Werewolf: the Apocalypse Mafia [GAME OVER - Town wins]

[MNOWAX]

in a 10-11 person game, it is highly unlikely we have more than one killing party. Especially when we A: had no NKs last night and B:trying to get a modtell from the rules of this game is a fallacy in of itself because the game was originally intended for up to like 20 people and the rules were written at that time. and C: it's just wrong.
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[jadesmar]

[spyrl]

Current Vote Count:

[jadesmar]

Ok.

So, given one killing faction we know one of these three things happened.

(1) The NPC was targeted by the mafia.
(2) The NPC died of "natural causes", and someone was protected or the mafia was blocked.
(3) One of us with the role-blocker card died and had a role switch over from whatever the NPC was.
(4) Secret hidden option number 4. (i.e. other)

The description going into day leads me to believe (2) occurred. But, my personal feeling is that (2) or (3) occurred, since I don't know what (4) is.

Did anyone get a message saying that they were no longer the role-blocker? I think that's a fair question. If you did, the mafia targeted you, so, what is the downside to telling the town? Could we meta-game the "why would the mafia select XXX to die on night 1"?

[Zag]

Sigh. Many of you have never seen MNO as a townie. It's been, I think, 5 or 6 games since he was one and stayed that way through the whole game. Anyway, the sigh is because this is MNO as a townie. Totally insane and likely to draw more attention to himself, thereby distracting us from actual scum. It's not out of the question that he's finally figured out how to fake it, but I don't think so.

And no, this isn't a scum ploy worked out between us. OMG, I'm done with that, at least, with MNO. (Now that I've said that, I'm starting to feel nervous that he will turn out to be scum and then you'll all turn on me. So be it -- I think he's likely town.)

jadesmar, so you think that asking "How will scum show their colors?" is a scum tell? meh. Maybe. I don't really see it, but I'm not going to go overboard like Sentran and vote you for saying so. I can't say that I know LIML well enough to know if that sort of thing is in character for her. I'll compromise and nudge both of you (and Sentran, too, for his part in this game of accusations), just a tiny bit up on my scum chart, but still not enough to matter.

And, since I'm obviously giving the discussion serious thought, random voting time is over, at least for me. So unvote Jedo.

Post-preview edit (yeah, this has been under edit for a long time, because I'm watching TV, too): I'm totally put off by this whole argument between jadesmar and Perp. I don't really consider j's "dedication" to believing in a questionable tell to be suspicious (since I was attacked for exactly that a couple of games ago), but I do find the whole "appeal to authority" comment to be both condescending and entirely inapplicable.

Post-second-preview edit: jadesmar: But, have you seen a bigger scum tell today? Yes, yes I have. I thought that the way Sentran jumped on you was a bigger tell, but still insignificant. But I am prepared to believe that your dedication to a tell that only you perceive is probably a townie tell. See the big argument between UMonk and myself from the game before last, especially as continued in the "dead thread."

OK. No more previews, or I'll never finish.

[jadesmar]

[MNOWAX]

@ Zag: HAHAHAHAHA

we are SO working together next time. You are right I'm not scum. I'm just trying to figure out who is scum of jadesmar and Sentran. I like jadesmar in this case.

Unvote, Vote jadesmar
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MNOWAX

[MNOWAX]

EBWDP

Unvote, Vote jadesmar

Because, you know, you'd think I'd know how to vote by now.
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[jadesmar]

[jadesmar]

[Raearia]

I just don't see the scum tell in asking a question like LiML did. But I am not going to jump immediately onto the vote Jades thing because last game I did and I was wrong because I just didn't like the presentation Jades gave in his wording.

I am gonna give him the benefit this time around. In fairness for Jades suspicions I am going to keep a look out for LiML in case something is said that is out of place to me.

Otherwise I am going to give it a little more time for more posts to happen before making any votes.
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[Lifeinmomland]

So I had this moment when I thought I must be missing something. After all why would wondering how the scum are gonna "show their colors" any different than looking for tells? We are all looking for something off ... All I did was say it out loud.

After reading through the thing several times my final call on it is it must be day 1 random silliness. If I missed the logical reason saying I am looking for scum tells in a scum tell please enlightenment me...

Otherwise I think the question of the NPC is been explored as much as it can without more info and am finding myself wishing for something new to talk about. In moments like this ALMOST miss Deception and his weird questions.
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[jadesmar]

[Sentran]

I don't consider any day 1 tell insignificant, even jades' tell on LIML. Day 1, that's usually all we get unless somebody slips up. Do people really want a question to jump on and vote someone for? Here's one.

Is anyone in this game not a werewolf?
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"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Perpentach]

[jadesmar]

[Zag]

This is getting repetitive and unhelpful. I think jadesmar is wrong (or, at least, no more right than a random guess), but I also think he is town. I suspect a scum jadesmar would have backed down by now.

And this argument is distracting us from this comment:

[Jedo the Jedi]

I agree almost completely with Zag's most recent post. (I disagree that scum jadesmar would have backed down by now, and he therefore remains neutral to my assessment.)

As for Sentran's question, I do frown upon it, but I'm not sure how scummy I think it is. That's wrapped up in my lack of knowledge of this genre as a whole, so I don't know whether to expect werewolves are good or bad, plenty or few. I would research the source material, but I'm afraid that might be something which got Amb replaced.

Mod: Is it safe to peruse wikipedia for whatever theme information we can find?

Assuming I can find more solid information, I will revisit this and potentially place my vote on Sentran. I will explain that my instant disapproval is because early in the game, information like that helps scum more than it helps town because they know who is telling the truth, whereas town has to sift and decide what is true.
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[jadesmar]

I think the sign up thread had links posted by the mod. I would assume that these are safe.

[Sentran]

[Zag]

Hmm. I had forgotten to look at that one. But, not knowing anything about W:tA, it was not obvious to me that 'Black Fury' was a werewolf, nor was it obvious to me that my own role was. However, googling it, I see that it is a member of one of the Garou tribes, which I assume means it's a werewolf.

Of course, your typical hyper-sensitive attack mode has gotten me to admit something that I wasn't sure was correct to reveal. It was not obvious to me that all the townie characters would necessarily be werewolves, but if you claim to know the theme and you say so, I guess I'll believe you.

Does anyone else know enough about W:tA to confirm or deny Sentran's claim?

[Zag]

For the record, I'll respond to this directly so we don't have a long bout of "You didn't respond to my question!!!" ~stomps foot~

[Garou_Kinfolk]

@Jedo: It is safe to use the links in the sign up thread or other sources to look up theme information.
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[Sentran]

I'm not going to throw a "you didn't respond" tantrum, but I was hoping for at least a couple. The fact that you claim a tribe does not place any suspicion on you, at least not to me. In W:tA, the players are members of the Garou tribes, working to save Gaia (mother nature/earth/etc) from the taint of the Wyrm (forces of darkness and corruption). This does not mean that those claiming NOT to be werewolves have a greater chance of being scum. You would have to take a stroll in my brain to understand my reasoning, but I still feel it's too early to let that out.
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[Raearia]

As far as the theme goes Sentran does indeed know it very well, his brain is full of many facts about it and he will not lead you astray about the facts of the theme. The links provided in the sign up thread cover the basics and should be pretty easy to understand. ( You should ask Sentran about the were-penguins...bahahah. Joke referencing one of our tabletop games)
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[Perpentach]

Sentran is wrong in claiming that only werewolves will be townies. Any of the changing breeds could be a townie, and the scum are likely to be agents of the Wyrm.

[itisally]

Thoughts on theme.

I have played a lot, but would not consider myself as well read as Sentran or LIML, and Garou (the word for werewolf in this theme) has us all beat on the subject. It is from the World of Darkness role playing games and I mostly played Vampire.

That said...
The Caren is a sacred place, the bawn surrounds it (sort of).The Wyrm is a distractive force. They may be werewolves (normally Black Spiral) but could be almost anything that is destructive to mother earth.

I am not sure that I see significance in the Black Fury role blocker though. It is possible for scum to be werewolf (or other changing breeds). Garou seems to allude to the fact that allies had been called and they may or may not be weres.

As for the LIML tell... I don't see it sounded like a normal early day one hey I am here lets get scum post to me.

Sentran's question... Leading but more tongue and cheek in response to LIML missing Deception. I don't think he actually expected an answer. At any rate I don’t think it warrants one. But it was far too direct for me to think it was scummy.

Appeal to Authority... In order to reach a consensus we will agree with each other on occasion :::GASP::: And even not have anything new to add. It is day one, there is little to go on and if someone makes argument agree or disagree. He never said his choice was based on agreeing; only that he did.

Zag... You always draw attention early because you have opinions. That is dangerous in these games, but still much needed.

Sentran.. His votes change like the wind in every game I have seen him in. They are a tool to get attention and response. I only take them as a true belief from him when they have stayed for several posts or after the initial banter has died.

MOD: You have me as voting for MNOWAX and Not voting, The not voting is accurate. I only said Hi to MNO


Raearia: you made me LOL in my cubicle where no one will understand.
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[Garou_Kinfolk]

@Itisally: The vote count shows you as not voting and MNOWAX voting for you.
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[Jedo the Jedi]

I had forgotten about those links. Thank you.

Having read up, I can only say that I do not think that is a question which should be seriously asked this early, and I do not think anybody should answer it. As I said, I think it is more beneficial for scum than town at this point. I am equally dissatisfied with the little information Zag gave away, but what can you do.

Sentran, I think your reactions here have been extreme, and I don't believe that was some elaborate trap to catch Zag. You should have known he would be the one to jump on you before you even asked the question.
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Paragon Tally: 18 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[spyrl]

@Itisally, I've updated the vote count with a header =^_^=
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[itisally]

Maybe I should not post while I am developing curriculums... my head hurts.
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[Durryn]

Dang it, I have read everyones posts 3 times now and I still have no read on anyone.

Would someone please be so kind to make a mistake so I can pounce on it and feel all big and Crinosy? (wow, that word hurts, Crinosie..... nope hurts worse)

@Mod: Can I burn Rage? I know it doesn't really matter for the game mechanics, but am I Homid or Lupis? Kinda want to 1/2 ass roleplay this time.

I am not sure our Breed or Tribe being revealed would be any real issue folks, as it (excepting BSD) tells us nothing in this type of game. Besides it being very easy to lie or claim something we are not to avoid the Silver bullets so to speak.
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[Zag]

[Garou_Kinfolk]

[Sentran]

Zag, your read on my post was mostly accurate, except for my reasoning for voting you. I admit, that one was pretty much OMGUS, sprinkled with a bit of annoyance that the first post that commented on mine was to shoot it down. As I said, if my calculations are correct, the question could benefit town far more than scum. I realize that nobody else is privy to my thoughts and suspicions, so it's doubtful that I will be believed.
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"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Durryn]

Sentran, I am not always sure you are privy to all your thoughts and suspicions.

As for believing you, I do. Until, of course, you are proven to be, or slip and reveal you are, scum.

Silly Werepenguin
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[Lifeinmomland]

Oh. I see. I said something useless... Thus making me suspicious. <~~note: that was said in a sarcastic tone.

As if somehow the random silly votes is more legitimate than commenting as I did. I still don't see logic in it but whatever.

I will vote Jadesmar.

Mostly an OMGUS vote but do think it's at least possible he is scum looking for something to build on for later.
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Who is John Gult?

[MNOWAX]

[jadesmar]

[Sentran]