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jadesmar
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 Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:14 am Post subject: 481 |
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| Garou_Kinfolk wrote: |
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| What's keeping you from stabbing a kitten? |
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Noted.
My example was meant to be something that would be so counter to your personality that you would never dream of doing it, and certainly would not succumb to peer pressure to do it.
I went too far. Apologies to all. |
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:17 am Post subject: 482 |
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| I don't like that spyrl has confused "makes disgusting examples" with "is mafia" but, that's her prerogative. |
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Garou_Kinfolk
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:18 am Post subject: 483 |
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Thank you for apologizing.
Something else I would never do, like Jar Jar Binks, except in Lego Star Wars where you can actually kill him, repeatedly. It's fun to throw R2 off of cliffs using force powers too. 
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spyrl
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:22 am Post subject: 484 |
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| Answered above. |
No, you didn't. Sticking your head in the sand or your fingers in your ears going "la la la la la" and deliberately ignoring facts doesn't create a "position of weakness." It only makes you look like you are too lazy to bother to catch up to where everyone else is or scummy because you already know who the scum are and don't need to read back to find them.
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:28 am Post subject: 485 |
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| spyrl wrote: |
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No, you didn't. Sticking your head in the sand or your fingers in your ears going "la la la la la" and deliberately ignoring facts doesn't create a "position of weakness." It only makes you look like you are too lazy to bother to catch up to where everyone else is or scummy because you already know who the scum are and don't need to read back to find them. |
Um, what exactly do you think I mean when I say "position of weakness".
I am saying that I meant to create a position where I look like I am "too lazy to bother to catch up to where everyone else is or scummy because you already know who the scum are". To see who attacks most vehemently.
I thought I made that clear. Later, when you find out that I'm town, the information should be useful.
It's really the only strategy I have left in this game because I'm always lynched the day I join. |
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:34 am Post subject: 486 |
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| Answered above. |
No, you didn't. Sticking your head in the sand or your fingers in your ears going "la la la la la" and deliberately ignoring facts doesn't create a "position of weakness." It only makes you look like you are too lazy to bother to catch up to where everyone else is or scummy because you already know who the scum are and don't need to read back to find them. |
Also, why do I need to read back to find scum, it's my belief that I already found three, well.. more likely only two of the three are scum.
The fact that you believe it's necessary to familiarize yourself with the entire history of the game to make a useful contribution does not mean that it's necessary to familiarize yourself with the entire history of the game to make a useful contribution. |
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Sniklac16
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:09 am Post subject: 487 |
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Raearia
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:01 am Post subject: 488 |
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Ok I for one am not scum. You are however the replacement for TGC correct? I thought he was scum and your attitude thus far is making me feel like I was correct. I get it, your "Style" is not to read anything yet blindly choose who is scum or town to you. Unfortunately that doesn't fly to me.
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| And, it's pretty easy to ascertain that I'm going to be lynched or murdered at a period not too long in the future and, the hope is that someone will look back and see when this happened. |
Seriously? ALL of us have the chance of being lynched or NK'd not to long in the future. It's easy to say hey if I am killed look at this and you have your scum! That is an argument any of us legit townies can use. Doesn't mean diddly squat if you are not making a good case for yourself. From your posts all I can gather is 1) you don't care enough to read through the thread to look for ACTUAL clues. 2) You contradict yourself in a few times. 3) You are getting overly defensive when you could have just given a simple this is who I view as town/scum and why.
Vote: Jadesmar
FOS: People I am suspicious of that could go either direction.
Jedo- has some good points with town vibes yet has a few scummy mannerisms in his wording.
Sentran- same as Jedo
GK- I feel like he is being an opportunist in his recaps to be self serving
Town: People I feel are town
Myself because I am a townie
Spyrl I think she is being passionate enough about finding scum that she isn't bluffing.
Scum: People I feel are mafia
DP- His entire posting in this game has had me on edge.
Jades- I feel the attitude being portrayed is to contradictory to be town
Esme Her lack of posting and lack of contribution when she does makes me feel like she is skating by trying to go undetected.
Not sure: People I just don't have a read on
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raekuul
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:41 pm Post subject: 489 |
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| jadesmar on 11/26 wrote: |
Hiya,
Reading thread.
unvote
In case I'm voting for someone. |
| jadesmar on 12/7 wrote: |
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Then instead of complaining about how everybody is misinterpreting your silence and lack of content, why don't you answer Spyrl's question.
Who do you feel is town, and why? |
Because I haven't done the required reading.
And, I didn't suggest they were misinterpreting my lack of content, they are just drawing the wrong conclusions from it. |
1) You had at least a week to do the "required reading", and you even said in your first post that you were doing that. Yet you still haven't?
2) That's, uh, what misinterpreting is. |
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Jedo the Jedi
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:00 pm Post subject: 490 |
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Wow. This is one of the problems I have with the majority of players on this site:
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| I don't like that spyrl has confused "makes disgusting examples" with "is mafia" |
or in my own words, "players confuse 'antagonism' with 'is mafia'." Seriously, which scum is going to say, "I didn't go back and read anything when I replaced in"? That's not scummy, that's just not the best play style in the opinion of most of us. You guys have done this to Deception twice, and now you are doing it to jadesmar. Guess who wasn't scum either of those previous times?
Now, raekuul has brought up something which is reasonably scummy because it seems to be contradictory. I would like to hear jadesmar's response to the discrepancy between "reading thread" and "haven't done the required reading."
Raearia, what about TGC made you think he was scum? Simply the fact that he was a lurker? If so, I don't think that's much of a basis to carry over to jadesmar.
Since it was listed, I find it interesting, Garou, that I'm at the top of your scum list. I started this day with being town, but after one lengthy discussion over word choice, I'm the most scummy person. How exactly does that work? I guess it isn't surprising considering how quickly jadesmar moved up the list.
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:38 pm Post subject: 491 |
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1) You had at least a week to do the "required reading", and you even said in your first post that you were doing that. Yet you still haven't?
2) That's, uh, what misinterpreting is. |
1) Yup. I realized a couple days ago that it wasn't going to happen. I could have waited longer in case I ever felt like going back and reading, or I could actually just start playing. I chose playing.
2) Fair enough. What I meant was yes, I'm too apathetic to go back and read the thread and I now appear to be lurking, that was a correct interpretation of my lack of content. The conclusion drawn from that was that I was scummy, which is an incorrect conclusion. |
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:45 pm Post subject: 492 |
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Ok I for one am not scum. You are however the replacement for TGC correct? I thought he was scum and your attitude thus far is making me feel like I was correct. I get it, your "Style" is not to read anything yet blindly choose who is scum or town to you. Unfortunately that doesn't fly to me.
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Ok, firstly
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| Ok I for one am not scum. |
is a sentence that could be equally uttered by anyone in the game. So, no meaningful information can be drawn from that. (Maybe it's more likely to be uttered by scum. I haven't done a full analysis)
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| I get it, your "Style" is not to read anything yet blindly choose who is scum or town to you. |
Not blindly, that is a strawman argument. Nothing about my actions says that I am choosing blindly, I have given sound reasons for everyone I have found suspicious, and for my vote. |
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Raearia
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:18 pm Post subject: 493 |
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This was in response to when I was asking why we were having a conversation that could cause arguments and zag said "The best approach as town is to be scrupulously honest and forthright." To which UM agreed with:
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Here here. For the first time in a long time I agree wholeheartedly with Zag. hint: TGC.. |
Then TGC quoted the above quote and said:
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And the continuing senseless beating of a dead horse continues. -_- |
I don't see how telling the truth can be considered a dead horse. Which is why I am pegging TGC as scum. I was waiting for more from TGC but it never happened and then Jades replaced him and waiting on more posts to confirm my thoughts, which I feel like I am getting.
So to answer your question Jedo that is the inkling I got about TGC.
Jades I guess for me I don't see any sound reasoning in any of your posts, I'm sorry. In one post you say you are reading, in another you say you aren't going to because it isn't your style.. which is a contradiction. You say you have given sound reasoning for those you find suspicious and for your vote. Yet I can't find that post anywhere in this thread. Could you please show me which post it was?
Also on the note of me stating I'm not scum. Yes I understand it can be said by anyone in this game, but in this case it is true. I am town plain and simple, whenever I die in this game that will come out as being truth.
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Jedo the Jedi
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:55 pm Post subject: 494 |
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| Where I said "So, puting pressure on lurkers seems like a good idea but you also want to vote for people who put pressure on lurkers.. wtf? " That was quite clearly me pointing out Sentran's hypocrisy. My posts are short, I'm not sure how you missed that. |
This is jadesmar's flagship example of his sound reasoning. It is an explanation of a previous post. Now, you can disagree with just how sound or reasoned it is, but jadesmar did share some thoughts.
As for that TGC thing, I can explain that. It's from another game where TGC lied to the town to protect himself and his power. The town was upset by this decision. Monk was chastising TGC again from something which happened two games ago. TGC is understandably tired of it being brought up. So, he wasn't speaking against honesty.
Enough defending another player for now. You guys should at least pick better arguments/reasons for going after somebody. Plus, now you guys have let the same lurkers fade into the background once again.
esme, get in here and respond.
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:59 pm Post subject: 495 |
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| Jades I guess for me I don't see any sound reasoning in any of your posts, I'm sorry. In one post you say you are reading, in another you say you aren't going to because it isn't your style.. which is a contradiction. |
I have explained this. Also, you might see it as a contradiction, but its a meaningless one at best. Which means that it adds to my feelings that you are attempting to cast dispersions on me with meaningless crap.
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You say you have given sound reasoning for those you find suspicious and for your vote. Yet I can't find that post anywhere in this thread. Could you please show me which post it was? |
I'll make it easy on you. Please tell me which of my suspicions you can't find reasoning behind and I'll explain it for you. But, ya I'm probably not going to go back and read through the thread at this point.
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| Also on the note of me stating I'm not scum. Yes I understand it can be said by anyone in this game, but in this case it is true. I am town plain and simple, whenever I die in this game that will come out as being truth. |
You say you understand, but you are still doing it in this paragraph. Nothing in this paragraph could not be said equally by scum or town. |
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Raearia
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:39 pm Post subject: 496 |
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Well Jedo as I had no idea it was a reference to another game, I interpreted it as I saw it. It is pretty frustrating to say the least when things are being said about OTHER games as new player and having no idea that they are about said other games.
In general I am pretty frustrated. We have these players who don't post for weeks. Then when they do its generally one line posts and then on top of it, it feels insulting to have Jades say they are not going to read the thread. Makes me feel like I am being looked down upon that what I have to say is not worth a damn to be looked at.
I feel like this game has been nothing but snark towards eachother and people being dicks. Makes me just not want to play period.
Jades you gave your reasoning's for Sentran but not for myself or Garou.
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:54 pm Post subject: 497 |
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Ok.
Both you and Garou are picking on irrelevant things about my play style in trying to justify your votes on me. That's a mafia tell.
Not reading through the thread after saying that you will is not the sign of mafia.
Jumping into the game when I did, because, quite frankly I'm not going to go back and read the thing, and people shouldn't have to put up with my lurking.... Also not a sign of mafia.
Being suspicious of the people who attempt to turn these non-tells into valid reasons for votes. Not a mafia tell.
I feel people aren't voting for me because they think I'm scum in the game, but because they think in scum in real life. |
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Raearia
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:17 pm Post subject: 498 |
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I don't know you in real life so I have no basis to judge you on in that regard. I know its hard not to have a bias towards people you don't know but I do try to know a person a little before I judge their character in real life.
Picking irrelevant things? I don't feel what I am interpreting is irrelevant. It's a matter of opinion. Just like it's your opinion that what I choose to pick makes me mafia. Just because what I interpret isn't what you feel is an appropriate tell doesn't make what I feel any less valid. This doesn't make me scum, it could make me wrong, but last I checked being wrong doesn't make me scum, it just makes me wrong.
Not reading through the thread after saying that you will is a lie which to me makes it a sign of scum.
Just like I, and others, felt MNO was lying about his "forgetting" he was in this game and to me that made him scum. He turned out to be scum.
I understand jumping in and not wanting to lurk since you replaced someone, but that doesn't change the fact that in my opinion you lied.
A tell and non tell are a matter of opinion. I am voting for you because I feel you lied and your posts don't encourage me to believe otherwise.
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:25 pm Post subject: 499 |
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Theresa significant difference between saying you'll do something and then not finding the time to do it and saying you did something that you didn't do.
I feel you are artificially conflating the two situations and I am ascribing the motivation to do that to you being mafia. |
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Jedo the Jedi
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:02 pm Post subject: 500 |
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I believe this exchange between jadesmar and Raearia to be indicative of their townieness. I confess that the inconsistency raekuul pointed out about jadesmar was suspicious to me, but it's a small thing in a sea of town posts. I think they both make good points about our perceptions of other people through their posts and the pitfalls of scum tells. Plus, both have posted good and much content. That's helpful to me since both were lower in the post counts. Thanks for giving us more to analyze.
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Sentran
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:03 am Post subject: 501 |
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| Theresa significant difference between saying you'll do something and then not finding the time to do it and saying you did something that you didn't do. |
There's also a vast difference between doing what you say you'll do, and not doing it. This is compounded by the fact that you later claim going back and reading is "not your style." That sounds like a flippant dismissal of the facts that are mounting against you, such as the fact that you've been caught in a lie.
My own primary reason for voting you was not due to the lack of reading the thread prior to your arrival, although that factored in. My reasonings, given in post 468, were due to your lack of useful content, your refusal to answer questions, and your general unwillingness to become helpful. At best this makes you a poor townie, but I believe a lot of it is deflection because we have scum in our sites.
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:11 am Post subject: 502 |
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| My own primary reason for voting you was not due to the lack of reading the thread prior to your arrival, although that factored in. My reasonings, given in post 468, were due to your lack of useful content, your refusal to answer questions, and your general unwillingness to become helpful. At best this makes you a poor townie, but I believe a lot of it is deflection because we have scum in our sites. |
Which of those reasons still applies? None of them?
I've given all my reasons, explained my motivations and my suspicions.
So, keep your OMGUS vote on me and keep coming up with weak justifications for it. |
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Sentran
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:13 am Post subject: 503 |
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| I've given all my reasons, explained my motivations and my suspicions. |
Right, because weak responses, dismissive behavior, and an overall negative attitude always encourages me to amend my opinions of people.
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:17 am Post subject: 504 |
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| I've given all my reasons, explained my motivations and my suspicions. |
Right, because weak responses, dismissive behavior, and an overall negative attitude always encourages me to amend my opinions of people. |
My attitude has no bearing on my in game alignment. You haven't justified that leap in logic. |
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raekuul
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:44 am Post subject: 505 |
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| Jadesmar: I have the impression that you do not care who wins this game. This is why I keep picking on you. Your suspicions are limited to what has happened since you have arrived. Your arguments don't take any of TGC's behavior or anyone's previous suspicions of TGC into account (what little behavior/suspicion there was, anyway). The only thing we can really take you at your word on are your motivations, and they don't really matter until we have the benefit of hindsight. |
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:00 am Post subject: 506 |
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| Jadesmar: I have the impression that you do not care who wins this game. This is why I keep picking on you. Your suspicions are limited to what has happened since you have arrived. Your arguments don't take any of TGC's behavior or anyone's previous suspicions of TGC into account (what little behavior/suspicion there was, anyway). The only thing we can really take you at your word on are your motivations, and they don't really matter until we have the benefit of hindsight. |
Your impression is incorrect, I'm mafia hunting.
Also, stirring the pot, that's just cheap and dirty fun for me but sometimes mafia pop out |
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:17 am Post subject: 507 |
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| Your arguments don't take any of TGC's behavior or anyone's previous suspicions of TGC into account (what little behavior/suspicion there was, anyway) |
Given that I haven't gone back to read the previous suspicions of TGC or his actions, obviously my posts will not take those into account.
Let me ask you this:
Is that indicative of a scum role?
If so, in what way?
Would scum or town be more interested in the their own part in the history of the game and suspicions that were put upon them?
Would scum or town be more interested in putting up a united front with a previous incarnation?
Can any of this information be used to find scum? or, is it all irrelevant noise? (that I believe at least two members of the mafia are trying to hide behind) |
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Dragon Phoenix
Judge Doom
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:16 am Post subject: 508 |
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Unless esme shows up soon and posts a remarkable defence, my vote stays. I do not get the jadesmar hunt - Whether you agree with his approach or not, I do not think it is scummy.
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Jedo the Jedi
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:17 pm Post subject: 509 |
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Well, it looks like jadesmar will likely be lynched by the end of the week for marginal scum tells instead of the person who is quite intentionally lurking and absolutely refusing to respond to queries. I guess esme thought you guys wouldn't lynch somebody else for the same crime as the first.
He was right.
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:20 pm Post subject: 510 |
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| I'll probably switch my vote to esme in such a case. |
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:23 pm Post subject: 511 |
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| Jedo the Jedi wrote: |
Well, it looks like jadesmar will likely be lynched by the end of the week for marginal scum tells instead of the person who is quite intentionally lurking and absolutely refusing to respond to queries. I guess esme thought you guys wouldn't lynch somebody else for the same crime as the first.
He was right. |
Which marginal scum tells? |
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Jedo the Jedi
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:38 pm Post subject: 512 |
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| jadesmar wrote: |
| Jedo the Jedi wrote: |
Well, it looks like jadesmar will likely be lynched by the end of the week for marginal scum tells instead of the person who is quite intentionally lurking and absolutely refusing to respond to queries. I guess esme thought you guys wouldn't lynch somebody else for the same crime as the first.
He was right. |
Which marginal scum tells? |
Saying you would read but then not reading. I know you answered that, but we can't know your answer is the truth. It's pretty much the same thing with MNO, except I think there was evidence to show that he actually was lying about "forgetting." We have no such evidence to the contrary of your statement, so it's just a marginal "lie" scum tell. I think the rest of your posts have read pretty town.
That's it. My apology for the plural. Just the one.
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:54 pm Post subject: 513 |
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| It was the plural that I was unclear on. Thanks. |
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raekuul
Lives under a bridge & tells stories.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:44 pm Post subject: 514 |
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I'll go after jades again sometime tomorrow. For now, I'm satisfied enough to think that going after esme will yield better results.
vote: esme |
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raekuul
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:45 pm Post subject: 515 |
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Is that indicative of a scum role?
If so, in what way?
Would scum or town be more interested in the their own part in the history of the game and suspicions that were put upon them?
Would scum or town be more interested in putting up a united front with a previous incarnation?
Can any of this information be used to find scum? or, is it all irrelevant noise? (that I believe at least two members of the mafia are trying to hide behind) |
It's more the fact that we would otherwise be predisposed to suspect/not suspect you based on TGC's previous performance and you're not taking that into account when you form your arguments. |
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Raearia
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:45 pm Post subject: 516 |
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I agree on Esme. I think our votes would be best served there. While I don't agree with Jades attitude and play style thus far in this game, I can't see lynching Jades at this point in time. I have to re- assess my feelings towards them based on the fact that my previous suspicions about TGC had nothing to do with the game and was sort of an inside joke about another game.
Unvote Jades
Vote Esme
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itisally
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:28 am Post subject: 517 |
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I think Esme is a good vote right now. I was thinking scummy when he was first put under pressure for lurking, but it is the contentment with fading back into oblivion when not needing to be on the defensive that bothers me. I think at best we have caught scum and at worst we will eliminate dead weight that can be deadly in the end game.
vote Esme
Other thoughts and impressions?
Jedo is jedo and it at least playing by his principals
Sentran is snarky as always, but also within character.
Jadesmar likes to stir things up, not always a bad thing in mafia
UM touched on TGC's misstep of the past, an unfortunate incident that will impact how well people trust him even if he is town (sorry, but past actions do effect us)
Garou is a little heavy on the charts even for him.
Spyrl seems pretty natural to me right now.
But most of that is general impression of the play so far. I am not big on quotes this early because, as Jadesmar has pointed out, Mafia lie. I would add to that that Townies change their minds all the time, they have to or we would never get anyone lynched.
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spyrl
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:25 am Post subject: 518 |
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| jadesmar, post 485 wrote: |
| It's really the only strategy I have left in this game because I'm always lynched the day I join. |
A defeatest attitude. It's up to each person to choose how to play, but we can't blame our poor decisions on others. As Raearia said, we all have the same chance to be lynched on [our] day one.
| jadesmar, post 491 wrote: |
| raekuul wrote: |
1) You had at least a week to do the "required reading", and you even said in your first post that you were doing that. Yet you still haven't?
2) That's, uh, what misinterpreting is. |
1) Yup. I realized a couple days ago that it wasn't going to happen. I could have waited longer in case I ever felt like going back and reading, or I could actually just start playing. I chose playing.
2) Fair enough. What I meant was yes, I'm too apathetic to go back and read the thread and I now appear to be lurking, that was a correct interpretation of my lack of content. The conclusion drawn from that was that I was scummy, which is an incorrect conclusion. |
You act like it's an either or case, as if you could play OR read, but not do both. It doesn't take much time to read through the forum, even if you have to do it in lots of small pieces. You could have posted as you did and still had plenty of time to break it up into chunks of reading.
| jadesmar, post 507 wrote: |
Let me ask you this:
Is that indicative of a scum role?
If so, in what way?
Would scum or town be more interested in the their own part in the history of the game and suspicions that were put upon them?
Would scum or town be more interested in putting up a united front with a previous incarnation?
Can any of this information be used to find scum? or, is it all irrelevant noise? |
A: Yes, except to the last part. Whether it is "irrelevant" or not depends on who is interpreting the data. What it boils down to is that without reading the entire game you form an incomplete set of facts upon which to base your conclusions because you are missing information and facts relevant to the game.
As much as I detest siding along with Jedo, esme's lack of posting when we have been asking for content is terrible. It's been close to a week since they last posted, and while I know that real life can happen, the only person who has had less content is Leonidas (who I would happily switch back to for today). As far as voting for lurkers goes, I can see that voting for Leonidas would be pointless today with all of the votes on esme, so I will unvote, vote: esme
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Sentran
Ray of Sucking Funshine
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:00 am Post subject: 519 |
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| jadesmar wrote: |
Let me ask you this:
Is that indicative of a scum role?
If so, in what way?
Would scum or town be more interested in the their own part in the history of the game and suspicions that were put upon them?
Would scum or town be more interested in putting up a united front with a previous incarnation?
Can any of this information be used to find scum? or, is it all irrelevant noise? |
I consider this a reasonable line of questioning.
Your refusal to go back and read the game prior to your entrance is neutral, but leaning towards scummy. If you were town, you would want to explore every avenue available to you, including people's day 1 comments and reactions. The refusal to do so limits your sources of information. This would not matter as much to scum, as they already know who is town by default.
As for the specifics of this case, were I n your case I would want to know who is looking at my predecessor. Since you replaced due to inactivity, you may want to find out who was quick to jump on such a thing and use it as an easy excuse to lynch.
I don't believe I ever suggested that you need to present a unified front with your predecessor. I don't think doing so would be reasonable for either a town or scum player. You should just move forward from this point, but I still believe that you should know what came before in order to develop a plan of action. I think this is even more important for town than for scum, as town is at a disadvantage for information from the beginning.
I have been considering your comments over the weekend, and whether or not I agree with your plan of action, I acknowledge that it could be a method used to hunt scum. For the reasons I've given and repeated, I still like you for scum, but I see that bandwagon collapsing. I would consider switching my vote, but not until after I see a votecount.
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:00 am Post subject: 520 |
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My vote stands.
Sentran is scum.
He's simply trying too hard to find evil motivations for my actions. |
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