Heroes and Villains mafia - The town claim victory

[Zag]

[MNOWAX]

I noticed 3iff was looking for a replacement. If i am chosen as such, I'm already up to date with the thread, FYI.
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MNOWAX

[Amb]

Way too late MNO, I replaced in. Unless there is a new one.

[The Great Crep'er]

[The Great Crep'er]

And @MNOWAX: A hearty welcome! I assume you're replacing jadesmar, as he hasn't posted to the GL in nearly two weeks.

[MNOWAX]

[MNOWAX]

[3iff]

The speculation is correct. As from this moment, MNOWAX will replace the absent jadesmar. Thanks MNO for stepping in.

Role information will be be going out imminently.

[Zag]

Welcome, MNO. If you're scum, signal it by using the word "a" in one of your posts.

[Sentran]

Welcome, MNOWAX. Now, prepare to defend yourself!
So far your most egregious act was dropping the hammer on Zag (who 4 other people believed was scummy as well). So, since you're not nearly the tight-lipped player that jades is, what do you have to say for yourself, and your scumreads thus far?
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"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[MNOWAX]

My top suspects right at this moment are Amb,and Jedo.

Number 1 Jedo: has made two posts that worry me. First he made it a point to agree with Garou ( buddying up to a townish post he made) in regards to how long day one was then quickly continuing the wagon on rae.

Second, after Zag "clears him" Jedo makes a point to push the fact he is clear, and makes a "if then" link between himself and Zag ( if you believe Zag , then I'm not scum) That's not true. With one confirmed investigator, and one probable one shot investigation, there is a good chance there is a GF out there,especially when the game is so small. ( This is where TGC gets townie points for pointing that out as well)

Okay Amb... well, it's Amb, he hammered. Chaulk it up to instinct, but I think he's scum, so lynch his ass.

My gut at this point screams Jedo right now.

Vote Jedo
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[Garou_Kinfolk]

[quote="Zag"]Well, I'm glad I didn't investigate UMonk -- I had strongly considered it. I investigated Jedo and I got back a verdict of "Not guilty." [quote]

This has been bugging me since I saw it. Why the bold?
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[Amb]

[Garou_Kinfolk]

Let me explain why I ask about the bold in Zags post.

In my paranoid mind, I see an action (investigate Jedo) and a result (not guilty). If it were simply an emphasis, then why bold both parts? Why not just bold the result? My mind has taken this and it now reads, atleast to me, that if anyone now investigates Jedo they'll get an "innocent" result. I could be reading too much into something that is nothing, but I had to ask.
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[Amb]

And FOS MNOWAX for using multiple A's in his post.

[Zag]

[quote="Garou_Kinfolk"][quote="Zag"]Well, I'm glad I didn't investigate UMonk -- I had strongly considered it. I investigated Jedo and I got back a verdict of "Not guilty."

[Zag]

Ok, MNO, I just want to say that you're retarded. Seriously mentally challenged. Either that or scum. I'm still on the fence.

There, with that out of the way.

We have several people who are at least as suspicious, from their behavior, as Jedo, and they haven't been cleared by a cop. Sure, I understand that being cleared by a cop is not 100%, but it's still a strong indicator unless you have some significant reason to think otherwise.

It's as if you're saying: Well, I think there is probably a godfather, and he was cleared by a cop, so he MUST be scum. That's not paranoia, it's ultra-contrariness. Even if we knew for a fact that there is a godfather out there (something I put at less than 30%, anyway), him being cop-cleared still makes him much less likely to be scum than someone who hasn't been investigated at all.

I had already suspected you for trying to hammer me. This clinches it: vote: jadesmar MNOWAX

[Garou_Kinfolk]

Thanks Zag for replying.

Just want to say it was your secret theme game that made me paranoid about bold text. :p
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[MNOWAX]

[Sentran]

GK: Another possible answer for the bold, in my own paranoid mind, is that he has an ability to skew an investigation result, but has to post such in bold in the public thread. If this were the case, it would only make sense if both of them were scum. I figure the odds of this occurring to be small enough that aside from this mention, I'm not giving it much thought.

Amb's comment of "some innocent will get lynched in my place" set off my spidey-senses. It reads to me as if he knows he's not innocent himself. That sort of Freudian slip does not escape my notice. Vote: Amb
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[Zag]

[Garou_Kinfolk]

@Sentran. Everything ib your last post mirrored what I was thinking. I wanted to ask Zag about it to see if he ignored it or brushed it aside. Having answered it without being aggressive puts him farther on my town list. I had also seen Ambs post, but you could say the same about Jedos post when he said he wasn't the GF. He could have said he isn't mafia or scum but he specified GF. I was going to reread Ambs ISO before saying anything about his post.
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[Amb]

[Jedo the Jedi]

MNO, I'm happy to have you aboard, but I need only to look at your title and remember what you bring to this game.

I was just putting out the broad strokes to head off somebody accusing Zag and I of being in cahoots. That's a very unlikely possibility. In my outlining of the situation, I accounted for the other minor possibilities, but statistically I'm likely town now. Those are the two main points I was getting out there.

Amb, I don't know why you think Zag and I trust you, and I'm really still not sure that I trust Zag.

As for game balance, I think you have to go about a 9-player setup like so: 2 mafia max, give them powers so they have a chance, give balancing powers to town. So, I think about this not so much as "what does scum need to counter town?" but "what does town need to counter scum?" You might think this is pedantic, but I think it provides a distinctly different conclusion as to what powers town is likely to have.

Finally, we're all traveling in different directions again. Does nobody have anything good (from powers or insight) to unite the town against a scum?
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[Amb]

The only good lead I can suggest is Garou. His posts in entirety read like a scum, whereas the case against Raekuul was based on 1 post.

[The Great Crep'er]

[Amb]

Because it should be clear from the entirety of my post that it isn't overly serious. It's amazing how often I can put a line in tongue in cheek, and see someone try to twist it to frame me. More often than not, it's an opportunistic scum than a town who is genuinely interesting in catching scum. A townie generally sees it for what it is.

[The Great Crep'er]

Because the hammer vote should be a serious vote. The fact that you are now saying we don't have enough information to draw on from D1 and that Garou's case had more of a base than rae's, shows that you ended the day without any hope of remedying your bemoaned D1 situation and that you voted rae when clearly you didn't think he was the scummiest player. Why do that?
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[MNOWAX]

[Garou_Kinfolk]

Does anyone else hear the Jeopardy theme music?

*Waits for Ambs reply*
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[Jedo the Jedi]

[Amb]

I'm intending to respond fully, but I'm busy for a few more hours. If you guys are prepared to wait...

But I will say this: "Because the hammer vote should be a serious vote." - Again TGC shows that he doesn't understand the basics of day 1. There are no cases where you can be sure of anything on day 1. Any lynch is about as probable as any other on day 1.

I'll try to expand later when I have finished work. 10:44am here, and I work until 5. (I shouldn't even be online)

[The Great Crep'er]

[Amb]

Unfortunately, the baseless case against me has forced my hand. We absolutely cannot afford to lynch a townie. Lynching no one in that situation is better, because at dawn tomorrow we will have only lost the mafia target (if even that).

It's made worse by TGC's awful play day 1, and total impatience in waiting for me to make a full post. So now I am going take the time.

End the day

[The Great Crep'er]

Amb, what you did borders on flat out immaturity. Your move could very well cost town their last free lynch. (If the 2/7 ratio speculations are correct) Instead of just allowing people to place their votes on you and come down and have a discussion, you're using powers for your own selfish gain. So no, you won't die today, but that doesn't necessarily prevent an innocent townie from dying tonight, and putting us in a bad spot tomorrow. Not sure what the move accomplished other than delaying the answers and giving yourself preferential treatment. And worst of all, you cheat the town out of yet another valuable day of discussion.

What made this idea okay in your head?

[Amb]

The free lynch isn't a free lynch if you use it to lynch a townie.

[Garou_Kinfolk]

[The Great Crep'er]

And maybe if you had been patient and waited until the time where you could make a fuller post, you wouldn't have had your hand "forced". My vote wasn't even on you until you went and quoted me, and proceeded to make some baseless criticism off of it. The game should not be about blaming everyone else for your mistakes. You have to be accountable for your actions.

And yes, in the process of making these debating points, I have gained some insight into just how much of an asshole I was acting like the day before. But there's a difference between "save one person" and "cut off the entire day to save one person". That shit's nuclear.
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[The Great Crep'er]

[Garou_Kinfolk]

Ok. So I've thought about whar Amb has done in relation to my power, and I'm effectively useless in that area. Here's why.

I am Frodo Baggins. With the power of the one Ring I am unlynchable.

In our current situation with tomorrow being LoL, I can't see my power being much good. No, I don't know of the day would end with a no lynch or if it would have rolled down to the next person. I'm posting my claim now because I believe that tomorrow there'll be a mass claim and I'm just getting it out of the way now.

This is also why I didn't care if I got votes.
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