Winter has begun... (Game over!)

[cloudRunner]

[Sentran]

Day 4, 13 alive, 7 to lynch
Deadline: Tuesday, 10 April
Official Vote Count

[Garou_Kinfolk]

For those who want me to vote, I will be before the end of the game day. I need to look at a few things and would rather do it on a computer then my phone.
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[Jedo the Jedi]

[Undercover Monk]

[Durryn]

You are right I am getting annoyed. I feel my answers are there and you say they aren't. I am not seeing your side of it. I explain before or after every vote why I voted that way. If it isn't enough, fine, but I am not a member of the mafia, nor am I the SK.


What do you want? Me to claim? Me to get truly angry at a game and make some slip you can twist into a tell?

I have not been on any town lynches and while I pushed, very hard, for Deception I was not on him at the end either, because I finally believed him even with other players trying to prove he was being less than truthful.


You want to get scum? Prove it. Stop harassing me and go after the scum. You people have railroaded Amb, ignored or discredited multiple strong claims, and now you think you can attack my wife for answering questions, that I quite believe, she knew I didn't know how to answer any better than I already had.

I honestly believe anyone voting for me right now is scum and will remain on my list until they are dead.
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[itisally]

Jedo-- I answered because you were being blind (intentionally I believe). I felt he had given reasons for his votes if you wanted to bother to go back and look at the posts with the votes themselves. I only pointed to what he had already said, you could have looked it up for yourself. I might even screw up what my feelings were 2 -3 weeks ago when I did something or get the timeline off if I am working from memory.
Anyway, I had an opinion on the wagon and I gave it when I had an opportunity to post. I am not going to be accused of not contributing because I waited around, namsy pansy, for someone else to comment.

I think the continued badgering of Durryn is a Scum tactic to get the towinies off the OhCapt wagon.

I think (this is for you CloudRunner) that scum are taking advantage of the fact that Durryn plays mostly from is gut and is not well spoken in typed form. He stated, while he was voting (go look at it), that he was trying to reconcile your feeling that Stannis wouldn't be there with his feeling that Deception was town. Why should people repeat themselves for you pleasure. I have always found that once I have said my piece it is better to just let people decide how they feel about it. Durryn seems to feel that he has nothing more to say to you regarding this. If you really want to convince people try to sway the fence sitters like Garou or Spyrl with your * dazzling* evidence of wit.
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[Garou_Kinfolk]

So, what I wanted to look at before I voted was waaaaaaayyyyyy back on Day 1, page 3. I was looking for who said Fritzler (our only dead scum so far) was behaving like he normally does. The first person to do so was Amb (town) in post 93 and Jedo confirmed in post 95.

[cloudRunner]

Durryn, you may be innocent in your mind but you’ve done little to actually DEFEND yourself. Summarizing YOUR feelings doesn’t equate to a defense, you need to RESPOND TO ACCUSATIONS. You just ignored the post where we caught you in a lie. Do you not know how to defend yourself? maybe I can help you understand what I'm looking for.

1) Point your web browser to http://www.greylabyrinth.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=14368&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1280
2) Press Ctrl+F. This will bring up the Search box in your web browser.
3) Type “Durryn” and press Enter. Cycle through until you hit a post that mentions your name.
4) Press on the button.
5) Type how this particular post makes you feel.
6) Repeat Steps 2 through 5.

I hope that can help you with coming up with a defense.

[cloudRunner]

Also I apologize if I am coming off as rude itisally. I hope this game isn't affecting you and your husband's personal lives. It would be a shame if the stresses of this game carried over into the real world and into a dinner table conversation topic.
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[Jedo the Jedi]

To Durryn and itisally:

You say there are answers (and indeed there are), but these answers don't really satisfy the questions asked. If they did, we would stop asking them. The point is, the actions do not make sense in their context. Much to the contrary, I have gone back multiple times to make sense of things and to match up the answers Durryn is giving. They do not satisfy. So, you want to make it personal in some way, have a ball. Meanwhile, I am hunting scum. I am trying to work out motivations and reasons for a person's actions. That's how you find scum. Yes, sometimes townies get caught in the snare, but I can't know that right now. I believe Durryn is scum because of some stark inconsistency. That's my prerogative.

Also, what happens if ohcapt flips town? What wall will you hide behind then? I confess, he's only null for me, but I'm willing to take a risk. Usually, if a wagon is hard to get off the ground, that's because scum are fighting against it. The easy wagons generally contain more scum. Just for the record.
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[Captin Aniima]

Sorry been busy and trying to figure out whats going on. Just curious cloudRunner why are you so suspicious of Durryn? I think I may have missed something. I'm also apologizing for attacking you I think I may have misinterpreted something and thought I had finally gotten a scum.

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[itisally]

[MNOWAX]

[Durryn]

@Jedo: Then I guess I don't get the questions and I have been the easy goto target from day one.

@Cloud: For the umpteenth time, I have answered if it isn't good enough, tough. Now you accuse me of untruths? Very few people walking this planet can say that. I may be incorrect or dead wrong about my information. Heck, its even happened where I get confused and say something completely out of context or about the wrong issue. BUT I DO NOT LIE Are we clear on this one issue? It was a goof my saying Stannis instead of Eddard. I have to keep track of too many double identities for people without adding those that change each game I play. (IE: Sentran/Torrence/Uller... LIML/Tulia/Buscuit... OhCapt/Leito/ect, ect, ect)

You asked about my flopping on Deception, right? I am not answering about it anymore. See my post # 67 in ISO I didn't (to memory) switch anywhere near Amb. I believed him from the start. Every answer he gave made sense to me and as such I defended him. As to believing my wife???? Are you mental? I see things in the way she writes, just as, I am sure, she can read me. It's one of the reasons we are not going to continue playing in the same games together. It's too easy to spot each other trying to hide something.

You have done a fine job of keeping the lights on me, but I am not going to be lynched this time. You scum will have to kill me in my sleep. Or not and keep everyone guessing by my survival.

Finally. You say you countered my logic? Too bad for you that your counter was WRONG[/u] and Amb was proven town. So what does that say for my logic? I was RIGHT.
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[cloudRunner]

[Garou_Kinfolk]

I've just spent the past few hours going through the entire game and compiling a list of where everyone who is still alive has voted. I didn't include the Unvotes. It would have made the list too long. Below is that list. I've also put the days in so everyone can see when they happened. Don't know if it will help anyone, but if someone can see a pattern in it then go for it (like who has only voted for townies). If I missed any of the votes, I'm sorry. It's hard to look through the entire game for anything.

Zag: Day 1: Elethiomel, Silverfire, Durryn, Silverfire, Amb, Jadesmar, Day 2: Aniima, OhCapt13, MNOWAX, MNOWAX, Deception, Aniima, Durryn, Day 3: Amb, Day 4: OhCapt13,

MNOWAX: Day 1: Durryn, Silverfire, Jadesmar, Day 2: Deception, Aniima, Apple Sause, Aniima, Deception, Lucresia, Deception, Day 3: Durryn, Amb, Day 4: CloudRunner, Durryn,

Durryn: Day 1: Fritzler, Fritzler, Deception, Fritzler, Day 2: Deception, Deception, Lucresia, Deception, Lucresia, Day 3: Aniima, CloudRunner, Day 4: CloudRunner,

itisally: Day 1: Durryn, Fritzler, Jadesmar, Jadesmar, Day 2: Lucresia, Deception, Lucresia, Day 3: Amb, Day 4: Ohcapt13, Lucresia,

Jedo the Jedi: Day 1: Durryn, Silverfire, Jadesmar (Hammer), Day 2: Deception, MNOWAX, Day 3: itisally, Durryn, Day 4: Durryn,

cloudRunner: Day 1: Jadesmar, Deception, Day 2: Deception, MNOWAX, Lucresia, Deception, Lucresia, Deception, Day 3: Durryn, Amb, Day 4: Durryn,

spyrl: Day 1: Deception, Day 2: MNOWAX, Novice, Day 3: Amb, Day 4: None yet

Silverfire: Day 1: Aniima, Apple Sause, Durryn, Zag, Day 2: Deception, MNOWAX, Deception, Day 3: None, Day 4: OhCapt13,

Garou_Kinfolk: Day 1: Undercover Monk, fritzler, Day 2: MNOWAX, CloudRunner, Day 3: Amb, Day 4: Jedo,

3iff: Day 1: MNOWAX, Deception, Day 2: Lucresia, Deception, Day 3: Amb, Day 4: OhCapt13,

Undercover Monk: Day 1: Amb, Silverfire, Jadesmar Day 2: MNOWAX, Apple Sause, Lucresia, MNOWAX, Day 3: Jedo, Amb, Amb, Day 4: Ohcapt13,

Captin Aniima: Day 1: Jedo, Silverfire, Deception, Day 2: Zag, Deception, Lucresia, MNOWAX, Day 3: Jedo, Day 4: CloudRunner,

ohcapt13: Day 1: Fritzler, Silverfire, Day 2: Zag, MNOWAX, Deception Day 3: Amb, Day 4: Aniima, [/b]
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[Zag]

Good research, Garou, though I'm not sure what it implies either. I was a little surprised that I had voted that much, but it looks accurate. In my own defense, the first vote was just a joke and the third and fourth were a declared experiment to see if Amb's voting peculiarities were caused by his vote for Durryn. (I voted away and then back to silver, declaring that I would and that my vote for Durryn didn't mean anything.)

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Two interesting accusations on this page:

itisally: "I think the continued badgering of Durryn is a Scum tactic to get the towinies off the OhCapt wagon." (I assume this was directed at Jedo and CloudRunner.)

Garou: "this makes me think that Jedo is trying to sweep Fritlzers scummy behavior under the rug."

These two comments make me look a lot harder at Jedo. However, the first one depends on OhCapt being scum for it to be significant, so I'm going to leave my vote there. In fact, it makes me feel a little better about the vote, because I think that there may be some truth to her theory. Certainly this sort of deflection is exactly what Jedo would do to defend a fellow scum -- not actually defend, but mount an attack elsewhere.

Garou's accusation makes sense and I was a little surprised that I didn't recall saying anything about it in my own "Fritzler Report" that I wrote shortly after we learned Fritzler's alignment (post 57 in my ISO). It turns out I did; I said: "93, 95. Amb: 'Nothing that Fritzler has done so far is out of character.', Jedo agrees." It didn't really strike me as that significant at the time, but that could easily be Jedo's subtlety. In any case, this isn't enough evidence for me to change my vote, and ohcapt flipping scum will be enough to convict Jedo, even without this. This does, however, help us decide which of Jedo and CloudRunner to string up first.

[Undercover Monk]

[Jedo the Jedi]

Well, I will switch over to unvote, vote ohcapt13 since it doesn't look like anybody else will be joining me before the deadline. (I mean, it only needs 2 votes, but that would be like pulling teeth around here.)

Here's to hoping somebody has a better read than my null.
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[Garou_Kinfolk]

With the deadline set for tomorrow, I guess now would be the time for OhCapt to come forward with whatever he can.
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[Zag]

Look, Jedo, here it comes!



Don't think we're fooled.

[ohcapt13]

[Undercover Monk]

Zag I havent laughed that hard at something in a mafia forum for a long time very nice.

Thanks for playing ohcapt.
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[Garou_Kinfolk]

It was good to have you with us OhCapt. Hope to see you here again in other games.
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[spyrl]

Durryn, I read through itisally's post and I didn't see anything new that answered my questions (which weren't about why you voted, but other related thought processes).
Specifically:
"What was the reasoning behind why, in the 11:49th hour, you thought that there had been enough post content from everyone for Sentran to extend the deadline (with so few hours till the deadline remaining)"
and
"can you explain to me [in your own words, please] how voting twice for someone equals trying to save someone from lynching after they had claimed"

Aniima, can you answer my question from post 1377:
"I do want to know what Aniima meant in post 1331 with “And Deception was right (and still is).” What [specifically] were you saying Deception was right about?"

[Undercover Monk]

[MNOWAX]

I don't See Ohcapt as scum, just a new player that got caught. its strange, I would be all over this lynch in a heart beat, I just think Durryn is way more scummy right now. Wouldn't mind to see Jedo hang either, I smell a rat with him.
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[Zag]

spryl, when one scum make a hammer or a late and likely clinching vote on another scum, it's called "busing" (only one S -- with two S's the word means kissing). It refers to pushing your buddy under a bus to save yourself.

I am assuming that we are right, that ohcapt is scum. I also think that itisally's theory that Jedo was earlier trying to deflect that bandwagon is correct, and that now he's turning on his buddy in order to try to appear clean. "After all -- see? -- he's helping to lynch a scum, so he must be innocent."

[Jedo the Jedi]

[Garou_Kinfolk]

Jedo, how is switching your vote to OhCapt guaranteeing a lynch? As near as I can figure unless a power is used there will be a lynch as long as someone has two votes on them.
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[Jedo the Jedi]

[Sentran]

Ohcapt13 stood tall and prim, as would be expected from a man of his position. His eyes, however, betrayed the heavy feeling in his heart, that he had failed more than once in his lifetime. He had failed to protect King Robert from the boar that proved his undoing, and now he had failed the realm in that he had not brought to justice the ones responsible for the recent deaths.

As the High Septon asked for his confession, ohcapt began to tell the story of a life spent in service to the crown, protecting those in power. He told of all of his perceived failings, and his pride began to give way to grief. He apologized for failing to inspire the people to see what he believed, and for failing to name the conspirators in the death of House Stark.

After a time, King Joffrey rolled his eyes and announced simply “I tire of his whining. Headsman, end his suffering.” Ser Ilyn Payne once again moved quickly to his duty, a sadistic gleam in his eye. The High Septon’s shoulders slumped heavily when he was presented with the white card of Ser Barristan Selmy.

Player: ohcapt13
Role Name: Barristan Selmy, Knight Commander of the Kingsguard
Role: Non-standard Investigator, Town

Night begins now. Night will end in approximately 72 hours.
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[Sentran]

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Final Vote Count

[Sentran]

A fine, cool dew covers King's Landing as the sun peeks over the city wall. People begin mulling about, counting the townspeople to make sure all twelve are present. They're not. The body of Garou_Kinfolk, aka Jeyne Poole, is found in a nearby abandoned shop, having been stabbed through the chest.

Jeyne Poole (Garou_Kinfolk), Mason, was killed night 4.

It is now day 5. With 11 alive, it will take 6 to lynch.
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[Zag]

Another bad lynch and the night killing is starting up again. After a decent start, we're going downhill fast. I was pretty convinced about ohcapt, too; and I was looking forward to my theory on Jedo being a scum buddy turning the tide for us. Now I feel a little like we're back at square one. Hopefully, it's not really that bad:

I don't want anyone to speak up unless you bring real information, but everyone with a night ability that might have prevented kills should have something helpful worked out by now. You'll have to decide if bringing it forward is worth outing yourself, but I think that it might be. We really need a successful lynch, and I think that one more known scum will very likely point us to all the others.

Just to review:

Fritzler , Cersei Lannister, mafia godfather, killed Night 1
Presumably the work of the SK, unless there is someone with a redirector power who tricked the scum into killing one of their own. Assuming this was the SK, good job to whoever stopped the scum kill ... and good job to the SK, too! (I'm assuming SK because we've lost our vig on day 1. However, with all the non-standard roles, it is barely possible that there is another non-standard vig, or some other killing role. For the time being, however, I'm sticking with an assumption of an SK.)

Elethiomel, Arya Stark, Eavesdropper, killed Night 2
Novice, Catelyn Stark, Non-standard Protector, killed Night 2
What a disaster! Whatever you did on night 2, don't do that again.

Night 3: no kills!
This one! Do this again! ~puts on Captain Obvious cape~

Garou_Kinfolk, Jeyne Poole, Mason, killed Night 4 (Sentran, your post says 'Night 2' for this.)
Since ohcapt was a non-standard Investigator, I assume that he was not involved in making night 3 kill-less, so someone changed what they did between nights 3 and 4. Hopefully this means useful information, at least.

I tried doing some analysis on the night 2 kills a while ago, but I didn't find anything terribly interesting. It's especially hard because we don't know which was the scum and which the SK. For last night's kill, the only person whom Garou had been targeting was Jedo. I don't consider this to be terribly relevant, however, because of my poking fun of Jedo on ohCapt's lynching. If Jedo isn't scum, then the scum would have been looking to bring more attention to him, plus they are getting to the point where they have to target known townies in order to break up the voting blocks, anyway.

If Jedo IS scum, then he'd probably still be ok with killing Garou, knowing that someone like me would find the interpretation above. If he is, though, I don't really see why he would have changed his vote so late last night. On the other hand, I don't really see why he did so if he is town, either. In fact, the only interpretation I see on his vote change that completely makes sense to me is the one I had before we knew ohcapt's alignment, that it was a busing. Since that's not it, I guess I simply have no idea. Jedo? Care to explain?

[cloudRunner]

So, I think it's worth taking a look at ohcapt's final post.

[Undercover Monk]

First I just want to say CRAPBUCKETS!!!!!. this town has done nothing right gararrrrr!!!!

now that that is out of the way. Cloudrunner makes a very good point. Animala has been proteted by itisally. I think its time for some info from ally. why are you so sure that animalla is town.

I have a new theory that is sure to be wrong but it requires a claim of some sort by itisally. see this is why claims are important now. If you are going to be lynched please claim (it probably wont save you at this point but will give us info if you turn out town) I would love to know what about his role was non standard.
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2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[MNOWAX]

[Silverfire]

Garou suspected he was going to die, and posted this in the mason thread last night.