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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:11 pm    Post subject: 1081 Reply with quote

Day 2, 18 alive, 10 to lynch
Deadline: Friday, 9 March
Official Vote Count
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      Deception (4): Silverfire, Amb, ohcapt13
         MNOWAX (4): Jedo the Jedi, novice, Elethiomel, Deception
       Lucresia (7): Undercover Monk, 3iff, Captin Aniima, MNOWAX, itisally, cloudRunner, Durryn
    cloudRunner (1): Garou_Kinfolk
         novice (1): spyrl
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     Not voting (2): Lucresia, Zag

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:52 pm    Post subject: 1082 Reply with quote

I'll eat my hat if Lucresia turns scum, but to abandon the bandwagon on the most clear cut scum of everyone....
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:45 pm    Post subject: 1083 Reply with quote

novice wrote:
Cersei and Eddard on the same team, though?

Of course, it wouldn't really be Eddard on that team -- it would be someone who was given Eddard as a safe claim. There's no way that the two of them would ever be working together.

I don't see any way that a real Eddard would be Mafia, unless there are multiple mafia-ish factions. (Maybe one evil, one good, and then the "town" is just the rest who are kinda neutral.)

I don't really think this -- I'm just speculating out loud. The mason team of Sansa and Jeyne implies that this is probably incorrect.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:29 pm    Post subject: 1084 Reply with quote

Amb wrote:
I'll eat my hat if Lucresia turns scum, but to abandon the bandwagon on the most clear cut scum of everyone....

If you vote MNO then he will very likely be lynched over Lucresia who you think is town.

There really is no way that I will be lynched today, so you're going to have to change your vote.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:54 am    Post subject: 1085 Reply with quote

With possibly less then 6 hours left, I think it's time to speak for Lucresia since she doesn't seem to have been playing for some time now.

Lucresia is a Mason. Her flavor name is Septa Mordane. Silver can confirm.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:16 am    Post subject: 1086 Reply with quote

Garou_Kinfolk wrote:
Lucresia is a Mason. Her flavor name is Septa Mordane. Silver can confirm.

Yeah, you hinted at this earlier, and a few others noticed, but some did not, it's annoying that it came to this.

Garou, could you vote for MNO to make sure Lucresia is lynched? We need every vote we can get.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:02 am    Post subject: 1087 Reply with quote

Yes, Lucresia is a mason. Since I would rather lynch someone who at least has a chance of being scum, Unvote: Deception, Vote: MNOWAX
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:58 am    Post subject: 1088 Reply with quote

well meh.

That's pretty solid claim, considering two other people confirmed it.

Well, I promised it.Unvote, Vote Deception.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:16 am    Post subject: 1089 Reply with quote

Unvote: Lucresia
Vote: Deception


should tie it up 5-5-5 by my count. looks like Luc will go since she had the most votes for the longest, unless someone on her wagon steps off before Sentran shows up.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:19 am    Post subject: 1090 Reply with quote

cloudRunner wrote:
Unvote: Lucresia
Vote: Deception


should tie it up 5-5-5 by my count. looks like Luc will go since she had the most votes for the longest, unless someone on her wagon steps off before Sentran shows up.

Yeah... no. Your vote gives me the lead.

I'm going to claim a little more of my role:

There is another part of my role which I haven't mentioned yet which I think is probably more powerful than any other town role that might be in this game.

It would be really unfortunate to lose my role to a lynch when I am sure to be killed (mafia stands little chance if I live late into the game).
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:21 am    Post subject: 1091 Reply with quote

Code:
      Deception (5): cloudRunner, MNOWAX, Amb, ohcapt13
         MNOWAX (5): Silverfire, Jedo the Jedi, novice, Elethiomel, Deception
       Lucresia (5): Undercover Monk, 3iff, Captin Aniima, itisally, Durryn


thats what i got
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:26 am    Post subject: 1092 Reply with quote

Derp yeah.

Also I don't have time to check right now, but townpoints for the people who also noticed the Garou hint and reacted accordingly.

I think Lucresia would still be lynched under the current ruleset?

mod please don't end the day until friday nightish (I guess before you go to afternoon plans is my wish)
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:27 am    Post subject: 1093 Reply with quote

quite a few people are probably lurking right now so maybe a little more detail might convince them to step out of the shadows and switch up. i'm around and also willing to hear what you've got.

'sides, you've got a doc (or two) still out there that might consider protecting you tonight.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:36 am    Post subject: 1094 Reply with quote

Given that I will Unvote: Lucresia Vote: MNO

Congrats MNO your in the lead given your the only one I still dont trust. Neutral
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:34 am    Post subject: 1095 Reply with quote

I spent far too long sifting through pages for this, but given that Deception claims to only be able to tell the truth:
Deception, post 772 wrote:
Nah, MNOWAX is a Mafia Vannalizer.
Note the punctuation mark: the period indicates the end of a sentence, finalizing the statement. Despite the following remark "I will put money on that." the first statement is concluded prior to any differing remarks, makes the first statement, according to the "I can't lie" policy, a statement of truth. Now if it had been a comma, that would make it have an entirely different meaning.

Following post 772 up with post 774: "To clarify: I think that MNOWAX is mafia who has a role which targets X at night and then X loses any powers they had forever (turning into a vanilla townie)." does not negate the fact that the previous statement in 772 was already declared as a statement (truth).

Of course this is also assuming he meant "Vanillaizer" as I can't for the life of me figure out how MNO could be a "Vannal- (of, relating to, or constituting a vannus and esp. a fold between the remigium and vannus of the wings of some insects - Webster)-izer."
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:35 am    Post subject: 1096 Reply with quote

So, Lucresia is another mason, but where the hell is she?

Ok, can't vote for her, but I can vote for one of the controllers.

Unvote: Vote: Deception

I'm gone for the long weekend in 8 hours so if you have something to claim then it had better be before I go, because otherwise I won't be able to change my vote before the deadline kicks in.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:05 am    Post subject: 1097 Reply with quote

3iff wrote:
So, Lucresia is another mason, but where the hell is she?

Ok, can't vote for her, but I can vote for one of the controllers.

Unvote: Vote: Deception

I'm gone for the long weekend in 8 hours so if you have something to claim then it had better be before I go, because otherwise I won't be able to change my vote before the deadline kicks in.


Did you not see his previous claims? Eddard Stark with a powerful ability? What more could he possibly claim to sway you?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:11 am    Post subject: 1098 Reply with quote

In case it's not already blindingly obvious I'll go on record and say Deception is clearly innocent. He has a very strong claim and his playstyle is not anti-town in my opinion. You'll have noticed that myself and El also have accusatory playstyles. Do you really think we're all scum, as MNO says? Or might it possibly be the case that outsiders play Mafia differently from what you're used to at the GL?

Wake up, people. You cannot be serious.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:18 am    Post subject: 1099 Reply with quote

Deception's being critized for trying to run the town. From what I've seen the town could use a little running.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:26 am    Post subject: 1100 Reply with quote

What Novice said... also FoS: 3iff
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:37 am    Post subject: 1101 Reply with quote

So, are Deception, Elethiomel and Novice another mason group? or worse? You all act as one...

You all seem to be telling everyone else what to do.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:52 am    Post subject: 1102 Reply with quote

3iff wrote:
You all seem to be telling everyone else what to do.


Well, it needs to be said. Don't lynch the King's Hand.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:11 am    Post subject: 1103 Reply with quote

3iff wrote:
You all seem to be telling everyone else what to do.

My experience with scum is that they typically try to go with the flow, gently nudging the lynch in the right direction by choosing which opinions to agree with. They don't seek confrontations; they want to make friends and be viewed as reasonable and sensible. They might occasionally deviate from this baseline for tactical reasons, but their natural urge, which will always be tugging at them, is to lie low and make friends. Their second concern, which is also very strong, is to avoid any kind of association with their fellow scum. This is frequently overdone, to the extent that they don't mention or address their fellow scum at all.

Forcibly telling someone what to do goes contrary to this instinctive behavior. To think, like MNOWAX and Durryn do, that Deception would openly urge his two scumbuddies Fritzler and me to support his day 1 lynch of an innocent is, frankly, ludicrous.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:18 am    Post subject: 1104 Reply with quote

Well it needs to be said: Deception is hours from being lynched, and all he can say is that he has hidden abilities. He even tries to instruct the mod to wait.

So here it is: If he is town, he has done his best to play like scum.

He bandwagons and yet accuses people who bandwagon.
He attacks lurkers and yet accuses those who also do the same.
He appears to try to follow the mood of the town whenever possible.
His claim is easily attributed to a fake claim.
He attacks other claims (masons!) as being easy to fake.
He drops tidbits about his role, but never actually fully claims - even right by a lynch.
He possibly even hints about not being able to be lynched: "There really is no way that I will be lynched today, so you're going to have to change your vote."
He tries to tell the town what to do (eg "Vote mnowax This is it, this is who we are lynching. No more switches, please." - Note that MNO even appears to have validated his ability in thread... even if not alignment - it should be enough to prevent a day 2 lynch of him)

And we gain a bucket load of info about people's reactions to him. If he proves scum (as he is playing) then I'd be seriously looking at Elethiomel as a scum buddy. For example.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:35 am    Post subject: 1105 Reply with quote

Thanks Amb for putting it so eloquently.

I'm happy to change my vote if a consensus of the OTHER players suggests I should.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:44 am    Post subject: 1106 Reply with quote

Amb wrote:
If he is town, he has done his best to play like scum.

Whereas you believe he is scum who has done his best to play like scum?

Why do you keep lying to us, anyway? I mean, who do you think you're kidding?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:01 am    Post subject: 1107 Reply with quote

Unofficial Vote Count
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      Deception (6): Amb, ohcapt13, MNOWAX, cloudrunner, 3iff
         MNOWAX (6): Jedo the Jedi, novice, Elethiomel, Deception, Captin Aniima, Silverfire
       Lucresia (3): Undercover Monk, itisally, Durryn
    cloudRunner (1): Garou_Kinfolk
         novice (1): spyrl
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     Not voting (2): Lucresia, Zag
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:10 am    Post subject: 1108 Reply with quote

Wow, Deception.

Your little attack-dogs are working hard today.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:14 am    Post subject: 1109 Reply with quote

3iff wrote:
I'm happy to change my vote if a consensus of the OTHER players suggests I should.


So you're going to let the players vote on what you should vote?

Shocked

Read the vote tally then. Amb, ohcapt13, MNOWAX and cloudrunner think you should vote Deception. Jedo the Jedi, novice, Elethiomel, Deception, Captin Aniima and Silverfire think you should vote MNOWAX. Undercover Monk, Durryn, itisally, Garou_Kinfolk, spyrl, Lucresia and Zag would rather have someone else decide.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:15 am    Post subject: 1110 Reply with quote

3iff wrote:
Wow, Deception.

Your little attack-dogs are working hard today.


Why do I even bother.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:37 am    Post subject: 1111 Reply with quote

I'm guessing that lots of people are only just waking up and haven't seen the recent postings...I'm waiting to see if other players change their minds from yesterday.

Quote:
So you're going to let the players vote on what you should vote?
Of course not.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:34 pm    Post subject: 1112 Reply with quote

Amb wrote:
Well it needs to be said: Deception is hours from being lynched, and all he can say is that he has hidden abilities. He even tries to instruct the mod to wait.

So here it is: If he is town, he has done his best to play like scum.

He bandwagons and yet accuses people who bandwagon.
He attacks lurkers and yet accuses those who also do the same.
He appears to try to follow the mood of the town whenever possible.
His claim is easily attributed to a fake claim.
He attacks other claims (masons!) as being easy to fake.
He drops tidbits about his role, but never actually fully claims - even right by a lynch.
He possibly even hints about not being able to be lynched: "There really is no way that I will be lynched today, so you're going to have to change your vote."
He tries to tell the town what to do (eg "Vote mnowax This is it, this is who we are lynching. No more switches, please." - Note that MNO even appears to have validated his ability in thread... even if not alignment - it should be enough to prevent a day 2 lynch of him)

And we gain a bucket load of info about people's reactions to him. If he proves scum (as he is playing) then I'd be seriously looking at Elethiomel as a scum buddy. For example.

This is full of fallacy in regards to what is and is not a tell! Your last wall of attacks was awful, and I smashed it down, you didn't even write a small paragraph in response to my rebuttal. You just hid in a corner.

1 is not a scumtell (fallacy of definition, fallacy of simplification) 2 is not a scumtell (fallacy of definition, fallacy of simplification) 3 is an outright lie, and contradicts with your earlier presumption that I am trying to lead the town; 4 is silly because you accuse me of being scum for thinking that the masons are fake (my role is better, stronger, and by the end of the game can be the reason the entire scumteam got caught; I HAVE to be nightkilled eventually by scum or they WILL lose, that's how great my role is); 5 is not a scumtell, 6 is not a scumtell, 7 contradicts with 4 and is once again not a scumtell (although I disagree with what you said that I'm leading the town).

spyrl: You need to rethink what constitutes as a lie before you try and accuse me of lying there. I can speak statements which are false, I just cannot speak statements which are false which I know to be false, or have significant knowledge which allows the mod to assume that I should know it is false. Thus it is safe for me to make the proclamation that MNO is a vanillaizer, because I don't actually know for sure if he is, so the mod shouldn't mind.

For a town who is gaga over claims and rolenames, seeing my name leading the polls is a shocker. Probably scum to be found, Amb is certainly one.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:47 pm    Post subject: 1113 Reply with quote

balls!!!!!

now Lucresia will be left alive til the last day and in a lynch or lose situation. the mafia will win. Melancholy mod please consider a modkill if she doesnt show by next day

this is a tough choice but I think Im going with the claimed vanilla as opposed to the guy you all say is A GOOD GUY (never read the series)

Deception wil most likey be next on my plate though. Unvote, Vote:MNOWAX
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:49 pm    Post subject: 1114 Reply with quote

Im gonna laugh if te masons turn out to be mafia. Laughing I highly doubt that but it would be epic.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:35 pm    Post subject: 1115 Reply with quote

Elethiomel wrote:
Why do you keep lying to us, anyway? I mean, who do you think you're kidding?


I would like this question answered, too. Deception's deception seems anti-town to me, but somehow Amb seems to have gotten a free pass for hiding what he knows about the vote anomalies. So, Amb, what's going on?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:48 pm    Post subject: 1116 Reply with quote

tey both have become fishy, but Amb is is totally right about Deception here. Deception is doing noting but leading the town. its this simple I'll likely be dead tonight, if not by the lynch, but by either the SK or the mafia.

Lynch me all you want, you guys, but to have Deception jump up and claim he can never tell a lie, then tells a lie about me should put him right up on the Lynch all Liars throne. I'm not mafia, and I'm not a vanilla-izer (or whatever he claimed I was) Deception-scum will go down with me, so at least hen i kick it, remember how he lied.

P.S we still have two killing parties here, I would bet my right arm that he's a Serial Killer.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:36 pm    Post subject: 1117 Reply with quote

spyrl wrote:
I spent far too long sifting through pages for this, but given that Deception claims to only be able to tell the truth:
Deception, post 772 wrote:
Nah, MNOWAX is a Mafia Vannalizer.
Note the punctuation mark: the period indicates the end of a sentence, finalizing the statement. Despite the following remark "I will put money on that." the first statement is concluded prior to any differing remarks, makes the first statement, according to the "I can't lie" policy, a statement of truth. Now if it had been a comma, that would make it have an entirely different meaning.

Following post 772 up with post 774: "To clarify: I think that MNOWAX is mafia who has a role which targets X at night and then X loses any powers they had forever (turning into a vanilla townie)." does not negate the fact that the previous statement in 772 was already declared as a statement (truth).

Of course this is also assuming he meant "Vanillaizer" as I can't for the life of me figure out how MNO could be a "Vannal- (of, relating to, or constituting a vannus and esp. a fold between the remigium and vannus of the wings of some insects - Webster)-izer."


but you're not going to pick a side in the zero hour?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:26 pm    Post subject: 1118 Reply with quote

Here I thought the day would be over by now. I'm glad to see it's still going and I haven't lost a mason buddy.

I honestly don't like either of the top lynch options. Yes, they've both claimed and both sound townish to me. Six are off my list for now. Just the other twelve left. Of them I'd rather not lynch a newbie until day three.

unvote: Cloudrunner

I just don't know who to vote for right now. I could go with someone from my FOS list, but that probably won't get any traction.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:58 pm    Post subject: 1119 Reply with quote

All is quiet with about 11 hours (max) to go.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:02 pm    Post subject: 1120 Reply with quote

Garou_Kinfolk wrote:
I'd rather not lynch a newbie until day three.


Speaking as an uninformed newbie, who are the newbies in this game anyway?
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