cause confusion. Oh, Jiminy

Also, vote Lifeinmomland. Bandwagon, go!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:08 pm    Post subject: 50 Reply with quote

Weird leading off the day with a questionnaire, Deception, though I guess it's just as good as /random bandwagon.

1) Can't remember - think it was only once online, but several times IRL.
2) Started in college at a leadership retreat ~2003 (evidently, guessing the last mafia wrong when it's down to you and two other people gets you killed first for the rest of the night. At least I make a good mayor). Can't remember when I signed up here, though probably college.
3) Odd question. I don't think either would change significantly.
4) Multiple reasons. It's an interesting game that feeds into my natural paranoia directly (also why I love Assassins). I like gaming in general.
5) Another odd question. I'm normally very much a reactor, though the line is blurred sometimes.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:16 pm    Post subject: 51 Reply with quote

Vote 3iff: Every Fred I have ever known, which is to say none at all, has been completely evil in every sense.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:35 pm    Post subject: 52 Reply with quote

So Deception attempt to have a non-random first day vote has failed.
And therefore I'm saying No Vote, until either tomorrow or someone comes up with a reasonable argument.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:59 pm    Post subject: 53 Reply with quote

<b> vote amb </b>
3iff has already died once. Why would you want him dead again this early in the game? Unless you know something the rest of us don't. Was Fred scum before 3iff's spirit possessed him?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:03 pm    Post subject: 54 Reply with quote

Ok. So either html doesn't like my phone or, much more likely, I did it wrong. :p
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:07 pm    Post subject: 55 Reply with quote

tag with [ ]s not < >s

Also that is a good point, Amb essentially just said "Fred was scum".

Vote: Amb

His explanation should be interesting.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:45 pm    Post subject: 56 Reply with quote

That's Amb being facetious in his random vote. I guess some might take him seriously not knowing the meta of mafia here on the GL. Having been here a while, I actually appreciated Amb's vote.

I'm glad I finally get to play with you again, Amb. It feels like it's been so long. I hope we don't have to match wits against each other.
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Zag
Tired of his old title



PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:14 pm    Post subject: 57 Reply with quote

Perpentach wrote:
I'm saying No Vote, until...

Perpentach, are you saying that you are just abstaining from voting (which, I believe, you already were) or that you are intending to vote "No Lynch"? That is an active vote and can win the majority if enough people choose it, as opposed to "not voting" which can't win a majority.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:23 am    Post subject: 58 Reply with quote

I meant No Lynch. Thank you for pointing out the difference.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:33 am    Post subject: 59 Reply with quote

Perpentach wrote:

And therefore I'm saying No Vote

Why?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:37 am    Post subject: 60 Reply with quote

A few.
A while.
A mafia world, or real world?
Fun.
Mafia isn't about what you do, it's about what your opponents do.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:20 am    Post subject: 61 Reply with quote

bgg1996 wrote:
A few.
A while.
A mafia world, or real world?
Fun.
Mafia isn't about what you do, it's about what your opponents do.


Real world

Also I would like to say that no lynching day 1 is a very bad idea and shouldn't be practiced in my opinion. I'm holding off on judgment of the vote as I don't know anything about site policy on that.

Also I find it odd that because I apparently (and I don't agree with this) have failed with my RQS (Perpntach thinks my intention was to prevent a random vote?) that he wants to No Lynch. Anyone else finding a lack of reason in that?

vote: Perpentach

I'm going to retreat my Amb vote as it was an RVS vote he made and Jedo claims it is just his personality or something, which we'll know more of once he returns to the thread. Perpentach is more scummy.[/b]
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:45 am    Post subject: 62 Reply with quote

Deception wrote:
I'm not a fan of RVS by any means so I'll start us off with some Random Questions.

I apologize for inferring. It seemed that you were using your questions in order to avoid random voting (unless RVS means something else). I'd still like for us to say No Lynch but that seems like it's not going to happen. Several bandwagons seem to be forming and it is tempting to jump on one or form my own. Unless I can dispel suspicion against myself, or force a vote on someone else, I could be lynched. So Unvote: No Lynch, Vote: Deception
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:47 am    Post subject: 63 Reply with quote

I dont think its necesarilly scummy more a newb mistake. We need a lynch day 1 to get information. day2 or 3 no lynches are fairly common but there is almost always a lynch day 1.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:26 am    Post subject: 64 Reply with quote

I'd be more inclined to vote Perpendicularattack or Lucresia than anything. But thats as throw away as my first vote. I don't usually like seeing Newbs strung up first shot, as they tend to go do something more meaningful with their lives. Like russian roulette.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:48 am    Post subject: 65 Reply with quote

Perpentach wrote:
Deception wrote:
I'm not a fan of RVS by any means so I'll start us off with some Random Questions.

I apologize for inferring. It seemed that you were using your questions in order to avoid random voting (unless RVS means something else). I'd still like for us to say No Lynch but that seems like it's not going to happen. Several bandwagons seem to be forming and it is tempting to jump on one or form my own. Unless I can dispel suspicion against myself, or force a vote on someone else, I could be lynched. So Unvote: No Lynch, Vote: Deception


I think I see a reoccurring theme here.

You do realize that we have /a lot/ of time to decide who to lynch right? We aren't rushed and it isn't like we have to decide that soon. You seem to be heavily panicking from my vote and eariler you were panicking to come to a decision. Either scum tells or null tells, anyone know more about perpetach and which is more likely?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:56 am    Post subject: 66 Reply with quote

Deception plays like in Mafiascum which I think is a horrible way to play. Ughh! I hate those questions. Makes it feel less like a game and more like an interview.

vote: Deception
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:03 am    Post subject: 67 Reply with quote

Amb wrote:
Vote 3iff: Every Fred I have ever known, which is to say none at all, has been completely evil in every sense.


That is harsh and completely nonsensical.

On the grounds that they have been incredibly quiet...too quiet? Vote: Silverfire
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:59 pm    Post subject: 68 Reply with quote

I have lost power due to Irene, and will not have consistent internet access. We're supposedly getting internet by the middle of next week at the latest.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:19 pm    Post subject: 69 Reply with quote

Of course it is 3iff. What kind of logical argument could I possibly use against anyone right now? So I just throw dung and see who it hits and how it sticks. Dung only sticks to scum doncha know?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:33 pm    Post subject: 70 Reply with quote

So thats why Amb is always covered in feces Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:07 pm    Post subject: 71 Reply with quote

Just want to make sure I have the count right. The current votes are for:
Deception x2
Silverfire
Perpentach
Sentran
Lifeinmomland

[b]Unvote amb[/b] for having his way of voting cleared up to me.

Thanks for informing me what I was doing wrong with the code. Revenge most foul! I don't really do computer codes of any kind.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:24 pm    Post subject: 72 Reply with quote

Amb, your 'slinging' reminds me of a quote my friend used to use all the time: "Life is like a caged gorilla - mock it and it throws excrement at you." =)

Garou_Kinfolk, I think your phone and the forum don't play well lol. When I quote your post the bold shows up but it doesn't when in it's in your post. Weird.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:28 pm    Post subject: 73 Reply with quote

Garou, I have no idea why your bold tags didn't work that time. In fact, if I quote your post and preview without changing, they work fine. I'll accept it.

Also, while I will try to post an official vote count near the top of every new page, you can request one any time.

Finally, I guess you've come over from mafiascum, so this might seem new to you, but if you assume everyone here is saying things tongue-in-cheek, just as friendly banter, you'll almost always be correct. Feel free to give as good as you get!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:33 pm    Post subject: 74 Reply with quote

You had "Always Allow BBCode" turned off in your profile. I've turned it on, thinking it would immediately change the interpretation of your note, but it didn't.

ahh, I see if I edit your note, you have "Disable BBCode in this post" checked. No doubt, it checked it as the default because of your profile setting. Don't edit it!! But you might want to check from now on if that is not checked. Since I changed your profile, it probably won't be, anymore.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:48 am    Post subject: 75 Reply with quote

ZAG PWNS the BBcoding issue.

that deserves a vote. unvote, Vote Zag.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:15 am    Post subject: 76 Reply with quote

Day is over. MNOWAX is lynched.


Just kidding. Carry on.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:49 am    Post subject: 77 Reply with quote

there is nothing in the rules about not voting the mod. I protest this treatment of my good friend MNO. Vote:Zag Afterall MNOWAX is still busy running Top GL'er Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:58 am    Post subject: 78 Reply with quote

FOS Garou
Displayed a common newbie scum tell. Moving right along: this only serves for me to look back at later.
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3iff
very unbifflike



PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:26 am    Post subject: 79 Reply with quote

Amb, do you really think that "Fred the placeholder" would be scum? Surely there are better targets to practice your hobby?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:39 am    Post subject: 80 Reply with quote

An interesting way to fish for info, so bold. At yet it has worked well. As for me I will answer some of your questions, but some I consider to esoteric to bother with. I could lie, but why bother. It is much more likely you are scum and will later use this info to turn townies on townies, than your claim of feeling out personalities.

In live mafia I do not remember how often, but more than once. As for online, once I believe. My mafia career has not been long, but since games on this site can take a month or better to run, and I am simultaneously a full time student, mother and wife I do not remember any more than once, and that only because being the Godfather in my first game EVER and ending up on my own almost right out of the gate proved to be memorable. I believe that covers both of the first 2 questions.

Question three is the one that I find useless. It seems to me to be a question along those same lines of the morality questionnaires that used to be given at job interviews, and just as vague. In a world in which we are never criticized for being wrong? Really? Even if I am wrong, and criticized for it, it does not change my perception. Or maybe it does and I learn something new. In a world without criticism we would have a world without progress. I could continue, but I hope you now see my point about this question being esoteric.

I play mafia because I like it. It is a challenge. An interesting exercise in human dynamics, even online.

I anticipate when I can, and react when I can't.

Having answered your questions I am done for tonight. My pilliow is calling out to be slept one. Extreme Delectation
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