Where?

[Scurra]

Since we seem to be in a flurry right now. here's one I am currently working on (in that the clues are in a slight state of flux.) It should be noted that it was written by a British person...

23rd Regiment of Foot
Austen family
Boer War battle
Canova sculpture
Carla Lane sitcom
Compass point
Confine to one place
English Freeman
Famous fossil shale
Fictional Mouse
Hastings or Waterloo
Length of cricket pitch
Member of U2
Metal fastener
Out of the ordinary
Paranoid android
Park in Southwark
Prison guard
Royal residence
Secondary school
Shakespearean Prince
Since the Middle Ages
State of the art
To judge again
Trick somebody
Type of accent
Used to play music
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[Suspence]

Guesses to get started:

23rd Regiment of Foot
Austen family
Boer War battle
Canova sculpture
Carla Lane sitcom
Compass point
Confine to one place
English Freeman
Famous fossil shale - BURGESS
Fictional Mouse - MICKEY
Hastings or Waterloo
Length of cricket pitch
Member of U2 - BONO, THE EDGE
Metal fastener
Out of the ordinary - UNUSUAL
Paranoid android - MARVIN
Park in Southwark - BURGESS (again?)
Prison guard
Royal residence - PALACE
Secondary school
Shakespearean Prince - HAMLET
Since the Middle Ages
State of the art
To judge again
Trick somebody
Type of accent
Used to play music - INSTRUMENT
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[3iff]

23rd Regiment of Foot ROYAL WELSH FUSILIERS
Austen family
Boer War battle CRIMEA
Canova sculpture PSYCHE, 3 GRACES
Carla Lane sitcom BREAD, LIVER BIRDS
Compass point
Confine to one place RESTRICT
English Freeman MARTIN
Famous fossil shale - BURGESS
Fictional Mouse - MICKEY, JERRY, STUART LITTLE
Hastings or Waterloo BATTLE
Length of cricket pitch CHAIN (22 yards)
Member of U2 - BONO, THE EDGE
Metal fastener ZIP, RIVET, BUTTON
Out of the ordinary - UNUSUAL
Paranoid android - MARVIN
Park in Southwark - BURGESS (again?) (I spotted that too)
Prison guard SCREW
Royal residence - PALACE
Secondary school GRAMMAR
Shakespearean Prince - HAMLET
Since the Middle Ages RENAISSANCE, MODERN
State of the art CUTTING EDGE
To judge again RECONSIDER
Trick somebody FOOL
Type of accent
Used to play music - INSTRUMENT

Added my thoughts and the clues are open enough to accommodate lots of possible answers. I can't see a pattern yet.

27 clues suggest a 3 * 9 (or how about a 3 * 3 * 3 cube?)

[Suspence]

23rd Regiment of Foot - ROYAL WELSH FUSILIERS
Austen family -
Boer War battle - CRIMEA
Canova sculpture - PSYCHE, 3 GRACES
Carla Lane sitcom - BREAD, LIVER BIRDS
Compass point - NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, WEST
Confine to one place - RESTRICT
English Freeman - MARTIN
Famous fossil shale - BURGESS
Fictional Mouse - MICKEY, JERRY, STUART LITTLE, MIGHTY, DANGER
Hastings or Waterloo - BATTLE
Length of cricket pitch - CHAIN (22 yards)
Member of U2 - BONO, THE EDGE
Metal fastener - ZIP, RIVET, BUTTON
Out of the ordinary - UNUSUAL
Paranoid android - MARVIN
Park in Southwark - BURGESS (again?) (I spotted that too)
Prison guard - SCREW
Royal residence - PALACE
Secondary school - GRAMMAR
Shakespearean Prince - HAMLET
Since the Middle Ages - RENAISSANCE, MODERN
State of the art - CUTTING EDGE, MODERN (again?)
To judge again - RECONSIDER, REEVALUATE
Trick somebody - FOOL
Type of accent -
Used to play music - INSTRUMENT

Added a few more.
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[3iff]

23rd Regiment of Foot - ROYAL WELSH FUSILIERS
Austen family -
Boer War battle - SPION KOP
Canova sculpture - PSYCHE, 3 GRACES
Carla Lane sitcom - BREAD, LIVER BIRDS
Compass point - NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, WEST
Confine to one place - RESTRICT
English Freeman - MARTIN
Famous fossil shale - BURGESS
Fictional Mouse - MICKEY, JERRY, STUART LITTLE, MIGHTY, DANGER
Hastings or Waterloo - BATTLE
Length of cricket pitch - CHAIN (22 yards)
Member of U2 - BONO, THE EDGE
Metal fastener - ZIP, RIVET, BUTTON
Out of the ordinary - UNUSUAL
Paranoid android - MARVIN
Park in Southwark - BURGESS (again?) (I spotted that too)
Prison guard - SCREW
Royal residence - PALACE (or a specific royal building)
Secondary school - GRAMMAR
Shakespearean Prince - HAMLET
Since the Middle Ages - RENAISSANCE, MODERN
State of the art - CUTTING EDGE, MODERN (again?)
To judge again - RECONSIDER, REEVALUATE
Trick somebody - FOOL
Type of accent - BROGUE (or could be any specific regional accent or a mark over a word ACUTE, GRAVE, CIRCUMFLEX)
Used to play music - INSTRUMENT

Lots of potential answers, no potentiel ideas of matching them up...

Crimea is nowhere near the Boer war...what was I thinking...

Spion Kop links to Liver Birds (Liverpool FC terrace called the Kop)

[Suspence]

[3iff]

Yes, when it comes down to baseball/basketball stuff then I'm lost. Presidents are ok because I can look them up but it's not first nature to me (ditto for English kings & queens).

At least with this I can understand the British slant without resorting to lots of research...no guarantee I'll be any better than you though!

[Quailman]

I looked at the suggested answer for Length of a Cricket Pitch and thought, "22 yards? That's not much distance to get the horses up to speed, and the guys would always be getting smacked in the head with those mallets."

D'oh! I need more sleep.

[Elethiomel]

The duplicates are strange. Maybe the point is to find duplicates?

"Metal fastener" could also be CHAIN.
"State of the art" could simply be THE EDGE.

Unrelated: "Austen family" could be DASHWOOD.

[Oscar]

Prison guard - SCREW
Metal fastener -SCREW?
Trick somebody - SCREW?

Park in Southwark - BURGESS?
Famous fossil shale - BURGESS
English Freeman - BURGESS?

Also schools can be known as Secondary MODERN to go with the others.

But metal fastener could also be PIN, as could 'confine to one place'

And my guess for Austen family would be BENNET
But this opens up a different possibility:

Hank MARVIN
Bruce WELCH (The 23rd regiment of foot is the Royal WELCH Fusiliers)
and Bruce Bennett (not Bennett) were members of The Shadows

The jury's still out....

[Scurra]

[Suspence]

Summarizing progress:

SCREW
Prison guard
Metal fastener
Trick somebody

BURGESS
English Freeman
Famous fossil shale
Park in Southwark

MODERN
Secondary school
Since the Middle Ages
State of the art

THE SHADOWS
Austen family - BENNET
23rd Regiment of Foot - WELCH
Paranoid android - MARVIN

Unsolved:
Boer War battle - SPION KOP
Canova sculpture - PSYCHE, 3 GRACES
Carla Lane sitcom - BREAD, LIVER BIRDS
Compass point - NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, WEST
Confine to one place - RESTRICT
Fictional Mouse - MICKEY, JERRY, STUART LITTLE, MIGHTY, DANGER
Hastings or Waterloo - BATTLE
Length of cricket pitch - CHAIN (22 yards)
Member of U2 - BONO, THE EDGE
Out of the ordinary - UNUSUAL
Royal residence - PALACE (or a specific royal building)
Shakespearean Prince - HAMLET
To judge again - RECONSIDER, REEVALUATE
Type of accent - BROGUE (or could be any specific regional accent or a mark over a word ACUTE, GRAVE, CIRCUMFLEX)
Used to play music - INSTRUMENT
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[Quailman]

Fictional Mouse - Danny, from The Adventures of Danny Meadow Mouse by Thornton Burgess !
Itchy
Feivel
Algernon
Pinky
Speedy Gonzalez
Topo Gigio

[Quailman]

Some more possibilities:

Boer War battle - SPION KOP LADYSMITH BLOODY SUNDAY Think U2
Canova sculpture - PSYCHE, 3 GRACES
Carla Lane sitcom - BREAD, LIVER BIRDS
Compass point - NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, WEST
Confine to one place - RESTRICT INCARCERATE
Fictional Mouse - MICKEY, JERRY, STUART LITTLE, MIGHTY, DANGER
Hastings or Waterloo - BATTLE
Length of cricket pitch - CHAIN (22 yards)
Member of U2 - BONO, THE EDGE
Out of the ordinary - UNUSUAL ODD
Royal residence - PALACE (or a specific royal building) CASTLE
Shakespearean Prince - HAMLET HAL EDWARD
To judge again - RECONSIDER, REEVALUATE REDEEM
Type of accent - BROGUE (or could be any specific regional accent or a mark over a word ACUTE, GRAVE, CIRCUMFLEX)
Used to play music - INSTRUMENT MP3 PLAYER IPOD TURNTABLE FLASH

[Scurra]

[3iff]

Boer War battle - SPION KOP LADYSMITH [BLOODY SUNDAY Think U2 (that was about Northern Ireland 1972)]
Canova sculpture - PSYCHE, 3 GRACES
Carla Lane sitcom - BREAD, LIVER BIRDS
Compass point - NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, WEST plus NE,NW,SE,SW
Confine to one place - RESTRICT INCARCERATE, IMPRISON, RESTRAIN
Fictional Mouse - MICKEY, JERRY, STUART LITTLE, MIGHTY, DANGER
Hastings or Waterloo - BATTLE
Length of cricket pitch - CHAIN (22 yards)
Member of U2 - BONO, THE EDGE
Out of the ordinary - UNUSUAL ODD
Royal residence - PALACE (or a specific royal building) CASTLE
Shakespearean Prince - HAMLET HAL EDWARD
To judge again - RECONSIDER, REEVALUATE REDEEM
Type of accent - BROGUE (or could be any specific regional accent or a mark over a word ACUTE, GRAVE, CIRCUMFLEX)
Used to play music - INSTRUMENT MP3 PLAYER IPOD TURNTABLE FLASH

Of the 4 groups we have (assuming they're correct) I don't see any link.
Still thinking...

[3iff]

Getting nowhere with this...

[Oscar]

LIVERPOOL
Spion Kop (part of Liverpool's Anfield stadium) - Boer War battle
Liver Birds (set in Liverpool) - Carla Lane series
The 3 Graces ( collectively the Liver, Cunard & Port of Liverpool buildings) - Canova sculpture

SCREW
Prison guard
Metal fastener
Trick somebody

BURGESS
English Freeman
Famous fossil shale
Park in Southwark

MODERN
Secondary school
Since the Middle Ages
State of the art

THE SHADOWS
Austen family - BENNET
23rd Regiment of Foot - WELCH
Paranoid android - MARVIN

Unsolved:

Compass point - NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, WEST etc DIRECTION
Confine to one place - RESTRICT INCARCERATE FIX PIN
Fictional Mouse - MICKEY, JERRY, STUART LITTLE, MIGHTY, DANGER
Hastings or Waterloo - BATTLE
Length of cricket pitch - CHAIN (22 yards)
Member of U2 - BONO, THE EDGE CLAYTON MULLEN
Out of the ordinary - UNUSUAL ODD STRANGE REMARKABLE
Royal residence - PALACE (or a specific building) CASTLE WINDSOR
Shakespearean Prince - HAMLET HAL EDWARD
To judge again - RECONSIDER REEVALUATE REDEEM RETRY REHEAR
Type of accent - BROGUE (or could be any specific regional accent or a mark over a word ACUTE, GRAVE, CIRCUMFLEX)
Used to play music - INSTRUMENT MP3 PLAYER IPOD TURNTABLE FLASH
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[Scurra]

You have already made one connection that is correct, but you haven't found the third part of that set. And I will again say that there are other British references in the puzzle.

I have noticed that "straight" clues can often be harder (both for the setter and the solver) than cryptics simply because you only get a relatively short space to work with. And it's much harder when you are trying to find alternative references to the ones that are intended for the final puzzle.
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[Suspence]

[Oscar]

Not sure if you'd read my previous post, Scurra, since we overlapped, but I have another update anyway...

BALL
Compass point - BEARING
Confine to one place - PIN
Out of the ordinary - ODD

LIVERPOOL
Spion Kop (part of Liverpool's Anfield stadium) - Boer War battle
Liver Birds (set in Liverpool) - Carla Lane series
The 3 Graces ( collectively the Liver, Cunard & Port of Liverpool buildings) - Canova sculpture

THE SHADOWS
Austen family - BENNET
23rd Regiment of Foot - WELCH
Paranoid android - MARVIN

And one of these groups is apparently wrong:

SCREW
Prison guard
Metal fastener
Trick somebody

BURGESS
English Freeman
Famous fossil shale
Park in Southwark

MODERN
Secondary school
Since the Middle Ages
State of the art

Since SCREW and BALL go nicely together it looks like BURGESS or MODERN is incorrect. For the moment I'll assume that MODERN is wrong and put those clues back in the pot...

Unsolved:

Secondary school - GRAMMAR COMPREHENSIVE UPPER SENIOR
Since the Middle Ages - MODERN
State of the art - CUTTING-EDGE
Fictional Mouse - MICKEY, JERRY, STUART LITTLE, MIGHTY, DANGER
Hastings or Waterloo - BATTLE
Length of cricket pitch - CHAIN (22 yards)
Member of U2 - BONO, THE EDGE CLAYTON MULLEN
Royal residence - PALACE (or a specific building) CASTLE WINDSOR
Shakespearean Prince - HAMLET HAL EDWARD
To judge again - RECONSIDER REEVALUATE REDEEM RETRY REHEAR
Type of accent - BROGUE (or could be any specific regional accent or a mark over a word ACUTE, GRAVE, CIRCUMFLEX)
Used to play music - INSTRUMENT MP3 PLAYER IPOD TURNTABLE FLASH

[edit: just realised I may have misunderstood Scurra's post, and maybe the umbrella sets were OK but one of the components was wrong. Possibly the Shakespearean prince is RICHARD and the Shadows member is Cliff Richard rather than Brian Bennett?]

[Scurra]

As you surmised I had missed your other post, so yes, LIVERPOOL was the connection I was referring to.
However your latest conclusion is incorrect. Although it's very plausible.
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[Oscar]

Another overlap!
So now I assume that the BALL set is incorrect, but how about the others?

[3iff]

Totally confused now...I've no idea which sets might or might not be wrong.

[Scurra]

I shall try not to overlap this time.
Just to confirm: BURGESS, MODERN, SCREW, LIVERPOOL and SHADOWs are correct.
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[3iff]

Thanks.

[3iff]

Recap. Confirmed correct

LIVERPOOL
Spion Kop (part of Liverpool's Anfield stadium) - Boer War battle
Liver Birds (set in Liverpool) - Carla Lane series
The 3 Graces ( collectively the Liver, Cunard & Port of Liverpool buildings) - Canova sculpture

THE SHADOWS
Austen family - BENNET
23rd Regiment of Foot - WELCH
Paranoid android - MARVIN

SCREW
Prison guard
Metal fastener
Trick somebody

BURGESS
English Freeman
Famous fossil shale
Park in Southwark

MODERN
Secondary school
Since the Middle Ages
State of the art

Unsolved:

Compass point - BEARING NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, WEST etc DIRECTION
Confine to one place - RESTRICT INCARCERATE FIX PIN
Out of the ordinary - UNUSUAL ODD STRANGE REMARKABLE
Fictional Mouse - MICKEY, JERRY, STUART LITTLE, MIGHTY, DANGER
Hastings or Waterloo - BATTLE
Length of cricket pitch - CHAIN (22 yards)
Member of U2 - BONO, THE EDGE CLAYTON MULLEN
Royal residence - PALACE (or a specific building) CASTLE WINDSOR
Shakespearean Prince - HAMLET HAL EDWARD
To judge again - RECONSIDER REEVALUATE REDEEM RETRY REHEAR
Type of accent - BROGUE (or could be any specific regional accent or a mark over a word ACUTE, GRAVE, CIRCUMFLEX)
Used to play music - INSTRUMENT MP3 PLAYER IPOD TURNTABLE FLASH

[Vagrant]

Hastings or Waterloo - could also be STATION since this was written by a British person.

[Elethiomel]

I also thought about that earlier. Or maybe BATTLESTATION?

Castle and Pin could be chess terms, but I don't see a third.

[referee]

how about (pawn) CHAIN?
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[Scurra]

Clearly this turned out to be much harder than I expected since if you don't spot links the answers can remain pretty much impenetrable.

I tried to make the sets into patterned groups to assist in the solving, but again this might not have helped as much as I had hoped. (So there are three sets where the answers are the same, three sets where the answers are connected as part of a group etc.)

I was hoping that someone might deduce some of the next stage connections from the five sets you had found (and then backsolved some of the others. Here they are again.

BURGESS, MODERN, SCREW, LIVERPOOL, SHADOWs.
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[Oscar]

I'd attempted to link current known sets and thought about
STREET
Liverpool Street (Railway terminus)
Street Shadows
but couldn't come up with a third which linked with sufficient first stage answers. (Street was appealing because of the puzzle title, of course)
I also tried and failed to come with a third stage link for any two from Screw, Modern and Burgess.

Having another look I can almost see another link:
DRIVE
Chain (Cricket pitch length)
Flash (used to play music)
Minnie (fictional mouse =>DRIVER rather than DRIVE)

This would potentially link with STREET quite nicely.

Another stab would be
RADIO
Station (Hastings or Waterloo)
Local (Type of accent)
Signal (Out of the ordinary)
but I'd have less confidence in either of those than I had with my previous BALL links.

One of the problems is that if Compass point is any of North, South etc then the potential links are almost endless, and I can easily imagine that there are a couple of musical groups that could be constructed from various first or last names. And finally the first stage that is proving the most intractable is 'judge again' - I can't see where RETRY or REDEEM would be going....

[Scurra]

I entirely agree that Compass Point is too vague; my difficulty is that my alternative answers ended up being too specific, and I thought there were already too many specific clues in the list. Maybe not.
So, instead of Compass Point, how about Detective McNulty instead? Obviously the intended answer is easy to derive given the earlier version of the clue, but hey ho...

[Jack_Ian]

Used to play music - AMY WINEHOUSE (couldn't resist)

[Oscar]

[Suspence]

It seemed to make sense to me. There are clearly 3 different ways that we are supposed to come up with the answers.

There are 3 sets of 3 where solution is the same word:
BURGESS
MODERN
SCREW

There are 3 sets of 3 where the solutions contribute to a group:
LIVERPOOL
SHADOWS
???

And there must be 3 sets of 3 where some other method is to be used, though I don't think we've discovered it yet.

From there, knowing that Scurra is a very good puzzle writer, it would make most sense if either:
1) each of the sets led to another word OR
2) one from each of the sets combined to lead us to another word.

Based on what Scurra has said, it seems the latter is true. Therefore, there should be some connection between one from BURGESS/MODERN/SCREW to LIVERPOOL, as well as a connection from BURGESS/MODERN/SCREW to SHADOWS.

I'd also venture to guess that you'll need to use the same 3 techniques once each to build the final set of three.
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[Suspence]

With the additional clue "Compass Point" is WEST.

Summarizing again:

LIVERPOOL
THE SHADOWS
????

SCREW
BURGESS
MODERN

????
????
????

Unsolved:
Compass point - WEST
Confine to one place - RESTRICT INCARCERATE FIX PIN
Out of the ordinary - UNUSUAL ODD STRANGE REMARKABLE
Fictional Mouse - MICKEY, JERRY, STUART LITTLE, MIGHTY, DANGER
Hastings or Waterloo - BATTLE
Length of cricket pitch - CHAIN (22 yards)
Member of U2 - BONO, THE EDGE CLAYTON MULLEN
Royal residence - PALACE (or a specific building) CASTLE WINDSOR
Shakespearean Prince - HAMLET HAL EDWARD
To judge again - RECONSIDER REEVALUATE REDEEM RETRY REHEAR
Type of accent - BROGUE (or could be any specific regional accent or a mark over a word ACUTE, GRAVE, CIRCUMFLEX)
Used to play music - INSTRUMENT MP3 PLAYER IPOD TURNTABLE FLASH

Since my UK knowledge is based solely on soccer:
- Darren Burgess is the first team trainer at Liverpool FC. http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/team/first-team/staff/darren-burgess
- I do see in the unsolved WEST, HAM(LET), PALACE (as in Crystal Palace), but I doubt that is correct.

I'm reluctant to put too much additional effort into this, as it's pretty Brit-centric. I'm pretty much forced to Google every possibility.
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[Oscar]

Since we now know that 'Liverpool' has to go with one of Burgess/Screw/Modern the most plausible connection seems to be via the group of galleries known as:
TATE
Liverpool
Modern
and either
Britain (formerly the original Tate Gallery in London) or
St Ives or Cornwall
I'll look to see if I can link one of these to the existing 'floating' words....

[Scurra]

[Oscar]

It looks to me as if the third Tate is probably
BRITAIN
Battle [of] (Hastings or Waterloo)
Great (Out of the ordinary)
Little (from Stuart Little, fictional mouse - Little Britain the TV series)

However I'm not going to make other suggestions until this has been confirmed or rejected, since there are so many plausible options on the remaining words...