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Pablo
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:21 pm    Post subject: 1 Reply with quote

As my wife and I were transitioning to our new life in Washington, we didn't play Scrabble for several months. We are now happily settled here and have resumed our nightly games. In fact, we have played 11 games. If you remember, I previously bemoaned the fact that she consistently drew a statistically ridiculous percentage of the blank tiles. Starting fresh, I decided to keep track once again.

In our first 11 games, of 22 blanks, I have drawn 4, none in the last 4 games. We are drawing out of the bag, sight unseen, with frequent shaking and mixing.

WTF?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:05 pm    Post subject: 2 Reply with quote

Maybe she's secretly running her thumb over the faces of the tiles as she collects them? That's what I'd do Felicitous
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:04 pm    Post subject: 3 Reply with quote

Gomez* wrote:
Maybe she's secretly running her thumb over the faces of the tiles as she collects them? That's what I'd do Felicitous

Quoted for truth

I win scrabble all the time, but I haven't played an honest game in my life. Dispirited
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Pablo
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:10 pm    Post subject: 4 Reply with quote

Gomez* wrote:
Maybe she's secretly running her thumb over the faces of the tiles as she collects them? That's what I'd do Felicitous


Not what she'd do.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:29 pm    Post subject: 5 Reply with quote

Have you counted how many total tiles you each draw?
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Jack_Ian
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:31 pm    Post subject: 6 Reply with quote

You need to keep track of total tiles chosen too.
You might be one of those surgical players deftly placing 2 tiles to maximum effect while she keeps going for the big words.
If she pulls out twice as many as you then she'll get twice as many blanks.
Also, she might swap tiles more often.

Incidentally, I'd recommend WordsByPost on the iPhone. I even paid for WWF to remove ads, but I never play it now. WordsByPost has a much cleaner interface. Though the chat interface needs some improvement.

If anyone's interested, my username there is jackeen.
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Pablo
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:17 pm    Post subject: 7 Reply with quote

I would guess that I pull more tiles than she does. I consistently make longer words and I don't hesitate to trade.

I'm 100% confident that the distribution of tiles is not behind the anomaly.
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Zag
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:54 pm    Post subject: 8 Reply with quote

She's just luckier than you. Actually, I should say that you are equally as lucky -- you spent your luck in your acquisition of a mate, whereas she got a refund from that and has lots more to spend elsewhere. Extreme Delectation
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MatthewV
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:11 pm    Post subject: 9 Reply with quote

I starting playing allowing the Q to a Q/Qu tile. Still 10 points if you use the invisible U. It makes the Q much much better because it removes the "Gah! I have the Q and no U to play it" from the game. But it really doesn't make the Q an unfair advantage.
But QI isn't on my list of allowed 2-letter words (kept visible for all players).

So if you are playing against Gomez or Deception, line up all the tiles. Each player starts at one end. You could also put a marker at the 50th tile mark to see who drew more tiles Felicitous
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:39 pm    Post subject: 10 Reply with quote

Pablo wrote:
Gomez* wrote:
Maybe she's secretly running her thumb over the faces of the tiles as she collects them? That's what I'd do Felicitous


Not what she'd do.


Maybe she's doing it subconsciously.
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Thok
Oh, foe, the cursed teeth!



PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:30 pm    Post subject: 11 Reply with quote

[joke]She's subconsciously trying to tell you she's cheating on you in real life by cheating at scrabble?[/joke]
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Pablo
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:58 pm    Post subject: 12 Reply with quote

Maybe you guys are subconsciously trying to tell me that you're clueless to explain the phenomenon of the Scrabble blanks?

How about THAT? Cannibal
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:37 am    Post subject: 13 Reply with quote

Pablo wrote:
Maybe you guys are subconsciously trying to tell me that you're clueless to explain the phenomenon of the Scrabble blanks?

How about THAT? Cannibal


Okay, lets go another step deeper.

What are blanks most commonly used for?

Bailing yourself out when you having nothing to play

So god feels sorry for her for some reason and is bailing her out constantly to make up for whatever misfortune she has had.

It would have had to take place before you started playing scrabble again.

[sarcasm]It's probably the marriage[/sarcasm]
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:47 am    Post subject: 14 Reply with quote

I thought blanks were to make playing all seven letters much easier.

I think that Deception is trying to tell us that he might be sleeping with your wife.
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Zag
Unintentionally offensive old coot



PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:53 am    Post subject: 15 Reply with quote

Deception wrote:

What are blanks most commonly used for?

Bailing yourself out when you having nothing to play

It's funny. I would have picked you as a serious Scrabble player. Blanks are used to extend an existing word on the table, so you score it and the word you are placing. Of course, if you can extend NIGHT into KNIGHT while placing QUACKER, that's much better, but it's still worth it with a blank.

Blanks, of course, are also supposed to give you a lot more options for making a bingo (all 7 tiles placed). If you're using it just because you have nothing else to do, and not getting at least 25 or more points out of it, then you are wasting it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:03 am    Post subject: 16 Reply with quote

People would play better if the S was worth -5 and the black was -10 Felicitous
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Jack_Ian
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:18 am    Post subject: 17 Reply with quote

Racist!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:21 am    Post subject: 18 Reply with quote

Thok wrote:
[joke]She's subconsciously trying to tell you she's cheating on you in real life by cheating at scrabble?[/joke]


Wait, she's secretly rubbing her thumb over what now?
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Jack_Ian
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:23 am    Post subject: 19 Reply with quote

I'm always happy to get Q, X, Z or J. I find them easier to get rid of than a C.
But then I would accept ZA, XI, XU, QI, SUQ, QAT & JO.
As for blanks, I would generally hold on to them until I'm stuck or I need it to reach a good bonus square or of course to help get a bingo.
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MatthewV
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:34 am    Post subject: 20 Reply with quote

http://www.donaldsauter.com/national-scrabble-championship-2009.htm

There is a great disparity between a player who plays frequently and has memorized the "stupid" words. The QZJX almost are always used to score lots of points in very uncreative ways. The F and H are also used in this manner. But is playing AX/OX/XI/EX to milk 20-50 points by playing one letter really that fun? Did it really involve any skill?

So the first trouble is players really must memorize a list of two-letter words. Without them, the number of possible plays reduces dramatically. But why should a casual player have to memorize AR, OE, OM, LI, UT, TI etc are legal? Hence the list.
On top of that, it appears that is purposely bloated just to allow more two-letter combinations.
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Deception
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:50 am    Post subject: 21 Reply with quote

I don't exclusively use blanks to +1/+2 existing words, but the joke wouldn't have worked otherwise.

Also, serious Scrabble player? I'm good at strategically laying out the board, but my vocabulary isn't strong enough to earn the title of a great Scrabble player. (whoever it was that had 'quizling' in their name-title: thank you) I don't know some of the obscure words which are really good in scrabble, and I don't think I know all of the 2-letter words (which I try to stay away from anyway).

Also I could never play a timed game of Scrabble, it takes me too long to analyze the whole board and calculate all possible moves, weigh pros/cons etc. I am decent at chess, but my Achilles Heel is not analyzing the board quick enough.

I also welcome the big-point letters; but if you get more than 1 in a single hand it can get unfortunate (although once I had Q and Z and laid down quizling on a triple letter in the corner, thanks again).
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Jack_Ian
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:54 am    Post subject: 22 Reply with quote

I find the fun in controlling the board. Forcing your opponent into placing a vowel beside a TL square, for example.
For me the words are just the tools. The board is the game.
Of course, a perfect tactical game could then be blown out of the water by SQUELCH and 140+ points on a last move (as just happened to me yesterday), but that's the luck of the game.
Once you play enough games online you play to expect those "weird" words.
I rarely place my best scoring word down. I rather look at what the board would look like afterwards and if I've given my opponent a chance to regain control and start forcing me into giving away points.
There are various forms of the board, but they all seem to have one common theme. Playing a word on a bonus square rarely exposes another square for use and playing a word without bonus squares is likely to expose a bonus square for use by your opponent. That means one guy is forced into playing a low-scoring word that is likely to expose another bonus square, getting caught in a vicious death of a thousand cuts until they can turn the tables.
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MatthewV
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:14 am    Post subject: 23 Reply with quote

Right- you would beat any player who doesn't regularly play. But most of the time I play with people I know and in person. So being able to say aha HOWFF, what I don't know what the hell it is but it is a legal word really wouldn't go over well. Of course, it works best when turning OW into HOW into HOWF and then into HOWFF and maybe even to HOWFFS on the board.
Seriously, HOWF?
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Jack_Ian
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:27 am    Post subject: 24 Reply with quote

MatthewV wrote:
http://www.donaldsauter.com/national-scrabble-championship-2009.htm
I don't really care which words are allowed. The online games only let you play valid words anyway, although the disparity between them can be annoying. If find WWF (Words with Friends), for example, far too lax, allowing words like GI, which is only ever an acronym imho. But once I know it's allowed, I play it in subsequent games.
Once the ground rules are laid out the game is still the same.

Some of the words he has an issue with would be perfectly valid for me and in fact I hear them in regular speech, e.g. ZAG and AGAZE.
His choice of problem words seems a little arbitrary to me.

I think most of his problems could be addressed by forcing a minimum of tiles to be used per move, say four, including your last move. That could add to the game, forcing even more planning ahead, but I don't think his version is any improvement at all. It feels more like sour grapes. Come play Scrabble II where you can only play words I like and see if you can still beat me, you so-called experts. Eh! Thanks, but no thanks.
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Jack_Ian
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:33 am    Post subject: 25 Reply with quote

MatthewV wrote:
Seriously, HOWF?
Ah! Robert Burns has oft come to my aid in Scrabble Felicitous
English is a rich language, it would be a shame to restrict it to just North-American-speak.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:04 am    Post subject: 26 Reply with quote

So, if your opponent empties the bag, you have to finish with a bingo? hehe.

Where I go playing Scrabble, in Catalan, we play Q as QU tile (no option, the U is always there). How many valid 2-letter words do you guys have? We have 93. Also we have lots of "big letters", four at eight points, and four more at 10. It's interesting how playing in a different language makes the game (with the same rules!) be so different.

The other day I had a very close game where I drew the L·L in my last rack, and that is a painful thing to happen. Luckily, I had an U too, and I could play NUL·LES (null, void, femenine plural), and won the game. Had I have to eat it, I would have lost.
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Zag
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:11 am    Post subject: 27 Reply with quote

Deception wrote:
whoever it was that had 'quizling' in their name-title: thank you ... although once I had Q and Z and laid down quizling on a triple letter in the corner, thanks again.

Oops. That isn't a real word. I gave 3iff that title after he had hosted a really great series of quizzes. He suggested just "Quizling" as a title, but we never actually give people the title they ask for, so I added the "great Scrabble word" to it. But it isn't, really (at least according to 3 different sites I just checked). BraveHat
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:40 am    Post subject: 28 Reply with quote

Well once they find it being used on the GL it will make it to their dictionary...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:43 am    Post subject: 29 Reply with quote

Pablo wrote:
Maybe you guys are subconsciously trying to tell me that you're clueless to explain the phenomenon of the Scrabble blanks?

How about THAT? Cannibal
Need more data. Play a statistically significant number of games (at least 10) against people other than each other, then get back to me.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:43 am    Post subject: 30 Reply with quote

Zag wrote:
Deception wrote:
whoever it was that had 'quizling' in their name-title: thank you ... although once I had Q and Z and laid down quizling on a triple letter in the corner, thanks again.

Oops. That isn't a real word. I gave 3iff that title after he had hosted a really great series of quizzes. He suggested just "Quizling" as a title, but we never actually give people the title they ask for, so I added the "great Scrabble word" to it. But it isn't, really (at least according to 3 different sites I just checked). BraveHat


Crap, I cheated; this time without even realizing it..!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:00 am    Post subject: 31 Reply with quote

I'm with Jack_Ian: I try to manipulate the board so I get the bonus squares. That's why I will piddle around with two letter words, waiting for them to play near the bonuses.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:50 am    Post subject: 32 Reply with quote

MatthewV wrote:
Well once they find it being used on the GL it will make it to their dictionary...


Is borange a word yet?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:08 am    Post subject: 33 Reply with quote

Only without the B, N, or G.
Wookie isn't allowed either.

So is the goal of Scrabble to make the most points possible, or is it to make better words than your opponent? I would favor house rules that allows both to happen.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:17 am    Post subject: 34 Reply with quote

MatthewV wrote:
Only without the B, N, or G.
Wookie isn't allowed either.

So is the goal of Scrabble to make the most points possible, or is it to make better words than your opponent? I would favor house rules that allows both to happen.

Typically the former, although the latter could be interesting.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:39 am    Post subject: 35 Reply with quote

The attempt of the link I posted. Even if you don't modify the dictionary, playing with 8 tiles, giving bonuses for 6,7,8-letters played, and requiring one new word formed to be 3 or more letters will open the board and encourage "real" words.

Consider this: HA/HA Is worth 10. Played with the H on a DLS-- 18. TLS--26
HEALED is worth 9. So unless you can get some bonuses/extra words, it is better just to play two letters.

Oh right, latter was referring to wookie. Whoops, I wish I could read correctly.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:05 am    Post subject: 36 Reply with quote

Deception wrote:
Crap, I cheated; this time without even realizing it..!


Then it is not cheating.
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Pablo
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:59 pm    Post subject: 37 Reply with quote

Playing words like ex, qi, za and others requires no skill, granted. However, it does take some defensive skill to avoid presenting those opportunities to your opponent. Then there's also the (very fun) dimension of assessing risk and agonizing over whether the points you gain and the letters you use are worth it against the opportunity you give the other person.

Overwhelmingly, the blanks are to make bingoes. However, game circumstances my dictate other uses. For example, often later in the game there are very few, if any, places to make a bingo, so perhaps a 20-30 point word is worth using one. Earlier in the game, a crappy rack with a blank is usually a good reason to trade. Otherwise, you're looking at 6 points and another crappy rack.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:41 pm    Post subject: 38 Reply with quote

MatthewV wrote:
So is the goal of Scrabble to make the most points possible, or is it to make better words than your opponent? I would favor house rules that allows both to happen.


The winning condition is to score more points than your opponent. You can do that using either offensive play (making big scoring words) or defensive play (closing off the board). Some people take it as a challenge to consistently make high scoring words and I feel that unless you already are good at consistently finding and making long words, you will get more intellectual benefit from trying to make big words then from trying to make precise defensive plays.

Scrabble is fundamentally a combinatorics and memorization game, which is very well disguised as a game about English language.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:37 am    Post subject: 39 Reply with quote

I am starting to view Scrabble as a social game.

Take Apples to Apples. The stated objective is to get as many green apples as possible. But the real objective is to have fun, make people laugh etc. Winning Scrabble by making the game really painful to play shouldn't be the objective. Hence a modified set of rules that allow winning through playing a good game.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 3:31 am    Post subject: 40 Reply with quote

You're not married, are you?
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