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Can you spot the FAKE smile?

 
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Buzzsaw
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 1:47 am    Post subject: 1 Reply with quote

From BBC Science: Human Body and Mind -
Spot the Fake Smile

How well did you do?
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Buzzsaw
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 1:54 am    Post subject: 2 Reply with quote

I got 15/20, as well as to be expected.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 2:40 am    Post subject: 3 Reply with quote

14/20, which explains why I'm not as good of a poker player as I would like to be. I wasn't surprised by it, though.

Also, I swear that some of those were not real faces. One was pretty clearly a man's jaw with a woman's upper head and hair, and a couple others looked to me like mismatched amalgams. Or they went out of their way to choose some pretty odd-looking faces.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 2:53 am    Post subject: 4 Reply with quote

Some were pretty strange but number 13 was scary.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:43 am    Post subject: 5 Reply with quote

19/20, the one I got wrong was quite interesting ( i think). It was the Asian woman, and I think got it wrong because i might have been a little attracted to her.
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Buzzsaw
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:57 am    Post subject: 6 Reply with quote

MNOWAX wrote:
19/20, the one I got wrong was quite interesting ( i think). It was the Asian woman, and I think got it wrong because i might have been a little attracted to her.

I understand the feeling (wanting to sleep with her whether she's smiling or not.)
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:11 am    Post subject: 7 Reply with quote

Buzzsaw wrote:
MNOWAX wrote:
19/20, the one I got wrong was quite interesting ( i think). It was the Asian woman, and I think got it wrong because i might have been a little attracted to her.

I understand the feeling (wanting to sleep with her whether she's smiling or not.)
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i was going to err on the side of "hoping to not get rejected by believing her smile", but yeah that works too.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:24 am    Post subject: 8 Reply with quote

I was deliberately being crass (she didn't do anything for me.)
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:43 am    Post subject: 9 Reply with quote

Buzzsaw wrote:
I was deliberately being crass (she didn't do anything for me.)


I'm sorry to hear that.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:48 am    Post subject: 10 Reply with quote

Btw, 19 out of 20 is very good.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 5:35 am    Post subject: 11 Reply with quote

15/20

Really I thought that was pretty good. I began to doubt myself and second guess my assumptions as I went on and I did worse in the last third of the test. Should have stuck with my intuition.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:13 am    Post subject: 12 Reply with quote

16/20
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:19 am    Post subject: 13 Reply with quote

10/20. No better than random chance.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:45 am    Post subject: 14 Reply with quote

15/20.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:50 am    Post subject: 15 Reply with quote

16/20
I got the Asian woman wrong too. I guess I don't get to see genuine Asian smiles often enough. Mostly my social interaction with Asians is in the hospitality sector.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:23 pm    Post subject: 16 Reply with quote

12/20.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:55 pm    Post subject: 17 Reply with quote

It makes me wonder what exactly a "fake smile" is. Is the researcher reading minds, "hey, you grinned but you were thinking unhappy thoughts!"

I think if someone makes an effort to sneer that should be good enough, or a grimace is the thought that counts, or something like that.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:14 pm    Post subject: 18 Reply with quote

16/20.

Damn, there are some scary looking people in that line-up.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:58 am    Post subject: 19 Reply with quote

Gomez* wrote:
16/20.

Damn, there are some scary looking people in that line-up.

I think the people setting up the test chose them to throw us off.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:49 pm    Post subject: 20 Reply with quote

17/20. Revenge most foul! <--but is it real or fake?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:53 pm    Post subject: 21 Reply with quote

interestingly, there are 10 of each so you could choose either fake or genuine for the whole test and still get a 50%.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:24 pm    Post subject: 22 Reply with quote

15/20. I missed one person about whom I thought "He's so ugly, what does he have to smile about?" I guessed fake, but apparently it was genuine.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:32 pm    Post subject: 23 Reply with quote

The videos skipped around a bit for me...12 ~shrug~

I also am curious what they mean by "faking" a smile. It seems to me that you smile-- you are smiling! If I recall correctly, there was some other study showing that smiling, even without reason, will make someone happy.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:13 pm    Post subject: 24 Reply with quote

12/20

On the question about what part of the face I used to make a decision, I said cheeks and eyes, so I knew where to look, just not what to look for Felicitous
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 1:56 am    Post subject: 25 Reply with quote

14/20
I wasn't sure how to answer the "what part of the face" question because my trigger was "How quickly can they snap out of it?" I figured most of the genuine smiles would have difficulty ending the smile afterward, and in many cases that is exactly what I saw. They should have stopped the image while the person was still smiling.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:13 am    Post subject: 26 Reply with quote

I have to wonder what effect TV and movies have on one's ability to detect a fake smile. Are we so used to actors and actresses faking it that it starts blurring our sense of real vs. fake?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:00 am    Post subject: 27 Reply with quote

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I could not find out how this was conducted, assume researchers who designed this test prompted participants to have something genuine to smile about, vs something that caused them to smile as a defensive reaction. I mean, they must have had some basis for determining whether the subject was truly smiling or not.

Courk, good point that someone can act well enough to convey a genuine smile even when it is not. If some actors can produce "fake" tears, which are real tears, only brought about voluntarily, certainly they are capable of creating a smile that appears to be the real thing.

When considering this, one can see the test is flawed. What is a "real" smile?

My opinion, since we are not mind readers, a smile is a smile when the gesture appears adequately sincere to the person(s) to whom it's conveyed. In other words, whether the smile appears genuine or not is not really up to the one making the gesture, but rather the one being smiled upon.

Whether a smile, a sneer, a scowl - it's all how the smile is perceived.

I think the test results as reported in this thread demonstrate that I am right.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:20 am    Post subject: 28 Reply with quote

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Real smile? Or not?



You be the judge.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:27 pm    Post subject: 29 Reply with quote

Buzzsaw wrote:
I could not find out how this was conducted, assume researchers who designed this test prompted participants to have something genuine to smile about, vs something that caused them to smile as a defensive reaction. I mean, they must have had some basis for determining whether the subject was truly smiling or not.


I figured they asked the people to keep the same expression, even if they borke it for a bit. Then they asked them to smile and return to that expression. That's fake. Or they made a funny face or told them a joke or showed them a picture of Pablo to get them to smile momentarily.
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Buzzsaw
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:06 pm    Post subject: 30 Reply with quote

Quailman wrote:
I figured they asked the people to keep the same expression, even if they borke it for a bit. Then they asked them to smile and return to that expression. That's fake. Or they made a funny face or told them a joke or showed them a picture of Pablo to get them to smile momentarily.

I think this explanation makes more sense, rather than assuming researchers deliberately inspired some form of awkwardness for subject participants (to get the fake smile.).
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