Werewolf: the Apocalypse Mafia [GAME OVER - Town wins]

[Raearia]

I am a Get of Fenris Kinfolk. I am also going to hold off on claiming my ability. I see no harm in claiming my tribe but I would rather not give out my ability on day 2.

I also think it is possible for duplicates given the nature of random roles it is more likely a person would draw a duplicate rather then have ten individual tribes randomly decided.
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[spyrl]

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[jadesmar]

[jadesmar]

To be clear, I would like to hear from just Raearia on the following question.

"Why do you think it is merely possible that there are duplicate tribes and why are you not certain one way or the other"?

[Raearia]

Well I am just looking at it from the point of random rolls. Let's say I am rolling two D-6 ten times. It is more likely I will have rolled two 6's with different combinations like 4+2 or 3+3 then I am to get a different number every roll. So to me it is possible for multiples of the same tribe. I can't ever be 100% sure in these games there is to much unknown in these games for me to give an absolute in regards to other players. The only thing I am 100% certain of is my role.
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[jadesmar]

[Raearia]

Well sure but to me kinfolk are not part of the tribes in the traditional sense. I could misunderstand the rules of Werewolf the Apocalypse, but Kinfolk to me are more property rather then members. If I am wrong please let me know (Durryn? Sentran?) If kinfolk are considered actual tribe members then yes there is multiples but again my understanding was that they aren't really part of the tribe except as breeding stock.
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[jadesmar]

So, Get of Fenris and Get of Fenris Kinfolk are different tribes? Fair enough. I'll let someone more versed in Werewolf speak to that point.

[Raearia]

That is my understanding yes Jades. But I am not as well versed as Durryn or Sentran. So if I am wrong I apologize, just going off how I understood it.
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[jadesmar]

Are you a werewolf?

[Raearia]

As I understand it Kinfolk can't be werewolves, so no?
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[Lifeinmomland]

I personally don't think we have repeats. There are enough tribes plus he has thrown in other were-creatures and related creatures. If I had that much information to work with I would not repeat. Like with a book each of the tribes and shifter types have their own unique views and often powers, like individual characters in a novel.
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[Raearia]

sorry for the double post meant to say so no. not so no?
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[jadesmar]

[Raearia]

haha sorry! I havn't had coffee yet!
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[Lifeinmomland]

I am wondering about this mispost Durryn is thing about.
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[jadesmar]

01: Sentran
02: Perpentach - Gurahl
03: jadesmar - Silverfang
04: MNOWAX - Child of Gaia
05: Raearia - Get of Fenris Kinfolk
06: Lifeinmomland - Red Talon
07: Durryn - Fianna
xx: Zag - Fallen Shadow Lord
xx: Jedo the Jedi - Get of Fenris
10: Itisally
xx: NPC Spot - Black Fury

[Raearia]

This is from the whitewolf wiki:

"The Get of Fenris is one of the most selective tribes when it comes to choosing members. A potential Fenrir must prove themselves to the rest of the tribe, even if they are born into it. The Rite of Passage for Fenrir cubs is one of the bloodiest and most brutal of rites, and even after they have passed, they are continuously tested to improve their battle skills and ability to survive. Weak Fenrir cubs are usually abandoned or, in more recent times, turned over to other tribes to be raised. Some Get also practice a belief in the purity of blood as a sign of worthiness. "

Since kinfolk can't participate in the rite of passage this is where I came to the understanding that kinfolk were not a part of the tribe.

Also Jades Sentran is also Kinfolk of some kind.
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[jadesmar]

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[Raearia]

Yes he was Jades. Now, I am unavailable the next few hours for class, see ya guys later!
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[Sentran]

My reasoning for asking if people are werewolves (Garou) is that many of their enemies are not. Kinfolk have some Garou blood, but are not Garou. They are used as tools and breeding stock for the Garou, as breeding with other Garou is an affront to Gaia that results in a Metis (deformed Garou). Kinfolk can be human or wolf. I am a Child of Gaia Kinfolk.

Since everyone is claiming tribes and/or Kinfolk, I believe that either we are dealing with another "fallen" Garou, or someone was given a safe claim. Both are reasonable plays, and I'm watching for subtle tells. I already have a vague guess, but I'm not bringing it out until everyone has claimed.
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[jadesmar]

[Sentran]

[jadesmar]

[Perpentach]

We shall name it after him.

Durryn, I'm fairly confident in who I think is Mafia, but I'm going to ask you to share your role first.

[jadesmar]

[Durryn]

Um......... No?????

I have no desire to give my role up for the mafia.

@MOD Do I have your permission or would you be so kind, as to post the info I got by accident? I have no desire to misquote it.
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[itisally]

for the record, I still think this is foolish.

Uktena
Non standard investigation

I have to get to class. I will post more later.
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[Raearia]

Wait so we have a cop and two non standard investigators? Jades, Perp and Ally?
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[jadesmar]

[Raearia]

It is just surprising to have so many investigator roles in a ten person game I would think balance wise we would have at most 2.
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[jadesmar]

[Durryn]

I would be more concerned if it were 2 full or regular investigators. With 2 people being "nonstandard" it seems okay.
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[Perpentach]

So, now that we have claims, I will share my results, which everyone may find interesting.

Night 1 was two wolves talking about something non-violent. Two possibilities I've considered. Either they were/are masons, or it was the two scum choosing not to have a night kill.

Night 2 I investigated the area around Jedo's body, before night ended. There were four presences near it. The first was Jedo's. Unsurprising. The second was Sentran's, third was Durryn, and fourth was Raearia.

Now after I heard Durryn was Fianna (and after I looked it up) I thought he might be an SK, thematically. Since he seems to have investigative powers, I'm guessing that Raearia is probably the killer.

Thoughts?

[itisally]

The thing is my results would be pretty inconclusive to begin with and my pm makes it clear that someone could mess with the results so I am not sure how much weight I would put in the answers.

In short here is my problem with the mass claim:
It is unlikely for there to be duplicate tribes (kinfolk being an exception) But not impossible, so there is no way of outing scum with tribe, it only gives nformation.

So then we must look to abilities. When I think about the theme there are so many ways to make abilites non-standard that I am not sure that even a duplicate of that would be very telling. Again no way to trap a scum.

We are giving our secrets in a path that could not possibley yield results. Foolish. SO I will be looking at MNOWAX. I though Perp too because he followed without question, but so did Sentran, but both seem cleared (maybe)

@ Perp. I have reason to believe that Durryn was not there with violent intent and that he also visited LIML.

Sentran is arguably cleared

vote: Raearia
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[Durryn]

Based on Perps' information I too will

Unvote; Vote Raearia

I also must clear something up so as to avoid a lie by omission. My ability is not investigative, however I made a "Leap of Faith" based on my ability and the storyline which began day 2.

Also, Perps' info crossed with my own would actually clear LIML for me.
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[Perpentach]

Vote: Raearia

[MNOWAX]

Vote: Raearia

Alright, Let's do this!
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[MNOWAX]

Also, Scum,( if it isn't you Rae) I'm still sticking with the best cop we have, jadesmar. You'll have to kill me first.
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