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jadesmar
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 Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:13 am Post subject: 681 |
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| raekuul wrote: |
| Did you think it was a bunch of crap at the time, or are you saying that with the benefit of hindsight |
At the time I didn't believe that the argument had enough evidence to support it. I still don't believe his argument has enough evidence behind it.
Through hindsight, knowing Jedo to be scum, either
1. Garou's argument was valid
2. Garou knew Jedo was scum for another reason and was trying to fashion his argument to make use of in-game information.
Because I still don't believe the evidence supports the argument, I believe that 2. is the explanation. |
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raekuul
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:40 am Post subject: 682 |
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| Then my point is (for those who haven't grasped it already, which I seriously doubt is any of you) why did you unvote in the first place? |
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3iff
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:14 pm Post subject: 683 |
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Seems jadesmar is getting a lot of flak for unvoting Leo yesterday (in order to give a breathing space for more talk). I think he's being harshly accused for this. The same applies to the confusion over whether Leo was finally hammered or not when he returned his vote to Leo. The voting updates have been a bit infrequent and it's easy to hammer without realising it.
I'm fairly sure I've done a similar thing in a previous game when I unvoted and then missed the opportunity to revote before the lynch took place.
I don't think there's any ulterior motive in jadesmar's actions here...and I'm not clearing him as being town either. Of course, I might be totally wrong. It wouldn't be the first time this game.
With potentially one mafia remaining (it might be two?) and possibly a serial killer (maybe?) would now be a good time to claim role names? |
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:48 pm Post subject: 684 |
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| raekuul wrote: |
| Then my point is (for those who haven't grasped it already, which I seriously doubt is any of you) why did you unvote in the first place? |
i wanted to hear the argument in full. |
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:55 pm Post subject: 685 |
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Actually, there was a bit more to it.
I was attacked early in the day for putting Leo at L-2, people thought that he could easily be hammered without allowing for the conversation of the day to fully play out. I promised that the town would have a chance to finish the conversation.
When I unvoted, Leo was at L-1 and was asking for a chance to further the conversation. |
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:56 pm Post subject: 686 |
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| Leo was at L-1 and Garou was asking for a chance to finish the conversation rather. |
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Sentran
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:15 pm Post subject: 687 |
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| jadesmar wrote: |
| Leo was at L-1 and Garou was asking for a chance to finish the conversation rather. |
Thank you for that clarification. I was about to question your comment prior to this. For the record, the Unvote and lack of subsequent re-vote is not my purpose for voting jadesmar. I was looking at him way back on Day 2, and now that we finally took care of Jedo, I'm back to jadesmar. For those who don't want to go back and find my reasons, here they are:
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| Well, jadesmar has succeeded in surpassing everyone else on my scum-read-o-meter. Synopsis of why: First, his own admission that he has not read all of the game and therefore is going off of either the reads of others, or what has happened since he joined. Second, even though spyrl has repeated the same question three times and Raekuul has asked it yet again, he refuses to answer the simple question "who do you feel is town?". He may argue that he answered it by saying NOT myself or Raekuul, but that's not answering the question. He also stated that he responds when asked questions, but I guess a response and an answer are mutually exclusive. |
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:23 pm Post subject: 688 |
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Why are those two points still concerning you Sentran?
I had not read back on the game at that point, and people were pressing me to tell them who I thought were town.
Knowing that I hadn't read back on the game, the question of who I feel is town really didn't make any sense.
Can you tell me why the question of who I feel is town was relevant knowing that I hadn't read the thread? |
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Raearia
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:54 pm Post subject: 689 |
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I agree with 3iff, Garou was asking for more time and Jades pulled his vote. I fail to see the big conspiracy here. I do however have still question why Garou has yet to be on an actual lynch when he has been so prolific this game.
My general opinions:
Sentran has been pretty adamant about Jedo being scum and he was right so this leaves: 1) he is town 2) He was busing a buddy (which I feel is unlikely because of how strong he pursued it) 3) He is the SK.
3iff claims to have been fooled by Jedo, which leaves the same possibilities as Sentran. I think that is question of claiming has some merit.
Garou I feel has been over analyzing, IMO, and trying to find connections that don't fit. He has however also been at odds with Jedo which leaves the same possibilities as Sentran.
Raekuul- I still have no read on Raekuul
DP is a bit tricksy to me. He was pretty stuck on going after Esme, which he was wrong, and then there was his apparent one shot investigation. Leaves the same options as Sentran.
More thoughts later.
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Garou_Kinfolk
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:34 pm Post subject: 690 |
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| jadesmar, post 662 wrote: |
| Garou_Kinfolk wrote: |
| Actually Jadesmar, I'm voting you for several reasons (Jedo having positive interactions towards you and saving you from lynch on day 2, your own contradiction as to why you hadn't read anything but mod posts from before you started, and the quick unvote that you did which left you off of the wagon). You are focusing on only one reason in the many. |
Yes. I am dealing with one reason, I figured it would be easiest to deal with them one at a time.
If you won't answering my questions about your reasons individually, why would I believe you would answer them if I dealt with them in a group? |
The last line of this post had been bugging me for a while, so I thought I'd ask.
@Jadesmar: What evidence do you have that I wouldn't reply to multiple points at once?
I have more to reply about, but the above quote has taken most of my character limit.
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:51 pm Post subject: 691 |
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| Garou_Kinfolk wrote: |
| jadesmar, post 662 wrote: |
| Garou_Kinfolk wrote: |
| Actually Jadesmar, I'm voting you for several reasons (Jedo having positive interactions towards you and saving you from lynch on day 2, your own contradiction as to why you hadn't read anything but mod posts from before you started, and the quick unvote that you did which left you off of the wagon). You are focusing on only one reason in the many. |
Yes. I am dealing with one reason, I figured it would be easiest to deal with them one at a time.
If you won't answering my questions about your reasons individually, why would I believe you would answer them if I dealt with them in a group? |
The last line of this post had been bugging me for a while, so I thought I'd ask.
@Jadesmar: What evidence do you have that I wouldn't reply to multiple points at once?
I have more to reply about, but the above quote has taken most of my character limit. |
My evidence was that you used the fact that I was picking on one point to dodge the point I was making and did not address it in this post.
You were dodging the one point I was making.
You didn't address the one point that I was making and decided instead to throw up a shield by mentioning that there were several points that need to be addressed without addressing the one i brought up. So, I felt that I could bring down your shield by addressing it in this manner. It worked. |
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:14 pm Post subject: 692 |
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Actually, reading that back. That was a question. The question was "why would I believe that you would answer my questions in a group".
I didn't state that you wouldn't and my only evidence was that you failed to address the point I was making against one point of yours.
This is another question you have failed to answer and have once again turned back on me. |
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Garou_Kinfolk
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:21 pm Post subject: 693 |
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Actually, reading that back. That was a question. The question was "why would I believe that you would answer my questions in a group".
I didn't state that you wouldn't and my only evidence was that you failed to address the point I was making against one point of yours.
This is another question you have failed to answer and have once again turned back on me. |
If you wanted to know if I would respond to your points in a group or not, all you had to do was read just about ANY of my responses to/against Jedo. In many of them I am responding to/bringing up multiple points from/against Jedo.
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:24 pm Post subject: 694 |
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| Garou_Kinfolk wrote: |
| jadesmar wrote: |
Actually, reading that back. That was a question. The question was "why would I believe that you would answer my questions in a group".
I didn't state that you wouldn't and my only evidence was that you failed to address the point I was making against one point of yours.
This is another question you have failed to answer and have once again turned back on me. |
If you wanted to know if I would respond to your points in a group or not, all you had to do was read just about ANY of my responses to/against Jedo. In many of them I am responding to/bringing up multiple points from/against Jedo. |
I'm more interested on why you wouldn't deal with them one at a time. Instead you chose to smoke-screen.
Imagine the following:
Person 1: I will vote for you for these 3 reasons
Person 2: Ok, here's my response to reason 1.
Person 1: (ignores rebuttal). I am voting for you for 3 reasons.
Perhaps from that you can feel my frustration. |
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Garou_Kinfolk
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:31 pm Post subject: 695 |
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| jadesmar, post 654 wrote: |
Garou, you asked that the hammer on Leo be held off, so I unvoted Leo and now you are giving me crap for not being in the in the Leonidas bandwagon.
What the hell? |
To me, that's not a rebuttal. It's a statement, then an OMGUS line towards me. Sorry if I couldn't tell the difference.
On another note, 3iff, I would not be opposed to a mass claim of some kind. I can't see more then one remaining mafia member left, and Leo used their safe claim already.
@Raearia: I have not been on a lynch because:
Day 1 I was in the middle of a reread to see who else looked scummy when the day ended. Jedo had convinced me that I was suffering from confirmation bias and tunnel vision. I've already stated this on Day 2.
Day 2 I was voting for Jadesmar because of his contradiction of why he hadn't gone back and read Day 1.
Day 3 I was going after Jedo whom I saw as a bigger threat to the town, as he was leading them, then Leo, who was lurking.
Character limit reached.
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:39 pm Post subject: 696 |
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| Garou_Kinfolk wrote: |
| jadesmar, post 654 wrote: |
Garou, you asked that the hammer on Leo be held off, so I unvoted Leo and now you are giving me crap for not being in the in the Leonidas bandwagon.
What the hell? |
To me, that's not a rebuttal. It's a statement, then an OMGUS line towards me. Sorry if I couldn't tell the difference. |
Is that why you decided to ignore posts 658 and 659 which present my case, rebuttal and questions? |
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:50 pm Post subject: 697 |
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I just don't get how I was under the gun yesterday for my part in putting Leo at L-2 so quickly, but when Sentran and GK do the same thing to me today.. nothing.
At least the Leo lynch had an investigation behind it.
vote: Garou_Kinfolk |
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Garou_Kinfolk
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:00 pm Post subject: 698 |
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| jadesmar wrote: |
| Is that why you decided to ignore posts 658 and 659 which present my case, rebuttal and questions? |
Funny you say I ignored those posts. (Bare with me. I can't have multiple quotes or copy and paste while using my phone.)
My post 660 paragraph 1 was responding to your post 658 paragraph 1.
660 paragraph 2 responds to 659. It looks to have been ignored as there were no further comments on it.
666 further responds to 659, but only after you answered my question that was asked first.
Your post 674 is exactly why I decided to try and post facts and not speculation on other players logic.
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:05 pm Post subject: 699 |
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I mean, you went back and quoted 654 and then said "this is not a rebuttal" even though, the rebuttal and questions I was referring to occurred shortly after 654.
That's a bit misleading, yes? Why did you pick 654? |
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:13 pm Post subject: 700 |
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| Garou_Kinfolk wrote: |
| jadesmar wrote: |
| Is that why you decided to ignore posts 658 and 659 which present my case, rebuttal and questions? |
Funny you say I ignored those posts. (Bare with me. I can't have multiple quotes or copy and paste while using my phone.)
My post 660 paragraph 1 was responding to your post 658 paragraph 1.
660 paragraph 2 responds to 659. It looks to have been ignored as there were no further comments on it.
666 further responds to 659, but only after you answered my question that was asked first.
Your post 674 is exactly why I decided to try and post facts and not speculation on other players logic. |
I'm going to need this in quote form or when I'm not on my phone. I'll wait. |
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Garou_Kinfolk
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:17 pm Post subject: 701 |
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I mean, you went back and quoted 654 and then said "this is not a rebuttal" even though, the rebuttal and questions I was referring to occurred shortly after 654.
That's a bit misleading, yes? Why did you pick 654? |
Because it was the first post after my accusations that you made concerning them. If you want me to respond to something, please include a post number so I know what it is you want me to respond to.
Also, I said 654 looks like a statement with an OMGUS line towards me after it and that I couldn't tell it was a rebuttal. If your going to say I said something, please be more accurate. I'm tired of that from Jedo.
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:19 pm Post subject: 702 |
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| With potentially one mafia remaining (it might be two?) and possibly a serial killer (maybe?) would now be a good time to claim role names? |
I'm into this.. who gets to select the order we claim in?
Perhaps someone who is not currently voting and maybe not 3iff, because he suggested the mass claim. |
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:26 pm Post subject: 703 |
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| Garou_Kinfolk wrote: |
| Also, I said 654 looks like a statement with an OMGUS line towards me after it and that I couldn't tell it was a rebuttal. If your going to say I said something, please be more accurate. I'm tired of that from Jedo. |
I am rash, abrupt, hot-headed and typically terse, this has everything to do with both my personality and the fact that I post from my phone a lot. These are the stripes that this tiger can not easily change.
It makes no difference to me whether or not you are tired of my posting style and it should have no bearing on whether or not you believe me to be mafia.
It is however, my personal belief that you aren't voting for people in this game because you believe them to be mafia, in that I believe you are the remaining mafia. |
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Raearia
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:46 pm Post subject: 704 |
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I don't mind claiming first. I have nothing to hide.
I am Hogan, a regular old vanilla townie.
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Sentran
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:36 am Post subject: 705 |
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I have no truck with mass claim. Now feels like the right time. As for how to go about it, I would prefer a semi-random selection process. That way, we have less chance of Mafia claiming last with whichever roles have not been claimed. Is anyone opposed to a dice roll determining order, from smallest to largest?
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Raearia
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:40 am Post subject: 706 |
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Well I already claimed, because I didn't think it would harm anything seeing as how I am just a vanilla townie. But if you want to do a semi random go for it I can understand the need to make it an organized thing. Sorry for not thinking ahead about it!
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:53 am Post subject: 707 |
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Random is good.
Can we all just roll out of 1000? With lowest rolls claiming first? |
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raekuul
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:01 am Post subject: 708 |
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It's been so long since I've used the dice tags.
I'll volunteer to go next. Harry Callahan, vanilla townie. |
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:06 am Post subject: 709 |
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| Just names. You vanilla townies are killing us. |
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Garou_Kinfolk
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:09 am Post subject: 710 |
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At this point, I'm thinking just to do it in the order of those alive on page 1. Sentran, Garou_Kinfolk, Jadesmar, and 3iff, as those are the only ones left to claim. Looks like full claims are being made now.
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:18 am Post subject: 711 |
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| Full claims are stupid. I know why you'd like them scum. |
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Garou_Kinfolk
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:24 am Post subject: 712 |
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Jadesmar, look back at the claims so far. Vanilla, vanilla, and one shot investigation power. They've all been full so far. How is my observation that people are making full claims scummy?
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:31 am Post subject: 713 |
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| Garou_Kinfolk wrote: |
| Jadesmar, look back at the claims so far. Vanilla, vanilla, and one shot investigation power. They've all been full so far. How is my observation that people are making full claims scummy? |
the fact that you want them to continue is scummy. You want to know where all the power roles are on the town side. |
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Garou_Kinfolk
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:43 am Post subject: 714 |
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So when does an observation, "It looks like we're doing full claims now" become "I want everyone to keep making full claims"? If you're going to twist my words, try not to be so obvious about it next time.
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:44 am Post subject: 715 |
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It's where you put the observation. And, who you meant by we which was confusing.
Ill grant your interpretation works as one of the many possible interpretations of you comment. But don't try to pretend you don't see where the confusion came from. |
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Sentran
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:31 am Post subject: 716 |
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*sigh* I'm Frank Corvin.
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Garou_Kinfolk
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:27 am Post subject: 717 |
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As I'm next on the living list, Walt Coogan. Jadesmar?
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jadesmar
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:53 am Post subject: 718 |
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| I'm Nick Pulovski, 3iff? |
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Sniklac16
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:38 pm Post subject: 719 |
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SOFT DEADLINE FRIDAY JAN 11TH
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Raearia
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:24 pm Post subject: 720 |
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So I went ahead and looked up the characters of who has claimed so far and these are the movie titles I could find.
Sentran- Frank Corvin-Space Cowboys
Garou_Kinfolk- Walt Coogan- Coogan’s Bluff
Jadesmar- Nick Pulovski- The Rookie
Raearia- Hogan -Two Mules for Sister Sara
Raekuul
3iff
Dragon Phoenix
Did I miss anyone's claim? I was just looking to consolidate the claims into an easy find post, but some people are being rather slow about it their claims.
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