SURVIVOR MAFIA- TOWN WINS reunion show

[Amb]

I missed JTJ's vote. I guess you'd react just like that if you had 3.

In my experience the first person to be bandwagonned on day 1 is nearly never ever lynched. But if this is how you will react through the game, with extreme paranoia, and over reactions... then I'm not inclined to unvote.

[The Great Crep'er]

It's not 3, it's 5. MNOWAX, Zag, yourself, Jedo, and Deception. (not necessarily in that order). Please reread.

I guess a votecount is coming soon...
And I really don't understand how I'm being paranoid. Or even overreactive really. If you are referring to the long post I made about you and Deception, I guess it may be somewhat understandable...if you are biased against long posts. The way I see it, Deception built a case against me and you were okay with voting anyone off, hence the "as good as any". Two hard points to rebut as they came from very internalized places of your brains, where post like mine have minimal control or influence. So, naturally, I complained about your playstyle as I thought it was counterproductive and I got scumtells from Decep and wanted you to elaborate. (A natural reaction to a vote with virtually no reason) Any faults? Maybe a bit long. Maybe you can cite the text where you feel those signals because I don't have Amb's brain and therefore can't see eye to eye on your new concerns that maintain your vote.

You know what strikes me as paranoid? Seeing a light D1 post and saying "hey that looks like scum doing something" and framing it as if it was some massive scum tell. Yet you make no mention of that and it is supposedly a problem you have with me...strange...

[The Great Crep'er]

[Sentran]

I haven't even finished reading all of the posts thus far, since a few of them are larger than the average Day 1 posts. I just wanted to get in my Vote: Apple Sause for abandoning the GoT Mafia game without notice.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Zag]

[Mackay]

The Great Creper

I just got home from work and am absolutely exhausted - so just a quick thought after a skim of the thread:

My main impression is that while I hate Rupert as a character, he's probably a "good guy" in this context. Not only that, but that is a HUGE name to be putting out there for someone who's lying, so I have to assume that either he isn't lying, or that Rupert Boneham was left out of the game by the mod to use as a safe claim - possible, but he's such a big character that I have my doubts. I feel like TGC's claim is probably pretty legit. (As I type this post, I'm convincing myself more and more.) I'm going to pretend that the whole "disproportionate response to a tiny slight" is him doing an excellent roleplay of his player character.

Will post more in the morning, or maybe if I feel better later tonight and my eyes aren't glazing over while trying to read people's posts =)

[Jedo the Jedi]

Wow. I know you have been away for a while, TGC, but we don't claim around here until at least L-2. I know you think this was all moving so quickly and you were about to be lynched, but you were still a significant number of votes away from being lynched. What surely was going to happen is others were going to come in on your behalf and say how ridiculously quick this was and vote somebody on your wagon, chalking it up to having a lame excuse for getting on the wagon. Then the tide would have turned, and you would have been fine. If not that, more would have piled on before a couple of people on the wagon bailed out because they didn't want to appear scummy if the lynch went through, and you wouldn't have died. *cough*ZAG*cough* Regardless, you really would have been fine, and this whole process of vote switching would have given us some good interaction and talking points.

For the record, I'm not afraid of your claim. It's the reason I don't believe claims on Day 1: they are designed to scare the town into unvoting. If you had claimed "cop," people would be unvoting because they are afraid to lose such a powerful townie. Pfft. We'll survive. Just so you know. (Also, I note your disagreement with my play. It hasn't failed me yet.)

Zag, why not vote Amb for that post? You certainly threw out the suggestion of him being scummy without saying it. It's a pretty good scum tactic to put out suggestions for others to pick up on without doing it yourself. Votes are kind of more important on Day 1, and I'm pretty sure you know that. I guess this portion of post will suffice to log concretely this incident. I wouldn't want somebody to pass over it later. FOS: Zag
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Paragon Tally: 18 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Deception]

[Undercover Monk]

[Sentran]

I got some sleep and finished reading over the thread.

[The Great Crep'er]

[The Great Crep'er]

[Amb]

All I can say about my post, is that I thought I was the second vote. And then all I saw was dozens of posts of "Analysis" by the Creper. This of course isn't analysis and is crazy.

[Deception]

1) You are funny, you're like the guy who is yelling at everyone to calm down because a spider that no one else is worried about crawled into the room.

2) The way you explained dice tags shows sub conscious assumptions that I didn't know about the commonness of dice tags.

3) You voted me using a reason that requires I know the history of dice rolls. This is because if I didn't know dice rolls are common, which I didn't, then it is not a scum tell to react to one with suspicion.

[The Great Crep'er]

@Jedo: You like to speculate on what will happen based on what has happened in the past, but I'd like to acknowledge and remind you of the unpredictable nature of mafia games. In a forum that's had wall-to-wall crazy formats and a drifting roster of players coming in and out, I thought it would be easy to see that this isn't your average mafia site. I think it was very possible that another three votes could have landed on to my wagon considering the light nature with which they were tossed on and how little they were followed up to that point. I wasn't going to take the risk and let some poor soul suffer for it. It's probable that all five voting me were town, but I wouldn't doubt the inclusion of one or two scum.
BWing on D1? Maybe it hasn't failed you yet, but, hey, there's a first time for everything. It doesn't exclude it altogether, but you seem to vote with the insistence that it does. Look around, the worst case scenario is that you find nothing after voting everybody else. At least you will have tried, and that's exponentially better than this resignation about changing your vote you seem to have taken on.

*steals Deception's shoes, gives one to Mackay and one to Zag* Thank you to you two. It's become very uncommon where I don't find a post in this thread that isn't speculating to the nth degree on my actions or finds some sort of problem in my retaliations when I am simply trying to keep the town together by not killing somebody off. To hear that I'm not alone in my concerns of the pace of my wagon or that someone has faith in my words means a world of comfort to me.

And, whether you like it or not, Mackay brings about a good point in the Rupert claim. So unless you have doubts about the mod including "America's Favorite Player" in the game or are anticipating a counter, it seems like I should be put on the back burner for now on that principle alone. I don't know. Seems that way, anyways. Others noticeably feel different.

[Zag]

[The Great Crep'er]

[Deception]

Oh, I did misread you.

Well I am going to vote you anyway because your claim is suspicious as well.

[Amb]

If TGC isn't scum, then he is hogging the attention. Which achieves nothing. In other words, if he is telling the truth about being Boneham, then he is wasting our time. It allows the scum to lie low and attract no attention at all.

[The Great Crep'er]

[Jedo the Jedi]

[The Great Crep'er]

@Deception: Reason for you finding my claim to be suspicious? Also, misreading my posts when you quoted the beginning 1/4th of them? :/

@Amb: Me hogging less attention can be accomplished in two ways. Lynching me (which you seem to favor, per your vote) and risking a possible town life, or unvoting me and engaging other players to add into the mix. But the thing I like about your post is that it seems to be saying less about you voting me thinking that I'm scum, but that regardless of my alignment I should be lynched (as seen by the lack of unvote) and that the town essentially go back to D1 with just a few more dead people than before.

If your issue is with me hogging the attention then you are no less of a cause of this offense by putting me under your scope with all the others who would wish to note their 'scumdar' working regularly around my posts. The way I see it? People can choose to read my posts or ignore them. They can prompt others to respond with their post and vote. It is a free country, it is a free town. I doubt if you were really concerned about letting other scum off the hook, you would be joining the TGC bandwagon and feeding into the attention. A rather pointless post, really. All you are doing is criticizing the town at large. Look out there man, say hello to people, question about what other people think of me.

[Jedo the Jedi]

[Deception]

Reasons the claim is bad:

1) The role is a vengeful townie (shoots someone when lynched) with a twist: It shoots a person on the wagon who the Creper can't choose. Not only is it not a role the mafia will ever kill, it's a role which is going to make people think twice about lynching (don't want to get shot).

2) Role name is supposedly well known. The quickness of this claim screams "dont lynch me before I can point out my flavor name which clears me and this role which will kill one of you!".

3) Claimed way too early, but that's really in tandem with my other points.

[Sentran]

[Deception]

Also how is a vengeful townie that shoots a person on the wagon using a method out of control of the shooter at all protown?

[The Great Crep'er]

[The Great Crep'er]

And me hogging all the attention at this point is the most fitting thing that could be happening in this game! I'm Rupert for god's sake. I rarely begin a sentence where the main subject isn't 'Me, myself, and I'. The only people who could be pulling this off as well are Russell and Stephenie. It's like you are all the little Jonny Fairplays of my game running around and acting as if I'm so conspicuous.

[Jedo the Jedi]

[jadesmar]

Vote: Deception

For being 3rd on the bandwagon and someone I don't like very much.

[Amb]

You know what would be horribly needless, cruel, unfair and hilarious. Lynching Jadesmar on day 1 for no reason.

Actually, he has had a bad run of late. Not getting past day 1 for ... 3 games? or more?

[jadesmar]

[Deception]

[Mackay]

TCG: you have started throwing Rupert flavour into your replies post-claim. What influenced your decision to not do so pre-claim, instead making a point of using "eat yo rice", a (correct me if I'm wrong here) Crystal Cox line, for flavour?

I am less satisfied with your posting than I was before you decided to start getting super heavy-handed with the "look at me! I'm Rupert! REALLY!" posting. If someone didn't believe your claim before, they're certainly not going to do so after such a display of desperation. Heck, I did believe your claim before, and now I'm back to neutral/undecided.

Jedo: I'm actually a big fan of metagaming (in terms of game structure guesses, etc). Partly because it's fun to speculate, and partly because it's informative to hear what people think about the potential setup of a game. When you talk about how "we" do things at the GL, who are you talking about?

Something I really dislike is when people do the whole "X is making me suspicious, but I'm not going to say why yet" thing. Withholding information is generally (though not always) disadvantageous for the town, even at such a small level. If you were to get killed then we would never have the piece of information that might help contribute to the case against a possibly scummy player.
vote: Jedo the Jedi, based on the above principle (non-pro-town behaviour), and also the fact that he is making little "hmm, interesting post here" statements and posts while not actually giving the rest of the town much to work with him on. It's also both suspicious and a little irritating (sorry Jedo ) that he's beefing up all of his posts about how he plays the game, what he thinks is the best way to play the game, how long he's been playing the game, and how "we" do things here. It gives the impression of him contributing a lot, while actually yielding very little substance/information.

[Mackay]

Sorry for the double post, I thought I was done but another thing stood out too:

For some reason I feel like Deception is determined to carry out a TGC lynch, and I don't know what to make of it.

It's specifically these two posts:

[Jedo the Jedi]

[ralphmerridew]

TGC's actions strike me as odd... Not scummy or innocent, but odd. Day 1 bandwagons form and falter at the drop of a hat. It seems early to claim. (Well, I've thought of one possible explanation for quick-claiming. I'm not revealing it because there's not much evidence for it, and doing so would help the scum more than the town.)

I've never watched the Survivor TV series, though I've heard a few bits about it. (Like the Gervase fake-out one year.)

With 22 seasons, and 16 people per season (minus repeaters), and only 16 players, there's a lot of room for false claims. I doubt the mafia would get safe claims.

[jadesmar]

[Sentran]

To TGC the prolific...

[Jedo the Jedi]