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novice
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 Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:50 pm    Post subject: 1081 Our 36 symbols might be the 44 phonemes listed here minus the eight diphtongs, which are just represented by two other symbols in a row. http://www.antimoon.com/how/pronunc-soundsipa.htm There are 12 vowels, then. We have 10 "other shapes" plus the * and the h*. The triangle, square, diamond and circle variations might be our consonnants, then. There are different phonetic classes of consonnants, at least fricatives and plosives, off the top of my head. So those might be circles and triangles, with the remaining symbols for the more esoteric kinds of consonnants.
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 Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:01 pm    Post subject: 1082 Symbol classification: Base shapes: s = square t = triangle d = vertical diamond h = horizontal diamond c = circle Modifiers: * = central dot v = v shape on top ^ = ^ shape underneath / = / shape on top , = / shape underneath - = line on top Symbols by base shape: K = c - 37 C = c* - 19 A = cv - 24 I = c^ - 11 S = cv* - 6 6 = c^* - 18 J = ct - 3 4 = ct/ - 6 L = ct/* - 6 9 = c- - 1 W = d* - 43 N = dv* - 7 B = dv^* - 7 Q = h* - 31 Z = * - 61 V = s* - 41 D = sv* - 5 5 = s^* - 21 1 = t - 37 8 = t* - 6 G = t^ - 8 2 = tv - 8 3 = t^* - 2 X = t/ - 2 O = t, - 6 R = t,* - 8 (also listed under circles): J = ct - 3 4 = ct/ - 6 L = ct* - 6 Other shapes: E = ~ - 19 M = < - 39 Y = > - 7 P = @' - cw spiral - 12 T = @ - ccw spiral - 21 U = & - pig's tail - 15 H = &' - pig's tail (inverted) - 2 0 = ( - 8 F = ) - 13 7 = } - 24
novice
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 Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:10 pm    Post subject: 1083 Another potentiallly useful chart, seems to have the symbols we want, classified in different manners. http://www.ic.arizona.edu/~lsp/IPA/SSAE.html
Suspence
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 Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:16 pm    Post subject: 1084 This seems to be the "official" one, put out by the International Phonetic Association: http://www.langsci.ucl.ac.uk/ipa/fullchart.html _________________I hate people who try to write interesting things in their signature.
novice
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:15 am    Post subject: 1085

 novice wrote: Our 36 symbols might be the 44 phonemes listed here minus the eight diphtongs, which are just represented by two other symbols in a row. http://www.antimoon.com/how/pronunc-soundsipa.htm There are 12 vowels, then. We have 10 "other shapes" plus the * and the h*. The triangle, square, diamond and circle variations might be our consonnants, then. There are different phonetic classes of consonnants, at least fricatives and plosives, off the top of my head. So those might be circles and triangles, with the remaining symbols for the more esoteric kinds of consonnants.

This distribution of vowels and consonants yields 252 vowels and 332 consonants. Seems reasonable.
novice
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 12:32 pm    Post subject: 1086

Transcribed clues:

 Code: aa: 1 K Y 6 7 Q C Z W C U V 7 1 ab: V 0 5 B 7 O 2 U 7 Q C ac: F Q 6 E W 6 1 K P 6 N Y A B 7 A ad: 1 U V Z K Z W A Q M K Z 1 1 A E 3 I E 1 Z 5 ae: 2 F W Z 1 R Z 6 Z W C 2 U C Z C G Y Q af: 2 M Q T 5 E V 1 K Z W L Y V N Z W ag: O H K Q Z 1 2 P W M X Y ah: 1 K T V S T V L F V 8 ai: 1 K 7 A Q U S 8 5 7 A F 2 E M F aj: R M T V P V 1 Z W C A B U 1 4 Z V T G K 7 5 Z O M ak: S P Q Z V K al: Q E V M 4 F A am: Q F 7 1 4 E W Z Q 8 Q 0 M C M G 7 D S Z W an: 1 7 V 1 7 P K M F S Z W A ao: N T 5 N T 5 1 7 V A 0 W 1 V F 6 E Q M K Z W ap: W E 6 Z W K R Z B M aq: O T V C Z W K B E M V ar: C 0 3 7 C V F M W 8 as: G W M I M V T J C T S at: Q 7 9 Z Q 5 P A 1 5 M K 6 Y J au: R Z I Z W 1 Z V Z Q 1 U A W Z K U W M K Y 4 U C av: 1 E Q K G 7 X 6 T V N Z V aw: W F C W T V Z W 5 M I 5 M I G Z 6 E D ax: A W 7 1 I M 5 F W K Z V ay: A B U 1 4 Z V Z 6 Z Q 4 T 4 5 Z V K O M Z C F W 1 K T 5 Z A 6 W 0 1 az: Q 7 V K M 1 T Q 7 3 Z V R Z Q 7 V K A Z Q U A K Z W ba: R Z N T D Z T W 4 7 Q bb: R Z N T D Z T W 4 7 Q 8 2 0 K Z C 6 W E M C bc: 1 T Q M 1 K W 0 M K 4 P A Z K bd: B 7 K 5 Z V 1 P 5 I Q Z W be: R M U 5 I Z W Z W bf: G 0 M A A E A V M P A 1 U V K P Q Z V 1 K W 7 I bg: O W M 6 M V E J bh: P V C M 6 T D A Z 5 bi: A W P V 6 U W M 1 H 1 E I Z V 2 E M 5 Z W bj: 5 7 1 K Z W I U V C Z Q K Z V bk: K M K K E M 5 6 M 6 M 1 K E M Z Q 8

These were a pain to type up but they mean we can test decipher using case-sensitive search and replace in a text editor.

Last edited by novice on Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:45 am; edited 1 time in total
gftt*
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 Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:42 am    Post subject: 1087 How about this... the 5 symbols Circle, Square, Triangle, Diamond, and sideways Diamond are a) the five that are "hollow" shapes; and b) the ones that seem to have accent marks/dots inside/combinations (eg, triangle in circle). Maybe those are the vowel sounds?
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:00 am    Post subject: 1088

 gftt* wrote: How about this... the 5 symbols Circle, Square, Triangle, Diamond, and sideways Diamond are a) the five that are "hollow" shapes; and b) the ones that seem to have accent marks/dots inside/combinations (eg, triangle in circle). Maybe those are the vowel sounds?

Maybe the other way around, as there are too many of those symbols. 11 symbols are NOT one of the above so perhaps those are the vowel sounds, leaving 25 for consonant-type things.

Are there 11 vowel sounds in English?
Long a, e, i, o u
a in ah
a in cat
schwa/short e/short u (could be lumped together?)
short i
short o
oy
ow

Reasonably close...
gftt*
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:09 pm    Post subject: 1089

gftt* wrote:
 gftt* wrote: How about this... the 5 symbols Circle, Square, Triangle, Diamond, and sideways Diamond are a) the five that are "hollow" shapes; and b) the ones that seem to have accent marks/dots inside/combinations (eg, triangle in circle). Maybe those are the vowel sounds?

Maybe the other way around, as there are too many of those symbols. 11 symbols are NOT one of the above so perhaps those are the vowel sounds, leaving 25 for consonant-type things.

Are there 11 vowel sounds in English?
Long a, e, i, o u
a in ah
a in cat
schwa/short e/short u (could be lumped together?)
short i
short o
oy
ow

Reasonably close...

More evidence: the non-hollow symbols are fairly evenly spaced. Rarely do you see two of them consecutively. With 61 occurrences I'd vote that the dot is a schwa.
Suspence
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 Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:06 pm    Post subject: 1090 So the 11th string of images is: - Consonant sound - Vowel sound - Consonant sound - Schwa - Consonant sound - Consonant sound related to the first consonant sound somehow, since both are variations of circles?_________________I hate people who try to write interesting things in their signature.
Suspence
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:22 pm    Post subject: 1091

 LordKinbote wrote: The other team managed to figure out what the decrypted data was before tackling the code, and then decrypted it easily afterwards. So it's definitely a puzzle that you can attack from either side.

Looking up ITINERANT, the two groupings that are "of the Americas" are Freighthoppers and Indigenous people

It seems like Indigenous Peoples might give a more clearly defined list...maybe we're looking for the names of Native American tribes?
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novice
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 Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:04 pm    Post subject: 1092 I've been thinking of indians but had problems finding a list of 37 tribes. My efforts on this are on hold for a week.
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:20 pm    Post subject: 1093

 Suspence wrote: So the 11th string of images is: - Consonant sound - Vowel sound - Consonant sound - Schwa - Consonant sound - Consonant sound related to the first consonant sound somehow, since both are variations of circles?

That would be my hypothesis, but there are a lot of assumptions I'm making. DIVERT is a word that could fit.
Suspence
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 Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:55 pm    Post subject: 1094 Would Native American names have a slightly different vowel/constant ratio/pattern than other words? If so, is that noticeable in the puzzle lines?_________________I hate people who try to write interesting things in their signature.
Suspence
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 Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:59 pm    Post subject: 1095 Reading up on itinerants - freighthoppers and hobos have a "rudimentary code for writing" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobo#Hobo_.28sign.29_code Some of these symbols could be from the code, possibly??? Gotta run out, so I'm done for today._________________I hate people who try to write interesting things in their signature.
gftt*
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 Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:13 am    Post subject: 1096 Hmm.. I see that most of my musings were duplications of novice's posts up at the top of this page. Not sure how I missed that - sorry for stepping on your toes! Anyhow, I like your suggestion that the different shapes (triangle, circle, etc) are classes of consonants. Maybe the dot in the middle indicates breathed or unbreathed? (p vs b, for instance)
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:15 am    Post subject: 1097

http://www.ic.arizona.edu/~lsp/IPA/SSAE.html
Going with this chart that novice found, we have

STOP: 7 consonants, 3 pairs of voiced/unvoiced + one extra unvoiced
FRICATIVE: 9 consonants, 4 pairs + one extra unvoiced
AFFRICATE: 2 consonants, in 1 pair
NASAL: 3 consonants, all voiced
GLIDE: 3 consonants, one pair + one extra voiced
two other random voiced consonants (l and r)

Compare with:

CIRCLES: 7 total, 3 pairs plus one (c-) without a *
CIRCLE/TRIANGLES: 3 total, one pair plus one (ct/) without a *
TRIANGLES: 8 total, 3 pairs plus two without a *
SQUARES: 3, all with dots
VERTICAL DIAMOND: 3, all with dots
HORIZONTAL DIAMOND: 1, with dot

So maybe circles are stops, triangles are fricatives...? Horizontal diamond = L or R. There doesn't seem to be a perfect correspondence but maybe some of the phonemes are unused, or maybe there are a few missing from the chart.

 Quote: K = c - 37 C = c* - 19 A = cv - 24 I = c^ - 11 S = cv* - 6 6 = c^* - 18 J = ct - 3 4 = ct/ - 6 L = ct/* - 6 9 = c- - 1 W = d* - 43 N = dv* - 7 B = dv^* - 7 Q = h* - 31 V = s* - 41 D = sv* - 5 5 = s^* - 21 1 = t - 37 8 = t* - 6 G = t^ - 8 2 = tv - 8 3 = t^* - 2 X = t/ - 2 O = t, - 6 R = t,* - 8 J = ct - 3 4 = ct/ - 6 L = ct* - 6 Other shapes: Z = * - 61 E = ~ - 19 M = < - 39 Y = > - 7 P = @' - cw spiral - 12 T = @ - ccw spiral - 21 U = & - pig's tail - 15 H = &' - pig's tail (inverted) - 2 0 = ( - 8 F = ) - 13 7 = } - 24
gftt*
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 Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:50 pm    Post subject: 1098 Looking up affricates, it seems that they are a cross between a stop and a fricative. So it would make sense that they would be the circle/triangle hybrid symbols. That makes ct and ct* into CH and J in some order, with ct/ some other afficate that's not on the chart....
gftt*
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:53 pm    Post subject: 1099

 gftt* wrote: Looking up affricates, it seems that they are a cross between a stop and a fricative. So it would make sense that they would be the circle/triangle hybrid symbols. That makes ct and ct* into CH and J in some order, with ct/ some other afficate that's not on the chart....

Actually since all of the non-stop/fricative consonants seem voiced and their symbols (squares and diamonds) have dots, we can probably deduce ct* is J and ct is CH. That's all I've got for now.
LordKinbote
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 Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:46 am    Post subject: 1100 Okay...what kind of hint do you want? Clearly it ain't gettin' solved. It's a toughie, either way you approach it.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:35 pm    Post subject: 1101

 LordKinbote wrote: Okay...what kind of hint do you want? Clearly it ain't gettin' solved. It's a toughie, either way you approach it.

I would prefer no hints, I just haven't had time for this lately.
gftt*
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 Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:04 am    Post subject: 1102 I would kind of like to know which chart of English phonemes we should be looking at, since they're all slightly different, but I'll defer to novice here, seeing as he might have something in the works.
novice
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:16 am    Post subject: 1103

I finished transcribing the clues, see updated post upthread.

Transcribed clues, with some substitutions performed:

 Code: aa: 1 K Y 6 7 Q C Z W C U V 7 1 ab: V 0 5 B 7 O 2 U 7 Q C ac: F Q 6 E W 6 1 K P 6 N Y A B 7 A ad: 1 U V Z K Z W A Q M K Z 1 1 A E 3 I E 1 Z 5 ae: 2 F W Z 1 R Z 6 Z W C 2 U C Z C G Y Q af: 2 M Q T 5 E V 1 K Z W /dzh/ Y V N Z W ag: O H K Q Z 1 2 P W M X Y ah: 1 K T V S T V /dzh/ F V 8 ai: 1 K 7 A Q U S 8 5 7 A F 2 E M F aj: R M T V P V 1 Z W C A B U 1 /ch/ Z V T G K 7 5 Z O M ak: S P Q Z V K al: Q E V M /ch/ F A am: Q F 7 1 /ch/ E W Z Q 8 Q 0 M C M G 7 D S Z W an: 1 7 V 1 7 P K M F S Z W A ao: N T 5 N T 5 1 7 V A 0 W 1 V F 6 E Q M K Z W ap: W E 6 Z W K R Z B M aq: O T V C Z W K B E M V ar: C 0 3 7 C V F M W 8 as: G W M I M V T /ts/ C T S at: Q 7 9 Z Q 5 P A 1 5 M K 6 Y /ts/ au: R Z I Z W 1 Z V Z Q 1 U A W Z K U W M K Y /ch/ U C av: 1 E Q K G 7 X 6 T V N Z V aw: W F C W T V Z W 5 M I 5 M I G Z 6 E D ax: A W 7 1 I M 5 F W K Z V ay: A B U 1 /ch/ Z V Z 6 Z Q /dzh/ T /dzh/ 5 Z V K O M Z C F W 1 K T 5 Z A 6 W 0 1 az: Q 7 V K M 1 T Q 7 3 Z V R Z Q 7 V K A Z Q U A K Z W ba: R Z N T D Z T W /ch/ 7 Q bb: R Z N T D Z T W /ch/ 7 Q 8 2 0 K Z C 6 W E M C bc: 1 T Q M 1 K W 0 M K /ch/ P A Z K bd: B 7 K 5 Z V 1 P 5 I Q Z W be: R M U 5 I Z W Z W bf: G 0 M A A E A V M P A 1 U V K P Q Z V 1 K W 7 I bg: O W M 6 M V E /ts/ bh: P V C M 6 T D A Z 5 bi: A W P V 6 U W M 1 H 1 E I Z V 2 E M 5 Z W bj: 5 7 1 K Z W I U V C Z Q K Z V bk: K M K K E M 5 6 M 6 M 1 K E M Z Q 8

Substitutions:
4/ct/ (10 occurrences) - replaced with /ch/
L/ct/* (2 occurrences) - replaced with /dzh/
J/ct (3 occurrences) - replaced with /ts/

Last edited by novice on Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:02 am; edited 2 times in total
gftt*
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:06 pm    Post subject: 1104

 novice wrote: 4/ct/ (10 occurrences) - replaced with /ch/ L/ct/* (2 occurrences) - replaced with /dzh/ J/ct (3 occurrences) - replaced with /sh/

why /sh/? It's not an affricate on any chart I've seen.
novice
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:39 pm    Post subject: 1105

gftt* wrote:
 novice wrote: 4/ct/ (10 occurrences) - replaced with /ch/ L/ct/* (2 occurrences) - replaced with /dzh/ J/ct (3 occurrences) - replaced with /sh/

why /sh/? It's not an affricate on any chart I've seen.

Yeah I just chose a random similar unvoiced consonant, since you said there were only two affricates in english. I changed it to /ts/ now. I guess if we're looking for something native american we can encounter different phonemes from the standard english ones.
Suspence
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 Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:56 pm    Post subject: 1106 I haven't given this much thought since the phoneme stuff is beyond my comprehension. Based on your work, can you tell yet if a large number the words end in a vowel sound? Tribes that come to mind... Navajo Hopi Eskimo Arapaho Cherokee Apache Sioux Iroquois Lakota Shoshone Shawnee I'm struggling to think of any with non-vowel sounds at the end - Seminole, Algonquin......_________________I hate people who try to write interesting things in their signature.
gftt*
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:13 pm    Post subject: 1107

 Suspence wrote: I haven't given this much thought since the phoneme stuff is beyond my comprehension. Based on your work, can you tell yet if a large number the words end in a vowel sound? Tribes that come to mind... Navajo Hopi Eskimo Arapaho Cherokee Apache Sioux Iroquois Lakota Shoshone Shawnee I'm struggling to think of any with non-vowel sounds at the end - Seminole, Algonquin......

The entries in the list are much too long to be names of tribes. If there are N symbols then there will be roughly N/2 syllables.
Suspence
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 Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:41 pm    Post subject: 1108 OK. Indians are out. First result for "List of Hobos" was this: http://e-hobo.com/hoboes/list/_________________I hate people who try to write interesting things in their signature.
novice
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 Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:57 pm    Post subject: 1109 Clues ba and bb are interesting, they start with the same symbols.
Suspence
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 Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:21 pm    Post subject: 1110 It looks like BB is identical to BA, which just more added on to the end. On the hobo list, people I see like that would be: Jack Skunk Jack Skunk Fils Rocky ____stain Mankowicz Rocky ____stain Mankowicz Part II, the Quickening (Profanity redacted...I'm not a fan) The Young Churchill The Young Churchill's Hated Bride_________________I hate people who try to write interesting things in their signature.Last edited by Suspence on Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:53 pm; edited 1 time in total
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 Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:18 pm    Post subject: 1111 ba: R Z N T D Z T W /ch/ 7 Q bb: R Z N T D Z T W /ch/ 7 Q 8 2 0 K Z C 6 W E M C The 8 2 0 K Z C 6 W E M C works well as "-s hated bride" (d sound repeated twice = C = circle with dot, t then is K = circle without dot, which makes sense because t and d are unvoiced/voiced pair, the Z between the K and C is a dot for schwa as conjectured) Plus the /ch/ would work in Churchill... but unfortunately we need a /ch/ twice and it only appears once. Bah.
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:54 pm    Post subject: 1112

 novice wrote: [code]ay: A B U 1 /ch/ Z V Z 6 Z Q /ch/ T /ch/ 5 Z V K O M Z C F W 1 K T 5 Z A 6 W 0 1

Not sure where the transcription error came from, but this should be
A B U 1 /ch/ Z V Z 6 Z Q /dzh/ T /dzh/ 5 Z V K O M Z C F W 1 K T 5 Z A 6 W 0 1

The symbol T is a vowel, so unless there's an intervening word break, we might guess that the /dzh/ T /dzh/ is "judge".
Suspence
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 Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:05 am    Post subject: 1113 As in "Questionable-Judgement Theodore Stomachbrace"?_________________I hate people who try to write interesting things in their signature.
novice
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:27 am    Post subject: 1114

Symbols K (circle) and C (circle with dot) are some of the most frequent consonant symbols, with the dotted/voiced one less frequent than the unvoiced. I think these are good matches for the phonemes /t/ and /d/, especially since the circle + triangle symbols are assumed to be affricates of the type /tch/ and /dzh/.
Let's also replace Z (dot) with schwa, since that's also a working hypothesis.

EDIT: Furthermore, with the affricate assumption it makes sense that the triangle symbols are fricatives.
The three triangle symbols with associated affricates are:
1 = t - 37 occurrences
8 = t* - 6 occurrences (strictly speaking t/* but this symbol does not exist)
X = t/ - 2 occurrences

So let's assume
1 = t = /s/
8 = t* = /z/
X = t/ = /sh/

That matches our affricate assumptions of
4 = ct/ = /ch/
L = ct/* = /dzh/
J = ct = /ts/

 Code: aa: /s/ /t/ Y 6 7 Q /d/ /ǝ/ W /d/ U V 7 /s/ ab: V 0 5 B 7 O 2 U 7 Q /d/ ac: F Q 6 E W 6 /s/ /t/ P 6 N Y A B 7 A ad: /s/ U V /ǝ/ /t/ /ǝ/ W A Q M /t/ /ǝ/ /s/ /s/ A E 3 I E /s/ /ǝ/ 5 ae: 2 F W /ǝ/ /s/ R /ǝ/ 6 /ǝ/ W /d/ 2 U /d/ /ǝ/ /d/ G Y Q af: 2 M Q T 5 E V /s/ /t/ /ǝ/ W /dzh/ Y V N /ǝ/ W ag: O H /t/ Q /ǝ/ /s/ 2 P W M /sh/ Y ah: /s/ /t/ T V S T V /dzh/ F V /z/ ai: /s/ /t/ 7 A Q U S /z/ 5 7 A F 2 E M F aj: R M T V P V /s/ /ǝ/ W /d/ A B U /s/ /ch/ /ǝ/ V T G /t/ 7 5 /ǝ/ O M ak: S P Q /ǝ/ V /t/ al: Q E V M /ch/ F A am: Q F 7 /s/ /ch/ E W /ǝ/ Q /z/ Q 0 M /d/ M G 7 D S /ǝ/ W an: /s/ 7 V /s/ 7 P /t/ M F S /ǝ/ W A ao: N T 5 N T 5 /s/ 7 V A 0 W /s/ V F 6 E Q M /t/ /ǝ/ W ap: W E 6 /ǝ/ W /t/ R /ǝ/ B M aq: O T V /d/ /ǝ/ W /t/ B E M V ar: /d/ 0 3 7 /d/ V F M W /z/ as: G W M I M V T /ts/ /d/ T S at: Q 7 9 /ǝ/ Q 5 P A /s/ 5 M /t/ 6 Y /ts/ au: R /ǝ/ I /ǝ/ W /s/ /ǝ/ V /ǝ/ Q /s/ U A W /ǝ/ /t/ U W M /t/ Y /ch/ U /d/ av: /s/ E Q /t/ G 7 /sh/ 6 T V N /ǝ/ V aw: W F /d/ W T V /ǝ/ W 5 M I 5 M I G /ǝ/ 6 E D ax: A W 7 /s/ I M 5 F W /t/ /ǝ/ V ay: A B U /s/ /ch/ /ǝ/ V /ǝ/ 6 /ǝ/ Q /dzh/ T /dzh/ 5 /ǝ/ V /t/ O M /ǝ/ /d/ F W /s/ /t/ T 5 /ǝ/ A 6 W 0 /s/ az: Q 7 V /t/ M /s/ T Q 7 3 /ǝ/ V R /ǝ/ Q 7 V /t/ A /ǝ/ Q U A /t/ /ǝ/ W ba: R /ǝ/ N T D /ǝ/ T W /ch/ 7 Q bb: R /ǝ/ N T D /ǝ/ T W /ch/ 7 Q /z/ 2 0 /t/ /ǝ/ /d/ 6 W E M /d/ bc: /s/ T Q M /s/ /t/ W 0 M /t/ /ch/ P A /ǝ/ /t/ bd: B 7 /t/ 5 /ǝ/ V /s/ P 5 I Q /ǝ/ W be: R M U 5 I /ǝ/ W /ǝ/ W bf: G 0 M A A E A V M P A /s/ U V /t/ P Q /ǝ/ V /s/ /t/ W 7 I bg: O W M 6 M V E /ts/ bh: P V /d/ M 6 T D A /ǝ/ 5 bi: A W P V 6 U W M /s/ H /s/ E I /ǝ/ V 2 E M 5 /ǝ/ W bj: 5 7 /s/ /t/ /ǝ/ W I U V /d/ /ǝ/ Q /t/ /ǝ/ V bk: /t/ M /t/ /t/ E M 5 6 M 6 M /s/ /t/ E M /ǝ/ Q /z/

Substitutions:
4 = ct/ (10 occurrences) = /ch/
L = ct/* (2 occurrences) = /dzh/
J = ct (3 occurrences) = /ts/
K = c (37 occurrences) = /t/
C = c* (19 occurrences) = /d/
Z = * (61 occurrences) = /ǝ/
1 = t (37 occurrences) = /s/
8 = t* (6 occurrences) = /z/
X = t/ (2 occurrences) = /sh/
novice
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:52 am    Post subject: 1115

 Suspence wrote: As in "Questionable-Judgement Theodore Stomachbrace"?

Yes.

ay: A B U /s/ /ch/ /ǝ/ V /ǝ/ 6 /ǝ/ Q /dzh/ T /dzh/ 5 /ǝ/ V /t/ O M /ǝ/ /d/ F W /s/ /t/ T 5 /ǝ/ A 6 W 0 /s/
Suspence
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:13 pm    Post subject: 1116

novice wrote:
 Suspence wrote: As in "Questionable-Judgement Theodore Stomachbrace"?

Yes.

ay: A B U /s/ /ch/ /ǝ/ V /ǝ/ 6 /ǝ/ Q /dzh/ T /dzh/ 5 /ǝ/ V /t/ O M /ǝ/ /d/ F W /s/ /t/ T 5 /ǝ/ A 6 W 0 /s/

So, we can convert the letters above to the sounds in that hobo name, then replace them throughout the rest of the words in the puzzle, correct?

I imagine that should get us enough to pin down a few more, then crack it from there.
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:18 pm    Post subject: 1117

OK, added all the phonemes that Theodore revealed:

 Code: aa: /s/ /t/ Y /b/ 7 /l/ /d/ /ǝ/ /r/ /d/ /e/ /n/ 7 /s/ ab: /n/ /ey/ /m/ /w/ 7 /ɵ/ 2 /e/ 7 /l/ /d/ ac: /å/ /l/ /b/ E /r/ /b/ /s/ /t/ P /b/ N Y /k/ /w/ 7 /k/ ad: /s/ /e/ /n/ /ǝ/ /t/ /ǝ/ /r/ /k/ /l/ /i/ /t/ /ǝ/ /s/ /s/ /k/ E 3 /p/ E /s/ /ǝ/ /m/ ae: 2 /å/ /r/ /ǝ/ /s/ /δ/ /ǝ/ /b/ /ǝ/ /r/ /d/ 2 /e/ /d/ /ǝ/ /d/ G Y /l/ af: 2 /i/ /l/ /ø/ /m/ E /n/ /s/ /t/ /ǝ/ /r/ /dzh/ Y /n/ N /ǝ/ /r/ ag: /ɵ/ H /t/ /l/ /ǝ/ /s/ 2 P /r/ /i/ /sh/ Y ah: /s/ /t/ /ø/ /n/ /g/ /ø/ /n/ /dzh/ /å/ /n/ /z/ ai: /s/ /t/ 7 /k/ /l/ /e/ /g/ /z/ /m/ 7 /k/ /å/ 2 E /i/ /å/ aj: /δ/ /i/ /ø/ /n/ P /n/ /s/ /ǝ/ /r/ /d/ /k/ /w/ /e/ /s/ /ch/ /ǝ/ /n/ /ø/ G /t/ 7 /m/ /ǝ/ /ɵ/ /i/ ak: /g/ P /l/ /ǝ/ /n/ /t/ al: /l/ E /n/ /i/ /ch/ /å/ /k/ am: /l/ /å/ 7 /s/ /ch/ E /r/ /ǝ/ /l/ /z/ /l/ /ey/ /i/ /d/ /i/ G 7 D /g/ /ǝ/ /r/ an: /s/ 7 /n/ /s/ 7 P /t/ /i/ /å/ /g/ /ǝ/ /r/ /k/ ao: N /ø/ /m/ N /ø/ /m/ /s/ 7 /n/ /k/ /ey/ /r/ /s/ /n/ /å/ /b/ E /l/ /i/ /t/ /ǝ/ /r/ ap: /r/ E /b/ /ǝ/ /r/ /t/ /δ/ /ǝ/ /w/ /i/ aq: /ɵ/ /ø/ /n/ /d/ /ǝ/ /r/ /t/ /w/ E /i/ /n/ ar: /d/ /ey/ 3 7 /d/ /n/ /å/ /i/ /r/ /z/ as: G /r/ /i/ /p/ /i/ /n/ /ø/ /ts/ /d/ /ø/ /g/ at: /l/ 7 9 /ǝ/ /l/ /m/ P /k/ /s/ /m/ /i/ /t/ /b/ Y /ts/ au: /δ/ /ǝ/ /p/ /ǝ/ /r/ /s/ /ǝ/ /n/ /ǝ/ /l/ /s/ /e/ /k/ /r/ /ǝ/ /t/ /e/ /r/ /i/ /t/ Y /ch/ /e/ /d/ av: /s/ E /l/ /t/ G 7 /sh/ /b/ /ø/ /n/ N /ǝ/ /n/ aw: /r/ /å/ /d/ /r/ /ø/ /n/ /ǝ/ /r/ /m/ /i/ /p/ /m/ /i/ /p/ G /ǝ/ /b/ E D ax: /k/ /r/ 7 /s/ /p/ /i/ /m/ /å/ /r/ /t/ /ǝ/ /n/ ay: /k/ /w/ /e/ /s/ /ch/ /ǝ/ /n/ /ǝ/ /b/ /ǝ/ /l/ /dzh/ /ø/ /dzh/ /m/ /ǝ/ /n/ /t/ /ɵ/ /i/ /ǝ/ /d/ /å/ /r/ /s/ /t/ /ø/ /m/ /ǝ/ /k/ /b/ /r/ /ey/ /s/ az: /l/ 7 /n/ /t/ /i/ /s/ /ø/ /l/ 7 3 /ǝ/ /n/ /δ/ /ǝ/ /l/ 7 /n/ /t/ /k/ /ǝ/ /l/ /e/ /k/ /t/ /ǝ/ /r/ ba: /δ/ /ǝ/ N /ø/ D /ǝ/ /ø/ /r/ /ch/ 7 /l/ bb: /δ/ /ǝ/ N /ø/ D /ǝ/ /ø/ /r/ /ch/ 7 /l/ /z/ 2 /ey/ /t/ /ǝ/ /d/ /b/ /r/ E /i/ /d/ bc: /s/ /ø/ /l/ /i/ /s/ /t/ /r/ /ey/ /i/ /t/ /ch/ P /k/ /ǝ/ /t/ bd: /w/ 7 /t/ /m/ /ǝ/ /n/ /s/ P /m/ /p/ /l/ /ǝ/ /r/ be: /δ/ /i/ /e/ /m/ /p/ /ǝ/ /r/ /ǝ/ /r/ bf: G /ey/ /i/ /k/ /k/ E /k/ /n/ /i/ P /k/ /s/ /e/ /n/ /t/ P /l/ /ǝ/ /n/ /s/ /t/ /r/ 7 /p/ bg: /ɵ/ /r/ /i/ /b/ /i/ /n/ E /ts/ bh: P /n/ /d/ /i/ /b/ /ø/ D /k/ /ǝ/ /m/ bi: /k/ /r/ P /n/ /b/ /e/ /r/ /i/ /s/ H /s/ E /p/ /ǝ/ /n/ 2 E /i/ /m/ /ǝ/ /r/ bj: /m/ 7 /s/ /t/ /ǝ/ /r/ /p/ /e/ /n/ /d/ /ǝ/ /l/ /t/ /ǝ/ /n/ bk: /t/ /i/ /t/ /t/ E /i/ /m/ /b/ /i/ /b/ /i/ /s/ /t/ E /i/ /ǝ/ /l/ /z/

Substitutions:
4 = ct/ (10) = /ch/
L = ct/* (2) = /dzh/
J = ct (3) = /ts/
K = c (37) = /t/
C = c* (19) = /d/
Z = * (61) = /ǝ/
1 = t (37) = /s/
8 = t* (6) = /z/
X = t/ (2) = /sh/
A = cv (24) = /k/
S = cv* (6) = /g/
V = s* (40) = /n/
D = sv* (5) =
5 = s^* (21) = /m/
I = c^ (11) = /p/
6 = c^* (18) = /b/
9 = c- (1) =
W = d* (43) = /r/
N = dv* (7) =
B = dv^* (7) = /w/
Q = h* (30) = /l/
G = t^ (8) =
2 = tv (8) =
3 = t^* (2) =
O = t, (6) = /ɵ/
R = t,* (8) = /δ/
M = < (39) = /i/
T = @ - ccw spiral (21) = /ø/
U = & - pig's tail (15) = /e/
0 = ( (8) = /ay/
F = ) (13) = /å/
E = ~ (19) =
Y = > (7) =
P = @' - cw spiral (12) =
H = &' - pig's tail, inverted (2) =
7 = } (24) =
Suspence
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 Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:21 pm    Post subject: 1118 aa: Stewbuilder Dennis ab: Name Withheld ac: Ol' Barb Stab-You-Quick ad: Senator Cletus Scoffpossum Gotta run out for a bit...so I can't finish this off. I'll pick it up later if needed._________________I hate people who try to write interesting things in their signature.Last edited by Suspence on Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:37 pm; edited 1 time in total
novice
No harm. Pun intended!

Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:34 pm    Post subject: 1119

Complete decoding... Bear over with my faux phonetics...

 Code: aa: /s/ /t/ /u/ /b/ /i/ /l/ /d/ /ǝ/ /r/ /d/ /e/ /n/ /i/ /s/ ab: /n/ /ey/ /m/ /w/ /i/ /ɵ/ /h/ /e/ /i/ /l/ /d/ ac: /å/ /l/ /b/ /a/ /r/ /b/ /s/ /t/ /æ/ /b/ /j/ /u/ /k/ /w/ /i/ /k/ ad: /s/ /e/ /n/ /ǝ/ /t/ /ǝ/ /r/ /k/ /l/ /i:/ /t/ /ǝ/ /s/ /s/ /k/ /a/ /f:/ /p/ /a/ /s/ /ǝ/ /m/ ae: /h/ /å/ /r/ /ǝ/ /s/ /δ/ /ǝ/ /b/ /ǝ/ /r/ /d/ /h/ /e/ /d/ /ǝ/ /d/ /f/ /u/ /l/ af: /h/ /i:/ /l/ /ø/ /m/ /a/ /n/ /s/ /t/ /ǝ/ /r/ /dzh/ /u/ /n/ /j/ /ǝ/ /r/ ag: /ɵ/ /å:/ /t/ /l/ /ǝ/ /s/ /h/ /æ/ /r/ /i:/ /sh/ /u/ ah: /s/ /t/ /ø/ /n/ /g/ /ø/ /n/ /dzh/ /å/ /n/ /z/ ai: /s/ /t/ /i/ /k/ /l/ /e/ /g/ /z/ /m/ /i/ /k/ /å/ /h/ /a/ /i:/ /å/ aj: /δ/ /i:/ /ø/ /n/ /æ/ /n/ /s/ /ǝ/ /r/ /d/ /k/ /w/ /e/ /s/ /ch/ /ǝ/ /n/ /ø/ /f/ /t/ /i/ /m/ /ǝ/ /ɵ/ /i:/ ak: /g/ /æ/ /l/ /ǝ/ /n/ /t/ al: /l/ /a/ /n/ /i:/ /ch/ /å/ /k/ am: /l/ /å/ /i/ /s/ /ch/ /a/ /r/ /ǝ/ /l/ /z/ /l/ /ey/ /i:/ /d/ /i:/ /f/ /i/ /ng/ /g/ /ǝ/ /r/ an: /s/ /i/ /n/ /s/ /i/ /æ/ /t/ /i:/ /å/ /g/ /ǝ/ /r/ /k/ ao: /j/ /ø/ /m/ /j/ /ø/ /m/ /s/ /i/ /n/ /k/ /ey/ /r/ /s/ /n/ /å/ /b/ /a/ /l/ /i:/ /t/ /ǝ/ /r/ ap: /r/ /a/ /b/ /ǝ/ /r/ /t/ /δ/ /ǝ/ /w/ /i:/ aq: /ɵ/ /ø/ /n/ /d/ /ǝ/ /r/ /t/ /w/ /a/ /i:/ /n/ ar: /d/ /ey/ /f:/ /i/ /d/ /n/ /å/ /i:/ /r/ /z/ as: /f/ /r/ /i:/ /p/ /i:/ /n/ /ø/ /ts/ /d/ /ø/ /g/ at: /l/ /i/ /dl/ /ǝ/ /l/ /m/ /æ/ /k/ /s/ /m/ /i:/ /t/ /b/ /u/ /ts/ au: /δ/ /ǝ/ /p/ /ǝ/ /r/ /s/ /ǝ/ /n/ /ǝ/ /l/ /s/ /e/ /k/ /r/ /ǝ/ /t/ /e/ /r/ /i:/ /t/ /u/ /ch/ /e/ /d/ av: /s/ /a/ /l/ /t/ /f/ /i/ /sh/ /b/ /ø/ /n/ /j/ /ǝ/ /n/ aw: /r/ /å/ /d/ /r/ /ø/ /n/ /ǝ/ /r/ /m/ /i:/ /p/ /m/ /i:/ /p/ /f/ /ǝ/ /b/ /a/ /ng/ ax: /k/ /r/ /i/ /s/ /p/ /i:/ /m/ /å/ /r/ /t/ /ǝ/ /n/ ay: /k/ /w/ /e/ /s/ /ch/ /ǝ/ /n/ /ǝ/ /b/ /ǝ/ /l/ /dzh/ /ø/ /dzh/ /m/ /ǝ/ /n/ /t/ /ɵ/ /i:/ /ǝ/ /d/ /å/ /r/ /s/ /t/ /ø/ /m/ /ǝ/ /k/ /b/ /r/ /ey/ /s/ az: /l/ /i/ /n/ /t/ /i:/ /s/ /ø/ /l/ /i/ /f:/ /ǝ/ /n/ /δ/ /ǝ/ /l/ /i/ /n/ /t/ /k/ /ǝ/ /l/ /e/ /k/ /t/ /ǝ/ /r/ ba: /δ/ /ǝ/ /j/ /ø/ /ng/ /ǝ/ /ø/ /r/ /ch/ /i/ /l/ bb: /δ/ /ǝ/ /j/ /ø/ /ng/ /ǝ/ /ø/ /r/ /ch/ /i/ /l/ /z/ /h/ /ey/ /t/ /ǝ/ /d/ /b/ /r/ /a/ /i:/ /d/ bc: /s/ /ø/ /l/ /i:/ /s/ /t/ /r/ /ey/ /i:/ /t/ /ch/ /æ/ /k/ /ǝ/ /t/ bd: /w/ /i/ /t/ /m/ /ǝ/ /n/ /s/ /æ/ /m/ /p/ /l/ /ǝ/ /r/ be: /δ/ /i:/ /e/ /m/ /p/ /ǝ/ /r/ /ǝ/ /r/ bf: /f/ /ey/ /i:/ /k/ /k/ /a/ /k/ /n/ /i:/ /æ/ /k/ /s/ /e/ /n/ /t/ /æ/ /l/ /ǝ/ /n/ /s/ /t/ /r/ /i/ /p/ bg: /ɵ/ /r/ /i:/ /b/ /i:/ /n/ /a/ /ts/ bh: /æ/ /n/ /d/ /i:/ /b/ /ø/ /ng/ /k/ /ǝ/ /m/ bi: /k/ /r/ /æ/ /n/ /b/ /e/ /r/ /i:/ /s/ /å:/ /s/ /a/ /p/ /ǝ/ /n/ /h/ /a/ /i:/ /m/ /ǝ/ /r/ bj: /m/ /i/ /s/ /t/ /ǝ/ /r/ /p/ /e/ /n/ /d/ /ǝ/ /l/ /t/ /ǝ/ /n/ bk: /t/ /i:/ /t/ /t/ /a/ /i:/ /m/ /b/ /i:/ /b/ /i:/ /s/ /t/ /a/ /i:/ /ǝ/ /l/ /z/

Substitutions:
4 = ct/ (10) = /ch/
L = ct/* (2) = /dzh/
J = ct (3) = /ts/
K = c (37) = /t/
C = c* (19) = /d/
Z = * (61) = /ǝ/
1 = t (37) = /s/
8 = t* (6) = /z/
X = t/ (2) = /sh/
A = cv (24) = /k/
S = cv* (6) = /g/
V = s* (40) = /n/
D = sv* (5) = /ng/
5 = s^* (21) = /m/
I = c^ (11) = /p/
6 = c^* (18) = /b/
9 = c- (1) = /dl/
W = d* (43) = /r/
N = dv* (7) = /j/
B = dv^* (7) = /w/
Q = h* (30) = /l/
G = t^ (8) = /f/
2 = tv (8) = /h/
3 = t^* (3) = /f:/
O = t, (6) = /ɵ/
R = t,* (8) = /δ/
M = < (39) = /i:/
T = @ - ccw spiral (21) = /ø/
U = & - pig's tail (15) = /e/
0 = ( (8) = /ay/
F = ) (13) = /å/
E = ~ (19) = /a/
Y = > (7) = /u/
P = @' - cw spiral (12) = /æ/
H = &' - pig's tail, inverted (2) = /å:/
7 = } (25) = /i/
novice
No harm. Pun intended!

 Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:52 pm    Post subject: 1120 Translations: aa: #1: Stewbuilder Dennis ab: #17: Name Withheld ac: #29: Ol' Barb Stab-You-Quick ad: #34: Senator Cletus Scoffpossum ae: #35: Horus, the Bird-Headed Fool af: #54: Gila Monster Jr. ag: #59: Thoughtless Harry Hsu ah: #77: Stun Gun Jones ai: #82: Stick-Legs McOhio aj: #83: The Unanswered Question of Timothy ak: #87: Gallant al: #97: Lonnie Choke am: #112: Lois "Charles" Ladyfinger an: #120: Cincinnati O'Gurk ao: #134: Yum-Yum Sinclair Snowballeater ap: #142: Robert the Wee aq: #157: Thundertwine ar: #161: David No-Ears as: #168: Free-Peanuts Doug at: #181: Lil' Max Meatboots au: #182: The Personal Secretary to Jed av: #196: Saltfish Bunyan aw: #215: Roadrunner "Meep Meep" Fabong ax: #221: Crispy Morton ay: #239: Questionable-Judgement Theodore Stomachbrace az: #248: Linty Sullivan, the Lint-Collector ba: #252: The Young Churchill bb: #253: The Young Churchill's Hated Bride bc: #278: Sully Straightjacket bd: #280: Whitman Sampler be: #292: The Emperor bf: #307: Fake Cockney Accent Alan Strippe bg: #314: Three-Bean Otz bh: #330: Andy Bunkum bi: #345: Cranberry Sauce Oppenheimer bj: #364: Mr. Pendleton bk: #384: Teattime BB Stiles My guess is we convert the jumps in numbers to letters of the alphabet.
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