SURVIVOR MAFIA- TOWN WINS reunion show

[The Great Crep'er]

[jadesmar]

[The Great Crep'er]

Co-defeating: I use that term because while she technically did outperform the men in question it wasn't (to me anyways) all her own doing. In PI concerning Jon, there was Lill winning immunity and then Lill defeating herself with all her past actions. In HvV, it was a lot of Russell not going along with Parvati's plan to oust Sandra, and his own self destruction, allowing Sandra to get to the end where ultimately she kicked his arse. But due to the F3 mechanic, Parvati was also there.

I don't think we'll get too much groundwork off of this. When we lynch someone, let it be off their own posts and merit, y'know, just to be safe in case the mod decides to eff with us.

[jadesmar]

[Sentran]

Since Mackay (in a sense) supported Jedo's claim of out-of-game miscommunication between the two of them, Unvote.

So far, what I've done today by my "strange" play is prove the link between Zag and Deception (by both of them). If Zag had not responded to the question, I'd definitely be pointing both barrels at Deception. I've also proven a minor, albeit out-of-game, link between Jedo and Mackay. These links help me make more informed decisions on who to badger.

ralphmerridew, your play has been nearly nonexistent for the first 2 days, and is only increasing today due to the attention being paid to you. The rapid increase is not enough reason to ignore your lurking and attempts to avoid attention. Vote: ralphmerridew

BTW, I'm Bob Crowley.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Deception]

I'd support a ralphmerridew lynch, but I want a votecount first.

Also - while I know nothing about flavor and how the previous name flips have matched up to their roles, if they are matching well, then we should stop speculating much about names. It's borderline rolefishing and anti-town. We can nameclaim to trap scum, but we shouldn't publicly theorize because we might accidentally out something.

[The Great Crep'er]

[jadesmar]

[Zag]

So jadesmar and Sentran have made the same claim. jadesmar has it spelled incorrectly but Sentran's is later and didn't remark on jadesmar's claim. This makes me think that he didn't even notice it, which seems more likely for a real claim than a fake one. He would have checked the existing claims more carefully before making a fake claim. On the other hand, the fact that it was spelled wrong might have caused him to miss it (if he were using browser search to check for specifically that name).

I'm inclined to find jadesmar the more suspicious from this little snafu, but I want to see Sentran's reaction before voting.

[jadesmar]

My guess is that he picked up on the mod's spelling mistake and is trying to turn that into a townie lynch.

But I really don't have much more to add to the conversation.

[Jedo the Jedi]

Wow. Worked like a charm.

Let's finish the name claim. I'm sure we won't get so lucky again, but I think the names may still be enlightening.
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Paragon Tally: 18 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Undercover Monk]

We may have a problem. I posted all the roles of the game on a survivor-big brother fan site. and while looking for info on their role someone came across the link to said listing. They did not say what if anything they saw. Its possible they didnt even click the link. BUT SO EVERYONE KNOWS. The listing is labled as Survivor Mafia Roles and references my username in the link itself. please do not click on the link if you see it.

For role info please stick to Wikipedia as it contains all the info you are likely to need. You may also use specific wikis EDIT: but most are written by fans who may or may not know what they are talking about.

will update you on the situation as it unfolds but please continue to play as normal til then a mod-kill or replacement will not take the place of a lynch. unless you guys decide to vote no lynch.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[ralphmerridew]

I'm Ben "Coach" Wade.

[Mackay]

I was sitting here having trouble expressing my thoughts on Sentran/jadesmar when rm made his post, so I want to get this out before there are any more claims:

Considering that everyone started falling all over themselves to spill their role names as soon as Amb posted a list, can I at least make one request? I would like to hear Jedo's claim next. He's anomalously low on Amb's list, IMO - I don't understand the rationale for placing him so low when the claim of, say, Deception, isn't going to be all that enlightening as a probable cultist. Jedo's top of my scum list (well, he was before Sentran and jadesmar both shot up to being a 50% chance!) so I don't like seeing him with that much leeway.

In a gesture of goodwill I'll offer to claim before Deception, if Jedo goes first, so that my own spot on the list remains consistent. It's not as though Deception can say anything that would ever convince the town to lynch him anyway. He could say "I'm Russell Hantz!" and everyone would be all "aw shucks, that's just Deception".

Yeah I'm in a bit of a mood tonight. (I've been woken up by an annoying phone call and now I can't sleep.) That's why I'm not even going to touch UM's post - everything I think about saying sounds unkind.

[Sentran]

I'm a poor player this game. I don't even notice that my role name was claimed by someone else before my time to claim. Here's my explanation, and you can make your own decisions based on that.
I've been tempted since day 2 to ask for a replacement due to out-of-game reasons. I'm in the middle of a move to a new house, which we found to be horribly infested by fleas. I'm also picked up on 5-day orders for the next two weeks in the military, and we're gearing up for our massive annual pirate-themed camping trip (where I'm running several events this year). I'm exhausted and short on time, so I do my best to read through the thread when I can but I feel like I'm missing a lot.
By the way, I've never watched even one episode of Survivor, and I haven't had the time to look up the names that have been claimed. I've been trusting in the information put across the list to help me make decisions, and trying to play by Mafia theory alone.
Unvote, Vote:jadesmar
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Deception]

[Mackay]

Regarding our two Bobs, I'm really torn.

Throughout the game overall, I've found Sentran to be more 'off' in his behaviour, and I think that he yields a strong lead on Aniima. I would have chosen to vote him over jadesmar right up until they both claimed. His voting patterns have seemed strange and his tone contrived.

Based on the claim itself I would be more inclined to think jadesmar was mafia. It's not the misspelling exactly, but the attributing of it to the mod. A few posts ago, jadesmar went to the trouble of reading up on Sandra because someone claimed the character. That kind of attentiveness just doesn't seem consistent with him not noticing a misspelling in his own role, if he'd had it all along. I just think he'd also have done a wiki search for his own character.
Also, the paranoia is starting to bubble about how much I agree with him on everything and whether that could be intentional on his part, either to link with me or because eradicating cultists serves mafia interests almost as much as it does town's.

I don't know for whom I would vote, if forced to choose between the two of them (I've changed my mind between the two of then 4 or 5 times while writing this post), and I still would like to make sure that the cult is not a danger, so I'll keep my vote on Deception at least until morning when both my thoughts and expression will be a little clearer - I'm sure there is plenty of stuff I'm missing/not seeing/not remembering right now. I wouldn't mind a thorough re-read, either.

Anyway, we now know that mafia and cult are separate, and that mafia don't have safe claims! That's good info to start with.

I hope I can get back to sleep now, I'm exhausted and starting to get sick

[Zag]

Between them, I find vote: jadesmar to be the more suspicious.

[jadesmar]

I have asked to be replaced due to finding game breaking information. This will be my final post in this game.

[Sentran]

I'm honestly sorry to see anyone go in this fashion. I always hate out-of-game effecting in-game, which is why I'm upset with my own lack of attention this game.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Jedo the Jedi]

I don't mind claiming next. (And for the record, multiple people spoke up saying Amb's idea was fine, so we weren't "falling all over ourselves" so much as following through with the plan.)

I am Yau-Man Chan.

Regarding the double claim, I was tending toward jadesmar because I had a strong town read of Sentran on Day 1. Anyway, claim on!
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Paragon Tally: 18 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Deception]

Is the name that Sentran and Jadesmar claimed pronounced like Jadesmar spelled it?

[Undercover Monk]

I want to explain what happened with jadesmar and the list but because anything I say could have a potential effect on the game it will have to wait til the end of the game. Instead I will just state my decision on the matter and you will have to trust me as to its fairness.

I am seeking a replacement currently. I am putting a current lynch hold on jadesmar til a replacement is found and has a chance to respond. feel free to vote however but jadesmar's replacement must be allowed a say before/if you decide to kill him. If a replacement can not be found he will be mod-killed which is not a solution I want but jadesmar can not continue to play since he has been compramised. If that happens day WILL continue. a modkill is not a lynch.

I apologize for the situation which is mostly my own fault. I hope you will forgive an error in judgement and continue to play this and any other games I mod in the future. Thank you for your paitence.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Amb]

For the record, Coach was also a villain in the shows. He hated being cast as a villian, but he was a villain. I'd be more inclined to lynch ralphmerridew over whoever it was that claimed Sandra because she turned out to be pretty good in the end.

That said, we need to lynch the Bob Cr-ao-wleys first. (After the name claims)

[Amb]

Ok, I read back:

My take is that Jadesmar claimed, and Sentran counter claimed. Jadesmar went looking for details of his character and found even more than he should have. He was honest and is leaving because of it. His replacement wont be able to do much, because we have to lynch the 'Jadesmar' role right now, because Sentran cross claimed. It's the only option. If there are any names missing, spit them out now in any order, and get to night. We have a bucket load of leads to follow now.

I'm JT - (James "JT" Thomas)

In the dawn:
If Jadesmar or his replacement were mafia, lynch ralphmerridew. Coach is tied to Russell Hantz and while naive, he would make the perfect mafia goon.

Obviously if Jadesmar was town, then lynch Sentran.

Vote Jadesmar
Request Modkill of Jadesmar

In fairness, this modkill should take us out to night. Because either way we gain a lot of information. I don't think a replacement is fair, because they are buggered anyway.

[Mackay]

Oh this really sucks for jadesmar.

I'm Cirie Fields.

[The Great Crep'er]

I'm not entirely sure why Jedo can replace and Garou can't...

[MNOWAX]

[rises from the dead]

Garou can't replace because he has information that the town as a whole is not privvy to.( because he was a mason.)

[dies again]
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MNOWAX

[Undercover Monk]

my decision remains final for very good reasons. with the weekend upon us it may take some time to find a replacement but I have a few feelers out.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Undercover Monk]

Elethiomel has agreed to replace jadesmar the lynch hold remains intact til he has posted a response and will stay in place for 24 hours after said post. other than that the game is back on.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Deception]

I have an idea.

Lets not lynch Sentran or Eleth today. Lets lynch anyone else (not Amb, Zag, or I either of course), and have Zag investigate one of Eleth/Sentran tonight.

Zag will tell you which one is mafia tomorrow.

If we hit mafia today we'll definitely have the upper hand to compensate and on top of that it will help prove Zags' innocence.

It'd be a bad idea for me to risk my wincon if I were cult on a 50/50 chance, so that combined with a correct investigation should convince you all.

We're going to have to lynch someone else eventually anyway so may as well do it now.

[Jedo the Jedi]

You aren't earning yourself any town points with that post. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Translation: nab the scum in front of you before looking elsewhere.
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Paragon Tally: 18 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Amb]

In which case we should lynch ralphmerridew. He has claimed a villain of sorts. And has lurked similarly to Jadesmar who I now 100% believe is scum.

Unvote; Vote ralphmerridew

[Amb]

JTJ: Deceptions point is that we dont know for certain (though I am convinced which way it falls) who is the liar: Jadesmar or Sentran. So let that be sorted later so we dont lynch town by mistake.

[Mackay]

Deception, have you claimed your name already and I missed it, or something?

[Mackay]

Also:

[Mackay]

Oh nm, you're talking about masons. Gotcha. Sorry for the triple post.

[The Great Crep'er]

You have got to be kidding me...

The first HUGE lead we have had in weeks and you want to ignore it? For what purpose? Your own "innocence"? Selfish.

We are not talking about a needle in a haystack here, we are talking about a 50/50 chance at nabbing a bad guy.

[Mackay]

The thing that's alarming me is that Amb instantly agreed and switched his vote despite declaring 100% certainty that jadesmar/Elethiomel was scum.

Uncharacteristic.

I don't know what it means though, as he is certainly not mafia-affiliated and I don't see what the cult would stand to gain from not taking the 50/50.

I'm trying not to get into it too much tonight (it's late here and I'm sleep deprived from last night), but my opinion is that it would be a waste of an investigation to check Sentran/jadesmar, unless the town plans on lynching a cultist today. If you investigate someone else, we get our 50/50 shot today as well as info on an additional player tomorrow. I think that's better.

Of course, that's assuming that Zag can actually investigate - I'm unconvinced of the existence of the investigative power in the first place. I don't like the idea of putting the town's decisions in the hands of Zag and Deception.

I have opinions about the role claims (metagaming, outguess-the-mod types of opinions!), but I'm going to leave it till morning because I'll probably write a lot about them. (It might be better to leave it anyway, as we will have Deception and Zag's role names.)

[Mackay]

Just one more question I want to leave behind for Deception before going to bed: