SURVIVOR MAFIA- TOWN WINS reunion show

[itisally]

Hey, I am here! I seem to have missed the RVS! so much for things following the pattern they always do.

Deception is pushy, that is what I expect. If he was, all of a sudden, not dogmatic in his posts that would be scummy.

I don't really know TGC, but he seems to have over reacted. If he had not responded so vehemently the wagon would have likely crumbled. I also really dislike quoting entire (large) posts and then bolding. It implies that I don't read it the first time. This is especially true if you don't comment on why it is important.

Because we are out of RVS and no one looks bad to me I will with hold my vote. However I would like us to entertain the possibility that there can be only one winner in a survivor game. It is just an Idea I have been kicking around and the way the Mod intro'ed the game with 15 players and one survivor, and night kills being a tribal council of surprise votes. It would make the game unique if we had to vote all the way down to just two people and then the past players got to vote for the final one (that's how the show does it right? I am not really familiar with it.)
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[Garou_Kinfolk]

I don't think I've ever seen soo many posts over the weekend. This game should be interesting.

On Deception. So far I have not seen anything out of the ordinary for his play style. If anything I see him getting more calm with each game he plays here.

On TGC. I also believe he has overreacted and clamed too early. But I can't see it as scummy as I would probably do the sam with waiting until L-2 before I claimed.

On Jedo. So far I see him playing very similarly to the way he had in the Game of Thrones game. He was scum then, so I actually feel comfortable leaving my vote on him for now.
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[ralphmerridew]

itisally: Alien Mafia, way back when, was run on the "only one winner" rule.

[The Great Crep'er]

Don't have much time to be on here, will post more on the latest posts later. This just struck out to me like a lightning bolt.

[Amb]

Just throwing out there... Jedo is currently giving me a bad vibe. Nothing concrete at this stage though.

[Sentran]

I think I understand the TGC playstyle now. Either you agree with him unquestioningly, or you're obviously scum (and foolish to boot). I'm certainly glad he's town, else we would all be in trouble. [/sarcasm]

[ralphmerridew]

FOS: Sentran That sort of comment I've always read as "Amb's not saying exactly what it is that feels scummy, because he's not sure exactly what it is."

[Sentran]

Fair enough rm, I see how it could be read that way. I was remembering the comment (I think it was Zag) where he said something along the lines of "I saw something scummy in that last post, did anyone else catch it?" At any rate, I am far from understanding who or what is scummy at this point. Unvote: Amb.
I will still be watching Amb to see if he's trying to use the subtle persuasion techniques to lead lynches for him. FOS: Amb.
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"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[The Great Crep'er]

For point 1 I was asking you a simple question, I see nothing to be bothered about there.

For point 2 I was stating that in noting in your definition of building a case that Deception had acted on some of the qualities you listed.

Bah @ you. No reason to be snarky, we simply disagree.

[Amb]

I'm as subtle as a brick through a glass window when I genuinely think someone is scum. I don't think Jedo can be read at this stage, just an off vibe I got which may be nothing. Even if someone triggers a gut feeling in me, it's too early to really be convinced of anything much right now.

I think the screeds of 'analysis' by TGC on page 1 and the lack of posts on which he bases this analysis - suggests he is either manic paranoid, or scum. Eitherway, I see no reason right now to change my vote.

[Amb]

Though: I do so a lot of similarities between a TGC wagon, and the ones on Deception from other games. Limelight stealers! And they don't survive long because the more they talk the guiltier they make themselves look.

[Amb]

So = See

[Lifeinmomland]

I am not seeing scummy in the Decpetion/TCG debacle. Just the usual response to people misunderstanding and what not. Maybe I will see more in it when someone has popped mafia.

I am going to remove my silliness vote. UNVOTE

As to TGC claim I didn't watch Survivor, to busy surviving my own life but the name is familiar. I don't feel one way or the other about a lynch on him. I like chatter, it is needed for play but I have to admit half way through reading I thought ^{"Do I really need to read these long posts? I mean really it is just gonna be re-posted later with bolds..."} I did read them, and most of them I understand why they happened but I feel if this level of over doing it continues we are going to miss important things and possibly give mafia ammo.
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[The Great Crep'er]

A few quick responses to some points brought up:

rm: On the topic of Survivor (being what seems like one of the few fans of the show on the player roster) there are currently 24 seasons to choose from (I don't exactly remember what UM said about which seasons he was choosing from, if anything, so forgive me if I miss some factoid like that). Not all seasons have had 16 players, in fact, in most current seasons it seems that a frequent number is 20 players.

Mackay: Very acute observance. Why not flavor Rupert before? Like I said, there was not much wiggle room between L-2 and L-3. If people wish to make a grievance about it and say that my claim was one vote away from being acceptable, so be it. But making no bets about what happens in this game based on past games and making predictions just based on what has happened in this game thus far, I felt it was best to claim before too long with just three votes away and having Crep'er votes catch on like wildfire. No "this was likely to happen" scenario for me, there are no safe bets in a game of...deception. *rimshot*
But, basically, there was not much time to focus on roleplaying before I felt my claim time had approached (very prematurely). At least from my perspective, not sure what other post I could have worked a pirate roar into or a "Go Drake!" without detracting from the point.
Just an observation: It seems like you might be making assumptions on the type of mafia we're dealing with. While it's true that a player like Deception, if he were mafia, his best move would be to not be as prevalent this early in the game to make less of an impact on the big radar, the town should not take total stock that our roles are linked. We differ on this issue, but I know that if I were mafia, and one of my partners was flailing about, my last resort would be to bus them at the beginning of the game.
Game sizes like these (between small 12ers and large, grand 21ers) usually have a medium sized mafia. I feel like it would be hard for the opposition to lose anyone at this point, considering the playcycle is still in its infancy, and a scum lynch can set the tone for the rest of the game. I'm not sure if Deception differs that much on the issue, not based on any playstyle he was raised on, but just by simple logic and fear of losing the game.
Walk in his shoes. If you're arguing against the guy who's spearheading your lynch (which is not very successful at this point with simply me and jadesmar) would you choose to shrink away after calling them scum multiple times? Regardless of his alignment, and this is just a guess, I feel like he feels there is an obligation to be locked in this battle considering he and Jedo are tied for second and he has done this much in expressing his power thus far, which is very hard to come by in a mafia game. If he gives up the TGC lynch, he gives up the influence.
I would've figured that after his "I misread you" post that he would have unvoted, considered my points and either agreed or rebutted them based on his own standing. But it looks like that won't be happening. And, whether you choose to look at it this way or not, he is the one who has embodied this lynch the entire time. Without his suspicions and vote, Amb doesn't have a wagon to latch onto and neither does Jedo. (MNOWAX at this point remains questionably absent. I figured he would've either confirmed agreement or unvoted at this point, weird.)

Jedo: I'm saddened to hear that your wish is to have my lynch happen soon to prevent claimage. I feel, whether you believe me or not, whether you choose to lynch me or not, that it is your duty as the presumed townsman you are to poke and prod out as much information as you can from the day phases. Instead, you have been reclusive about your talking points, much the opposite of those who wish for more information. Your arguments, whether it is for your preserving of suspicions, against those who would wish to claim as early as this, are based on future events of the game. Face reality, you stand a shot at either getting lynched or killed by the mafia at this point. Why take for granted the time you have now? Just like real life, you never, never, never, never, never have a guarantee that today will not be your last. Carpe diem, my friend!

And I find it really weird that Amb has kept his vote on me, switched his radar, and has posted as little as humanly possible about his suspicions. For people who post almost as much as I do you think someone might be able to dig up more than a "vibe" as to what his alignment is. I suspect there is more there. I give you the same advice I gave Jedo.

[Deception]

Jeez, you post massive walls man. It's going to get really hard to catch up if you keep this rate up. But I read your most recent post and I'll say that I am being less prevalent and aggressive because it doesn't fit this site. This site helps me keep my game calm and mature, because when I play on Mafiascum, there's a lot of incentive to act like a 13 year old boy.

Your speculation is very meaningless - I'm not even going to argue it though because I don't want to get into a walling war over something that's highly unlikely to convince anyone.

[The Great Crep'er]

[The Great Crep'er]

[The Great Crep'er]

To support Post 97:

[Jedo the Jedi]

[Captin Aniima]

Hey what's up people. As Sentran (dad) said I am on vacation and have had little time to look at the thread. Also I am using a device that has word replacing spell check whether I want it to or not. -.-

So far what I see here is a TLDR for TGC (who seems rather defensive too fast to me) I haven't heard of survivor. When I first signed up it was because it was the only game available. Though I still don't know anything about Survivor I thought "UM seemed to be a good player in the GoT game I hope he's an even better MOD." so I said I would join. I was hoping to not have Deception in this game... But I will play nice. Other than that I'm not going to throw out a vote yet simply because I read through as best as I could to make sure I haven't missed anything and still couldn't find a reason to vote.

Because I haven't heard of Survivor I will be a little hesitant to post but I won't just stop posting for days like the last game.
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[Amb]

[itisally]

Amb, I can agree with you there, although we have moved out of the RVS there are still people just checking in to let us know that they are on.

Jedo is right that a lynch has to happen and it is unlikely to actually catch scum, although that won't stop me from trying ! I don't want a lot of claims or to move to quickly either.

SO in that vain (and to change topics) While I don't like claims early it is hard to express what will get or change my vote on day one. So much of it for me has to do with gut feeling this early in the game as there is little evidence and I know so little to begin with. I find that I am often leaning on previous experiences and looking for anomalous (some say this is meta gaming) Or I am looking to be persuaded. I know that I have to avoid voting for strong personalities and prolific posters just because they catch my eye and lurking doesn't make scum.

What about you guys (yes, I know some will see this as telling the mafia how to convince us, so no obligation to answer. I just want to generate a less venomous culture)
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[Mackay]

Amb: I actually disagree, I love day 1 for lookng at potential links between players (though admittedly, it becomes much more useful with a couple of game-days in between. That's why I love replacing in halfway through).

I've got more to say, but I have errands to run and spent, like, the last hour writing a PM instead of posting in the mafia thread. I'll redeem myself later on.

[Sentran]

[Lifeinmomland]

[The Great Crep'er]

Lol, I love that Sentran is Aniima's father. The image of a father-son(daughter?) scumhunting team is adorable for some reason.

@Amb: IMO = My post on page one, while longer, didn't seem to be that more analytical than yours to reason your vote. We both used previous histories. We both characterized each other's playstyles. Yours is obviously different, but you adamantly refuse to expand on it for whatever reason. Agree to disagree? *extends hand*

Tomorrow I will attempt to be less centralized on those on my wagon and take up the advice offered countlessly in this thread: to examine other players and not hog the attention, for the good of the town.

[Sentran]

For the record, I'm married to Lifeinmomland, and Aniima is our daughter.
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"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[The Great Crep'er]

[Amb]

[ralphmerridew]

Vote: Amb for getting TGC's name wrong.

[Zag]

I've been following the show for a while and haven't said much, only because I haven't had anything interesting to say. I didn't want to stay quiet for too long and be accused of lurking, so I decided to jump in even though I still don't have much to say.

I don't think a lot of TGC's posting style: quoting other posts and just bolding some (or nearly all!) of the post and adding little or nothing. But I don't really think it's scummy, just unhelpful.

I'm thrilled that Mackay's back playing!! I have always found her to be incredibly perceptive and I'm looking forward to playing this game where I'm not fearful of that perception. (That is, in the past I have always been scum when she and I were in the same game.) I am desperately hoping she is town this time.

Jedo is saying all the same Day 1 things that he says as scum, but I'm pretty sure he says those as town, too. I find myself alternately agreeing and disagreeing with him. He is basically saying that the first bandwagon that forms should be brought to a lynch in order to avoid causing several people to claim (thereby outing our power roles), but if everyone had that same policy, then we wouldn't actually learn anything from that first lynch: Even those pivotal 5th and 6th votes could just be people following their stated policy. I guess he's counting on learning more from what people say when they vote, but I don't put a lot of stock in it.

Captin A, I never got a chance to apologize to you for my attack on you last game. You need to understand that I was scum and pretty much manufacturing it.

The scummiest behavior I've seen so far is Amb, but it's really mild. It's based NOT on his earlier inability to count, but on his response (or lack thereof) when it was pointed out.

There you go: that's my "See, I'm not lurking" post with extremely little useful content. I just haven't made any useful observations.

[Undercover Monk]

[Sentran]

[Jedo the Jedi]

[The Great Crep'er]

Add me to the concerned about MNO's absence group. Although it is somewhat understandable considering he is busy currently with two games in VG, it still gives off a tinge of a lurker signal, which isn't exactly the popular choice in a mafia game.

[itisally]

I have often said that nothing good comes out of day one until someone gets angry. Pushing bandwagons acomlishes that. Jedo is happy so long as it is some one and I can count on him to not claim because he thinks it is a bad idea on day 1.

I think this makes him a great day one lynch based on his own policy. Not Random, but not really scum hunting either, but maybe a change in the action, lets argue about this

Vote: Jedo

I will worry about MNO tomorrow. He does have a lot on his plate.
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[The Great Crep'er]

[MNOWAX]

i originally /outed on this game, but was brought back in. I have been (admittedly amused while doing so) reading the game. I'll give my thoughts since my last post in 24 hours or so.

All I have to say is this, My vote stays where it is for the time being, now as a non-joke vote.
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[Amb]

[Amb]

The other comment of Jedo's that caused me to stop and think: "I get a pretty strong town vibe from Sentran. It's mostly the tone of his post(s), I guess." If JTJ is mafia, he can quite safely make an assertion like that. Again, I could go either way with it. So I don't want to base a lynch on it. Not on day 1 when there is no other compelling evidence.