Clint Eastwood Mafia Game Over - Town Wins

[Garou_Kinfolk]

One last thing before we head into night.

IF Leo comes up town, then the only other person to have been investigated and confirmed by our dead confirmed cop (because only a death can truly confirm something) would be of Jedo. Just something to keep in mind when we start the day.
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[Jedo the Jedi]

What if Leo comes up scum? I see you continually like to leave out those other scenarios, you know, the ones in which I am indeed town.

And what part of my quote was a lie exactly?
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Paragon Tally: 19 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[jadesmar]

[Raearia]

[jadesmar]

vote: Leonidas in case we miscounted or something.

[Sniklac16]

When day broke it seemed pretty obvious to everyone that Leonidas was scum thanks to to an alleged investigation from Dragon Phoenix. After being ganged up on a few came to his rescue trying to argue it's too son to assume. Finally Sentran had to much...DIE YOU SCUM he declared as the he swung the final blow ending Leo's life...


Leonidas John McBurney Mafia Framer Lynched Day 3

It is now night, deadline for night choices is Sunday December 30th


Final Vote Count Day 3

Leonidas (4) - Dragon Phoenix, Sentran, raekuul, 3iff, Raearia, Jedo the Jedi
Dragon Phoenix (1) - Leonidas
Jedo the Jedi (1) - Garou_Kinfolk

not voting: jadesmar, itisally (i didn't count jadesmar vote because there was already a lynch)
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[Sniklac16]

Day broke, two bodies were found in a building and seemed like there was a huge scuffle of people. Among the dead we found:

Jedo the Jedi Wes Block Mafia Goon

itisally Mitchell Grant Vanilla Townie

With that it is now day and with 7 now alive it will take just 4 to lynch
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[Jedo the Jedi]

Bah! I hoped the other shooter only had one shot.

I have words for the end game.
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Paragon Tally: 19 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Sentran]

I knew it! I was screaming for Jedo early in the game! Why the hell doesn't anyone ever listen to me? Kudos to whoever got him. Now, with my first target for today killed, I guess it's time to find a new one. First thought, my day 2 target. Vote: jadesmar
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[Raearia]

Well sure am glad someone got Jedo that scumbag! Sorry to see Ally go Hate loosing townies. So we have 7 left... would that mean there is roughly 1-2 scum/threats to town still alive?
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[Dragon Phoenix]

Possible combinations:
[a] 1 mafia, 1 vig
[b] 1 mafia, 1 SK
[c] 1 SK, 1 vig

For a town this size, 3-4 mafia would be normal, 5 ridiculous. Scenario [1] is of course the best for us. Off to a re-read the coming days, now that we know jedo was scum.
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[Garou_Kinfolk]

I've been going over my interaction charts, vote tracking charts, and reread the game (yes, all of it from start to current).

Jadesmar is one of two living players (I'm the other) who hasn't been on any of the lynches, had several positive interactions from Jedo day 2, and was actually saved by Jedo Day 2 when Jedo brought the Esme lynch back to the forefront as Jadesmars wagon was showing momentum.

vote:Jadesmar

I'm also going to F.O.S. 3iff for his strong connection to Jedo thru various interactions but I won't vote him as his posts have sounded town to me, and F.O.S. Raekuul for the shear amount of lurking they have been doing despite the town showing how willing it is to lynch lurkers.

If anyone wishes to see my interaction chart(s) for anyone, simply ask. I'd be happy to, just be patient as I would need to get to a computer.

Jedo, I to am waiting for the post game to say a few things, but they are not relevant at the moment. Good playing with you though.
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[Garou_Kinfolk]

Sorry for the double post.

I wanted to say that I believe D.P.s scenario A is what is most likely happening. I don't have time to say why at the moment. At work and my break is just about over.
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[jadesmar]

Garou, you asked that the hammer on Leo be held off, so I unvoted Leo and now you are giving me crap for not being in the in the Leonidas bandwagon.

What the hell?

[raekuul]

Hmmm... Jadesmar or Garou?

On the one hand, I already have enough of a reason to go after Jades for his antics from Day 2. On the other hand, Garou seems to be acting true to his name and pouncing after what may be the obvious setup.

I'll need to do some more reviewing.

[Garou_Kinfolk]

I had not asked for someone to unvote, simply that the final vote be held off.

Also, one hour before you Unvoted you posted:

[Dragon Phoenix]

I scanned a few of the remaining players, and I would like everyone to have a critical look at 3iff. Don't like the iso. Don't like it at all.
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[jadesmar]

[jadesmar]

By the way, Garou, what is the logic here?

Are you proposing that I unvoted Leo because I felt that that would somehow save him from being lynched?

That's a ridiculous assertion, but also a straw man, please present the actual argument.

[Garou_Kinfolk]

Actually Jadesmar, I'm voting you for several reasons (Jedo having positive interactions towards you and saving you from lynch on day 2, your own contradiction as to why you hadn't read anything but mod posts from before you started, and the quick unvote that you did which left you off of the wagon). You are focusing on only one reason in the many.

I have decided that I'm not going to try and deal in speculation or attempt to figure out other players logic for their actions for the rest of the game. When I have previously, it simply gets argued and brushed away (the Spyrl investigation discussion is evidence enough of that).
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[raekuul]

[jadesmar]

[Garou_Kinfolk]

@Jadesmar: I'll answer your question if you answer the one I already asked. Incase you missed it, it was, why didn't you re-vote Leo after I posted my rebuttal? You had plenty of time, opportunity, and vote slots that weren't the hammer.
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[jadesmar]

[jadesmar]

Unless you mean directly after, in which case I wasn't sure when you can Jedi would be done talking.

Also, I found your assertion about spyrl's investigations ridiculous and was just hanging about and was hoping you might be able to sway me.

[Garou_Kinfolk]

You answered me, so I'll answer back now as I said I would, though you might be disappointed in the response.

I was stating the facts as they were posted in thread, not looking for something to build a logic case from. If I was trying to do that I probably would have added something along the lines of you looking for a reason to unvote your buddy.

Now. As for your response(s). The timeline at the end of day 3 pertaining to this is:
my rebuttal: post 623 @ 1:29p.m. local time on 12/23
Jedo puts Leo at L-2: post 628 @ 7:21 p.m. on 12/26
Raearia puts Leo at L-1: post 634 @ 8:53 p.m. on 12/26
MC Hammer lyrics: post 635 @ 9:17p.m. on 12/26

During this time you were able to post 3 other times. I still see plenty of time/opportunity to re-vote Leo. If you found my assessment of Spyrls ISO ridiculous I don't know how else I would have been able to sway you.
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[3iff]

I'm back from my extended break and it looks like I have a lot of catching up to do...here and work related.

I'm really SHOCKED that Jedo turned out to be mafia. I had convinced myself that he must be town...

I'll have something to say once I've caught up with everything.

Happy new year to all.

[3iff]

[Dragon Phoenix]

[Garou_Kinfolk]

D.P.: Regarding 3iff, I've been seeing his connection with Jedo for a while (I think I mentioned it Day 2). The big hesitation I have about him is this. If he is scum, that would mean that all of them were on the MNO lynch day 1. I have seen other things about him then just his connection to Jedo while I was re-reading the game. I don't know if anyone else has picked them up though. If you'd like I can point them out.

The players that weren't on the MNO lynch are: MNO (scum), Esme (town), U. Monk/ally (town), Zag (town), T.G.C./Jadesmar (unknown), Raekuul (unknown), G.K. (unknown to others, but I know I'm town). Raekuul was on the Esme and Leo lynches.

I still want to hear more from Raekuul. Haven't heard much from them since day 2, and even then it was drowned out by the other posters.

Sentran, Raearia, your thoughts on the day/game so far?
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[3iff]

As I said, I was strongly thinking Jedo was town (until he was shown to be mafia). I was aware he was supporting my views, and to some extent I was agreeing with him on things he said, but he did have me completely fooled. In fact, I was reluctant to support him as town because I thought it might make him a mafia target!

One thing you might have to ask yourselves is would 2 members of the mafia strongly buss MNO on day one? I was the first to suspect MNO, mainly because he wasn't posting. Some 30 or so posts later, Jedo jumps on the MNO bandwagon and successfully fools me at least into believing him to be town.

Before the Christmas break, I couldn't accept that such an audacious strategy would even be attempted. It looked far too high-risk. I was wrong.

It seems apparent to me that Jedo was working on being at the forefront of an MNO lynch and cosied up to me for added protection.
Garou raises an interesting point that it might have been a mafia plan to deliberately buss a mafia player on day one to make them all look good. That might make sense for what Jedo was doing. Maybe all the mafia were on the lynch early on.

I accept that makes me suspicious by association... While I was also on the Leo lynch, so was Jedo, so that doesn't help me either.

[Sentran]

I've noticed the same thing that DP and GK did about a tenuous Jedo/3iff link, but I also know from experience that Jedo will try to link himself in subtle ways to a townie. That way, if the townie is lynched, he looks a bit more innocent. If Jedo is lynched, the townie will look a bit more guilty. I consider that part a null read. Still looking for more info, but I like where GK is going with voting history.
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[Garou_Kinfolk]

As far as the lynch voting data goes, here's what there is as far as those who are alive go.

3iff, D.P., and Raearia have been on all 3 lynches.
Sentran has been on both scum lynching.
Raekuul has been on the Esme and Leo lynches.
Jadesmar and I have not been on any lynches.

Don't know if that helps anyone. If people want I can also post the final vote order for each lynch so it's all in one place.
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[jadesmar]

[Raearia]

I do have thoughts but I have been looking at the thread with a blank stare not sure how to word what I want to say.

I do have to ask why neither of you (Jades and Garou) have not been on any of the lynches.

(Going to the grocery store and will post a more later)
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[jadesmar]

I can't defend my missing the MNOWAX bandwagon since I was not playing at the time. My guess is that my predecessor was not reading the thread at that time, which is why I would later come to replace him.

I was on the Leo bandwagon for quite a long time, and got a lot of flack early in the day for being on it. I only got off like a day or two before it went through and only because Garou asked that the lynch be postponed, as previously explained.

esme was a townie, so missing that lynch shouldn't need to be defended.

[raekuul]

[jadesmar]

[jadesmar]

Oh, I see what you are saying.

No, I don't think I did anything wrong by allowing Garou to speak his mind. Even though I hoped for more. It gave me a chance to look at the case he had on Jedo.. which was a bunch of crap.

Since that was a bunch of crap, and Jedo was scum. This makes it feel like Garou was attempting to bus his fellow scum, in the same way Jedo bussed MNOWAX (only more transparent). That puts him near the top of my scum list.

My scum list right now looks like this, by the way:
Raeria
Garou
Sentran

[raekuul]

Did you think it was a bunch of crap at the time, or are you saying that with the benefit of hindsight