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Mystery Hunt 2012 Recast: COMPLETE!!!
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 5:35 pm    Post subject: 681 Reply with quote

Should we move along to the next puzzle at this point?
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 5:45 pm    Post subject: 682 Reply with quote

We certainly can, but how about a bigger hint? Here's what you said in the post I was referring to:

Quote:

Macho Man = Randall Mario Poffo. Blue letters are WRU, so R=W, M=R, P=U.

Rick Rude = Richard Erwin Rood. Blue letters are AN?, so R=A, N=E.


What if I said that this was exactly correct, but since you were looking for a different kind of relationship, you ignored a simpler one?
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 6:00 pm    Post subject: 683 Reply with quote

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What if I said that this was exactly correct, but since you were looking for a different kind of relationship, you ignored a simpler one?

I'd be confused and unable to figure out which relationship I'm ignoring Razz

Let me give it some thought. Or maybe gftt will make something of it.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 10:25 pm    Post subject: 684 Reply with quote

Suspence wrote:
LordKinbote wrote:
What if I said that this was exactly correct, but since you were looking for a different kind of relationship, you ignored a simpler one?

I'd be confused and unable to figure out which relationship I'm ignoring Razz

Let me give it some thought. Or maybe gftt will make something of it.


Not likely. I never even understood what would happen if there was a cipher code like you were initially suspecting.

Gotta admit this puzzle doesn't seem to rate very high on the elegance meter...
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 10:40 pm    Post subject: 685 Reply with quote

I confess that this was one of the first ones on my "look the answer up to see what the hell they were thinking" list this time around.

And I'm still not at all sure how to make the "aha" leap, other than through sheer weight of numbers (i.e. lots of people looking at it until someone says "well, I guess we could try this...") I'm fairly sure we didn't.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 10:49 pm    Post subject: 686 Reply with quote

Scurra wrote:
I confess that this was one of the first ones on my "look the answer up to see what the hell they were thinking" list this time around.

And I'm still not at all sure how to make the "aha" leap, other than through sheer weight of numbers (i.e. lots of people looking at it until someone says "well, I guess we could try this...")


It's comments like that that might cause people to give up prematurely, which is why I'm not wild about pre-solve commentary. I'm not really defending the puzzle (I believe this was the only puzzle from its two authors, and it was definitely a "commissioned" puzzle for a very specific answer) but I do think it's very solvable...partially because it WAS solved, several times, and partially because Suspence is basically there.

It's not a substitution cipher.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 10:56 pm    Post subject: 687 Reply with quote

gftt* wrote:
I never even understood what would happen if there was a cipher code like you were initially suspecting.


I was thinking it might end up something like this:
Code:

Blue Letters:  ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
Real Initials: KEYWORDABCFGHIJLMNPQSTUVXZ


Where KEYWORD would be the solution, but I was expecting that the initials would then stay consistent, so that everyone with a first name starting with R would have a first blue letter of F, for example.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 10:59 pm    Post subject: 688 Reply with quote

LordKinbote wrote:
It's comments like that that might cause people to give up prematurely,

I tried to give up prematurely, you wouldn't have it Razz

LordKinbote wrote:
...Suspence is basically there.

Well that is just frustrating.

I'm reading Imagine : How Creativity Works by Jonah Lehrer right now. Apparently the answer should come to me if I take a hot shower and daydream a bit. I'll try that..
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 11:06 pm    Post subject: 689 Reply with quote

Suspence wrote:
LordKinbote wrote:
It's comments like that that might cause people to give up prematurely,

I tried to give up prematurely, you wouldn't have it Razz


If you knew how close you were, you'd thank me. Revenge most foul! Revenge most foul! Revenge most foul!

Seriously, the key lies in the part of what you wrote that I quoted. Substitution cipher is more complicated than what is actually going on.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 11:23 pm    Post subject: 690 Reply with quote

Just had a (possible) flash of inspiration. I haven't tested yet, but perhaps we replace the blue letters in the crossword with the real initials, then that allows us to read a message?

No time at the moment, but it might be a start.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 11:41 pm    Post subject: 691 Reply with quote

LordKinbote wrote:
It's comments like that that might cause people to give up prematurely, which is why I'm not wild about pre-solve commentary.
Neither am I. I shouldn't have said what I said, and I'm sorry for jumping the gun. And yes, clearly it was solved several times during the hunt (and presumably during testing as well)
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 1:01 am    Post subject: 692 Reply with quote

I tried populating the grid a bit, but didn't see anything promising.

Here are the real initials sorted by clue, in case it helps somehow:

1D e
2A d
2D m
3A -
4D w
5D c
6D m
7A r
8A l
9D m
10A a
11A c
12A s
13D r
14D c
15A w
16A m
17D e
18D p
19D p
20A p
21D r
22A s
23D r
24D s
25A w
26A h
27A l
27D -
28D f
29D m
30A m
31A j
32A m
33D m
34D r
35A s
36A s
37D n
38D e
39A k
40A b
41D b
42A j
43D a
44D k
45A r
46A -
47D h
48A w
49A m
50D o
51A r
52D -
53D l
54D r
55A d
55D t
56D r
57A f
58A a
59A r
60A w
61D r
62D w
63D m
64D h
65A h
66A r
67D h
68A r
69D t
70A o
71D s
72A s
73A r
74A s
75A b
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 5:47 am    Post subject: 693 Reply with quote

Maybe use the position of the blue squares as indices into the real name?
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 11:58 am    Post subject: 694 Reply with quote

novice wrote:
Maybe use the position of the blue squares as indices into the real name?


That wouldn't require solving the crossword. Have to use the blue letters somehow.
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 12:04 pm    Post subject: 695 Reply with quote

Okay, let's try this: I wonder if you're not seeing the pattern because, in Suspence's post in which he tried to work out letter correspondence, he wrote one of those correspondences backwards.
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 12:14 pm    Post subject: 696 Reply with quote

Maybe just a ROT? And whatever the ROT number is becomes an index?

Just the ones we had all 3 blue letters on:

KEVIN SULLIVAN - Kevin Francis Sullivan - KFS - OJW - rot-4

MR PERFECT CURT HENNIG - Curtis Michael Hennig - YID - rot-22

RANDY MACHO MAN SAVAGE - Randall Mario Poffo - RMP - WRU - rot-5

DOINK THE CLOWN - Matthew Wade Osborne - MWO- AKC - rot-14

UNDERTAKER - Mark William Calaway - MWC - RBH - rot-5

BAM BAM BIGELOW - Scott Charles Bigelow - SCB - EON - rot-12

RAZOR RAMON - Scott Oliver Hall - SOH - WSL - rot-4

I had to correct some of my answers for Bam Bam Bigelow and Razor Ramon to make it work. Looks like FAVELA was correct rather than BARRIO, and it looks like WORN instead of THIN.

No time to finish it off at the moment, maybe later today...
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 1:57 pm    Post subject: 697 Reply with quote

D - 4 - KEVIN SULLIVAN - Kevin Francis Sullivan - OJW
I - 9 - RAVISHING RICK RUDE - Richard Erwin Rood - AN?
V - 22 - MR PERFECT CURT HENNIG - Curtis Michael Hennig - YID
O - 15 - DUSTIN RHODES - Dustin Patrick Runnels - S?G
Y or R - 25 or 18 - MIKE ROTUNDA - Lawrence Michael Rotunda - K?J
C - 3 - BRUTUS THE BARBER BEEFCAKE - Edward Harrison Leslie - ?KO
E - 5 - RANDY MACHO MAN SAVAGE - Randall Mario Poffo - WRU
D - 4 - DR. DEATH STEVE WILLIAMS - Steven Williams (2 blue letters) - ?-A
L - 12 - HONKY TONK MAN - Roy Wayne Ferris - D??
A or I - 1 or 9 - SERGEANT SLAUGHTER - Robert Remus (2 blue letters) - S-A
N - 14 - DOINK THE CLOWN - Matthew Wade Osborne (among others) - AKC
D - 4 - YOKOZUNA - Rodney Agatupu Anoaʻi - V?E
A - 1 - DIESEL - Kevin Scott Nash - ?SO
M - 13 - BIG BOSS MAN - Ray Walter Traylor - E?G
A - 1 - RICKY THE DRAGON STEAMBOAT - Richard Henry Blood - ??C
R - 18 - ANDRE THE GIANT - André René Roussimoff - ??J
I - 9 - LEX LUGER - Lawrence Wendell Pfohl - ??Y
E - 5 - UNDERTAKER - Mark William Calaway - RBH
C - 3 - THE MILLION DOLLAR MAN TED DIBIASE - Theodore Marvin DiBiase - ??G
L - 12 - BAM BAM BIGELOW - Scott Charles Bigelow - RON
A - 1 - SID VICIOUS - Sidney Raymond Eudy - T??
R - 18 - STING - Steven James Borden - K??
I - 9 - MICHAEL PS HAYES - Michael Seitz (only 2 blue letters) - V-?
D - 4 - RAZOR RAMON - Scott Oliver Hall - TSL
G or A - 7 or 1 - JOHNNY B. BADD - Marcus Merowitz - T-N
? - ROAD WARRIOR HAWK - Michael James Hegstrand - ???

DIVORCED LINDA MARIE CLARIDGE

Call in HULK HOGAN


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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 2:11 pm    Post subject: 698 Reply with quote

Shoulda tried that when I first noted his conspicuous absence.

Nicely done, I had just gotten there myself, but you beat me to it.
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 2:16 pm    Post subject: 699 Reply with quote

I think what held me back from realizing the ROT idea was that for all of the ones where it would have been more evident (i.e. where one person had the same letter in their initials), we had the answers wrong or missing.

Yokozuna, Sergeant Slaughter, Johnny B. Badd, Rick Rude...If I had solved enough of the clues correctly to see something like RAA = VEE, then I'm pretty sure I would've gotten there much sooner.
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 5:05 pm    Post subject: 700 Reply with quote

HULK HOGAN is...incorrect.
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 5:17 pm    Post subject: 701 Reply with quote

Call in TERRY GENE BOLLEA

Call in TERRY BOLLEA

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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 6:35 pm    Post subject: 702 Reply with quote

Suspence wrote:
Call in TERRY GENE BOLLEA

Call in TERRY BOLLEA


TERRY GENE BOLLEA is correct (this round, by far, has the most contrived answers. Sorry!)

Next up: Hang Ten by Patrick Blindauer
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 6:54 pm    Post subject: 703 Reply with quote

My first thought from Hang Ten was surfing.

If you turn AL*A** *A* LI*E into ALWAYS SAY LIKE, it's a "surfer" stereotype, and uses WYSK. Combine WYSK and ARD from the list below -which all appear to be suffixes - to get SKYWARD

I'm running into trouble with my surfer stereotype idea, though. The 7th one, which looks to be OLD ??IL? LITERATURE. Can't see a way that that would tie in to surfing.
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 6:59 pm    Post subject: 704 Reply with quote

1)
2)
3)
4)
5)
6)Old guild literature?
7)
8)
9)
10)
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 7:10 pm    Post subject: 705 Reply with quote

1) AL*A** *A* LI*E = ALWAYS SAY LIVE - NEVER SAY DIE
2) *I* *I*L *L*E = BIG GIRL BLUE - LITTE BOY BLUE
3) E*** *N*E* *I**I**L* = EGGS UNDER DIFFICULT - EGGS OVER EASY
4) *AL*E *O *EA** = FALSE TO DEATH - TRUE TO LIFE
5) *I*E **E *I*
6) *O* *O** *A**
7) OL* **IL* LI*E*A***E = OLD CHILD LITERATURE - YOUNG ADULT LITERATURE
8) O** **E **I*A*E E*E = OUT THE PRIVATE EYE - IN THE PUBLIC EYE
9) *A** *OO* L**E = WARM FOOT LUKE - COOL HAND LUKE
10) **I*E AN* *ALE
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 7:26 pm    Post subject: 706 Reply with quote

10) **I*E AN* *ALE = WHITE AND PALE - BLACK AND TAN

No idea where this is going, though...
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 7:39 pm    Post subject: 707 Reply with quote

Me either. There's not much to work with on the last 2. Seems like we need to figure out what to do next so we can back-solve those.
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 7:52 pm    Post subject: 708 Reply with quote

1) AL*A** *A* LI*E = ALWAYS SAY LIVE - NEVER SAY DIE
2) *I* *I*L *L*E = BIG GIRL BLUE - LITTE BOY BLUE
3) E*** *N*E* *I**I**L* = EGGS UNDER DIFFICULT - EGGS OVER EASY
4) *AL*E *O *EA** = FALSE TO DEATH - TRUE TO LIFE
5) *I*E **E *I* = GIVE THE SIT - TAKE THE STAND
6) *O* *O** *A**
7) OL* **IL* LI*E*A***E = OLD CHILD LITERATURE - YOUNG ADULT LITERATURE
8) O** **E **I*A*E E*E = OUT THE PRIVATE EYE - IN THE PUBLIC EYE
9) *A** *OO* L**E = WARM FOOT LUKE - COOL HAND LUKE
10) **I*E AN* *ALE = WHITE AND PALE - BLACK AND TAN

The last of the new words in each phrase go with the suffixes.

TANDEM, HANDSOME, PUBLICATION, ADULTERY, STANDARD, LIFEBOAT, EASYGOING, BLUEISH, DIESIS?

missing -WARE.
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 8:05 pm    Post subject: 709 Reply with quote

HOT SOFT CASH - COLD HARD CASH - HARDWARE
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 8:45 pm    Post subject: 710 Reply with quote

Reordering according to the suffix list:
TAKE THE STAND(ard)
IN THE PUBLIC(ation) EYE
NEVER SAY DIE(sis)
YOUNG ADULT(ery) LITERATURE
COOL HAND(some) LUKE
COLD HARD(ware) CASH
LITTLE BOY(ish) BLUE
BLACK AND TAN(dem)
TRUE TO LIFE(boat)
EGGS OVER EASY(going)

First letters are tiny.cc/lbte OR tiny.cc/lbto depending on whether we want the first letters of the phrase or the first letters of the other antonym. I'll go with the latter since it points to the Sherlock Holmes wiki page.

CALL IN SHERLOCK HOLMES
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 8:49 pm    Post subject: 711 Reply with quote

gftt* wrote:
Reordering according to the suffix list:
TAKE THE STAND(ard)
IN THE PUBLIC(ation) EYE
NEVER SAY DIE(sis)
YOUNG ADULT(ery) LITERATURE
COOL HAND(some) LUKE
COLD HARD(ware) CASH
LITTLE BOY(ish) BLUE
BLACK AND TAN(dem)
TRUE TO LIFE(boat)
EGGS OVER EASY(going)

First letters are tiny.cc/lbte OR tiny.cc/lbto depending on whether we want the first letters of the phrase or the first letters of the other antonym. I'll go with the latter since it points to the Sherlock Holmes wiki page.

CALL IN SHERLOCK HOLMES


To quote Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade:

"You chose...poorly."
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 8:56 pm    Post subject: 712 Reply with quote

LordKinbote wrote:


To quote Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade:

"You chose...poorly."


OK.... call in CHRIST CHURCH REGATTA???
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 9:01 pm    Post subject: 713 Reply with quote

gftt* wrote:
LordKinbote wrote:


To quote Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade:

"You chose...poorly."


OK.... call in CHRIST CHURCH REGATTA???


Correct! Did I mention some of these answers are contrived? Because they totally, totally are!

Next: Keeping Records by Kai Huang

And I'm just going to jump right in at the beginning and say somewhere along the line (but not at the beginning), this puzzle takes a turn towards the MIT-specific. I still think it should be pretty solvable, but we'll see how it goes. I think most of what you need is Google-able.

Now ignore what I wrote for a while, because you don't need to know anything about MIT for a while as you solve.
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 9:17 pm    Post subject: 714 Reply with quote

OK, I don't know what the heck is going on with that puzzle, but I do know that we just got an answer with initials CCR in a round entitled Into the Woodstock. Revenge most foul!
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 9:41 pm    Post subject: 715 Reply with quote

Good catch, gftt.

Into the Woodstock (in no particular order)
KINGS HIGHWAY BRIDGE - Keef Hartley Band
REST STOP - Ravi Shankar
JACK CARDIFF - Joe Cocker
GO DUTCH - Grateful Dead
RUSH HOUR - Richie Havens
BAKING SODA - Bert Sommer
TERRY GENE BOLLEA - The Grease Band
CHRIST CHURCH REGATTA - Credence Clearwater Revival
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 3:50 am    Post subject: 716 Reply with quote

The sum of the numbers equals the length of the string of letters, if that helps. Assuming I counted correctly, of course...
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 9:47 am    Post subject: 717 Reply with quote

Gah! I miss an evening and two more puzzles go down before I even see them. Then again, that's what the Hunt experience is like as well. Revenge most foul!

JHBXRJQDPKYGJBSHBGIGCHUMGOWHDHUMGIBJHLORKPCGWXORGJ
GURDHVPXUPSYTUVHDGJHXAZBTPVFXXCQGMMNLICOJJOKSIXZMCBB
HBOCEANENGNGCIGOYPTEOLDCOURSELPQDFZEOEBJASKFIBHIELDTI
UGNUMBERTNDHIZWAWKEJHZQIAJZFXFU

For something apparently in code, it seems odd to find some plaintext in there.
OCEAN OLD/COURSE NUMBER.
Interestingly, the lengths of the second two entries here seem to match the numbers in the first bit of the "instructions" (8mc 9mce 6sc), so maybe OCEAN is OCEANENG?

(edit: Having now googled this phrase to see if it meant anything, I was amused to find that the solution to this puzzle was the first hit - I guess that was fairly inevitable. And unfortunately the extract it showed gave away the next bit.)
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 10:24 am    Post subject: 718 Reply with quote

So, according to: http://alumweb.mit.edu/clubs/sandiego/contents_courses.shtml
the course code for Ocean Engineering at MIT is 13.

So the first thing to try (even if I hadn't inadvertently had the hint) is to ROT-13 the letters. Which gives:

WUOKEWDQCXLTWOFUOTVTPUHZTBJUQUHZTVOWUYBEXCPTJ
KBETWTHEQUICKHCFLGHIUQTWUKNMOGCISKKPDTZZAYVPBW
WBXFVKMZPOOUOBPRNARATATPVTBLCGRBYQPBHEFRYCDQSM
RBROWNFXSVOUVRYQGVHTAHZOREGAQUVMJNJXRWUMDVNWMSKSH

and the next instruction is "8mk 7mke"

Searching the new code, and assuming that the numbers are the plaintext string lengths, I can find THE QUICK and BROWN FX.

(edit: I should note that I first found MR BROWN but soon realised that it was almost certainly meant to be FX,..)
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 11:21 am    Post subject: 719 Reply with quote

Using this as a cipher key, THE QUICK BROWN FX ADGJLMPSVYZ, generates

LEKHCLQDGOTALKNEKAXAVEBZAISEDEBZAXKLEYICOGVAS
HICALABCDEFGHBGNTRBFEDALEHMUKRGFWHHVQAZZPYXVIL
LIONXHUZVKKEKIVJMPJPAPAVXAITGRJIYDVIBCNJYGQDWU
JIJKLMNOWXKEXJYDRXBAPBZKJCRPDEXUSMSOJLEUQXMLUWHWB

However, it's clear from the 15sk 10ske that we are looking for 15 and 10 letter plaintext blocks, and there's no sign of them.

But then I realised that it was the whole sentence that was the cipher key, not just the first bit. THEQUICKBROWNFXJMPSVLAZYDG (i.e. The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.)

LEKHCLYDGOUALKNEKATAREBWAIPEDEBWATKLEXICOGRAP
HICALABCDEFGHBGNUZBFEDALEHMQKZGFSHHRYAWWVXTRIL
LIONTHQWRKKEKIRJMVJVAVARTAIUGZJIXDRIBCNJXGYDSQ
JIJKLMNOSTKETJXDZTBAVBWKJCZVDETQPMPOJLEQYTMLQSHSB

And in here I can see LEXICOGRAPHICAL and, after a bit of a hunt, TRILLIONTH. I am not sure what this means for encoding, but it worries me just a little (anything that says "trillion" is scary!)

edit: I always thought that this related to the writing of dictionaries, but Wiki tells me that "lexicographical" is specifically used for the alphabetical ordering of letters. Hmmm...
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 12:11 pm    Post subject: 720 Reply with quote

Shift letters alphabetically a trillion times?
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