Discuss Get Out! here

[Lilifreid]

mmmm...lager

[Pandemonium]

How do they know the door was barred . Probably because they could SEE it. If they see it doesn't it mean its on the inside?? That should get you thinking a little. Its common sense.

[dazedconfused]

allright Hat, dog, wooden door, marbles,hot h2o,small window. I wonder if you heat up those marble and toss them at the window maybe it would crack If not burn down the door with the mag glass with the light from the window./

[CrystyB]

noone said we were unconscious when we were brought in - hearing the barring of the door would lead to the conclusion that the door is not only locked but barred too...

Now about more serious things. Why couldn't the marbles BE themselves made out of porcelain? And IMO a hole in an expanding surface might as well decrease. Drawing a circle is not nearly good enough to be a good simulation, again IMO.

[Egman]

The puzzle never says the urinal is porcelain or the marbles are glass so all that expansion and contraction talk is crazy. Just put your pants overs the holes and lock them in with the marbles and escape to freedom, pantless.

[Usurper]

How about leaving your pants on and dropping your own marbles into the holes.

[Lucky Wizard]

Originally posted by Egman:

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The puzzle never says the urinal is porcelain or the marbles are glass so all that expansion and contraction talk is crazy.

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The talk isn't "crazy". Everything, not just porcelain and glass, expands when heated. OK, there's an exception or two, but almost everything expands when heated.

[jfish]

if you tie your clothes together and latch them to the window how will you open when you get there. You will have nothing to hold onto while up there to open the window itself.

If the metal gate is on the inside of the door. can it be taken off and used as a ladder?

[CrystyB]

Assuming a regular handle, lassoing clothes and climbing on them would not have any drawbacks: why couldn't you hold with one hand and turn the handle with the other, after you reach the window??

[jfish]

hold onto what with one hand. there is only the handle. plus you have to bring the dog

[KaityKat012]

How about the door...?

[quicky]

to get out you could take the door of the hinges or if there are floorboards remove a couple and try & break the door down or have spot dig a hole to the outside and crawl out...

[MatthewV]

I think this puzzle has degraded into nothing. That is pitiful.

I believe the idea of the puzzle is to flood the place and then escappe via the window. I believe we have already said that.

[skrew2012]

two OBVIOUS exits. maybe theres another way out, like into the sewers beneath the room.

[By Stander]

Has anyone here seen Shang hai noon if there are any bars you could bend them like jaki chan did but use the hot water!!! so the clothes would not break when being twisted!!!

[rosebud1o1]

the puzzle specifies that you have a "shurlock-holms hat"...... dont they have buckles on the front? i mean you can use that to pry the hinges of the bared door thus leading you to the rest of the unlocked cabin and you and your dog free!..............

[sporter]

If the hot water is already running - then the porcelain has already expanded as much as it's going to.

[2wicefyre]

how about using the magnifying glass to focus sunlight through the window and then burning the cabin down...

[woody]

alright alright we may have the solution already said but if the window is just out of reach then it must be about 8 1/2 to 9 feet up. stand on the urinal which is about 2 feet off the ground and jump to the window. open the window and climb out the window. open the door, rescue spot, bob's your uncle and you and spot are safe.

[rosebud1o1]

look at # 97........ use the hat in some way shape or form... if its that specific it must be important........
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dont people ever listen

[robichelli]

Considering that half the people posting in this thread aren't even registered, you really can't trust them too much to accept all ideas. Besides, half the posts I write are never acknowledged by anyone, but I still post.

[Max]

if you can divert the water so the drain holes get cooler they will get smaller, then putting the marbles in them will work...

then by the time the diverted water gets back to the drain it will not be so hot, so they won't expand...

but is the room water tight? If it is that might work.

[Max]

or maybe you can just unlock the door...

[Beartalon]

...You can tell the door is barred by listening to them throw the locks in place...

There is more than one drainage hole. If I take a piece of clothing and drop a marble into it, I can stuff it into one drainage hole. The cloth would hold the marble in place, blocking that hole. If I then put more marbles into the same cloth and block other holes, the marbles would stop the water flow, and the cloth would be tensioned in place with the marbles and the downward water pressure. The water's heat would expand the marbles somewhat, making the blockage more efficient, possibly breaking the pipes and flooding the room more quickly. The urinal would probably only require one garment.

The crack under the door can still be fixed somewhat with clothes. Yes, they are porous, but when cloth gets wet, the water molecules form tension between the fibres, and it expands (like excess water will bulge around the rim of a glass before it finally spills).

The hat is simply another piece of clothing and may have no purpose. Maybe the magnifying glass is as well. Assuming the gap under the door is not as tall as the hat, the hat can be placed with one if it's bills wedged under the door, then the rest of your clothing laid so it overlaps the hat. The bill will keep the hat in place, and the clothing will push out around the hat under the door, but not flow into the next room because the hat holds it back.

The magnifying glass and the dog? I don't know. If you get hungry, use sunlight to cook the dog using the magnifying glass?

The other problem here is how long can you wait in almost painfully hot water to float you to the top?

[This message has been edited by Beartalon (edited 02-11-2003 12:32 PM).]

[rosebud1o1]

your too smart Beartalon!!!!!!

[Beartalon]

I'll believe that when Sofis tells me I'm right (or most likely not)

[Mac]

If the people are diamond theives maybe there is a bag of diamonds which can then be used to block the holes. If that doesn't work then make a diamond axe and chop the door down since diamond is the hardest naturally occuring substance

[Mr_Delusive]

I say just keep chucking marbles at the window.
Wasnt there a handle on the window as well?? you could pull it off and stick it down the toilet and wrap your shirt around it. then you can use the hot water on the glass to break it. ahh. I say that is the most best way.

The other way is to use the window, magnifying glass and a bit of water to magnify the sun so much it burns the WOODEN door.
yes thats it

[Usurper]

Second hardest, Mac, after your head.

[Mr_Delusive]

No I know the answer...
you rip the toilet out, with your clothes and use the hat on the dog, then you place the toilet under the window, take the hat off the dog, get your marbles out, (Oh and what is a handle in the middle of the glass) and open the window with the handle, then squeeze out and get the dog and run off to the nearest petrol station to have somthing to eat. Thats the answer ahahaha. it is very logical and its what a person would do, so yes.
OR if your feeling like your busting to go to the toilet, you can go. or maybe you can use that to your advantage YES. you could use some of the dogs hair to make a toiletblocker. EVEN BETTER, you can use the dog to clog up the toilet and then it can fill up with water ad you can get out..
Thanks for reading my answers.

[Mark]

If we can presume that the window does get sunlight then by attatching the bag of marbles (wet) to a rope made of clothing you could hook onto the handle and open the window- if the handle is big enough.

Then using the magnifying glass and some sunlight you could set fire to some other clothing and then (now naked) throw the burning bundle out of the opened window hopefully causing a forest fire that will attract attention and allow you to be rescued.

Or you could stand on the dog- hopefully it's a big dog, to give you a better jump at the window.

[HappyFunBall]

If the intended solution to this problem relies on the thermal expansion of the marbles, then it's truly an extremely poor problem. As ZutAlors correctly pointed out, glass' coefficient of thermal expansion is around 9x10^-6. Glass is going to melt before the expansion becomes significant. Plus, even if the expansion were just enough to allow the marbles to block the drain, the water filling the room, and the marbles, would cool back down, reopening the drain.

So, if you want to use clothing or the hat to help seal the drain also, you still have to assume that the pourousness isn't too high for it to still be a factor. Don't forget also, that once the room floods higher than the water is coming out, the pressure of the water above the pipe letting it in is going to slow, then eventually stop the flow, as equilibrium is reached. A slowing flow of water will also make partial seals with clothing less effective. How much it slows, and how high it will reach before stopping depend upon the pressure in the pipe taking water into the room, the height of the pipe bringing water in, and the cross sectional area of the drain and the pipe.

None of this information is given, so any answer that relies on flooding is totally unsatisfactory.

[Eca]

another thought that struck me was to get the water out of the urinal by perhaps breaking the pipe where the water is flowing in and then if it is copper piping(wich is what most piping is today unless its pvc) then we can simply bend it so it is hitting one of the wooden wall and wait untill it erodes it enough so you can break through. if it takes too long thatn spot will be sufficent supply of food until it erodes enough. im not sure exactly how we can get the water out if the pipes are not copper but still the general idea stays the same. hit the wall with water and it will erode.

[Totem]

Preheat the marbles with a magnifing glass and then drop them down your pants. After that you will:
1.Scream loud enough to be heard and rescued.
2.Possibly jump high enough to reach the window.
(sorry couldnt resist)

all ideas look good but I wonder if sunrays filtered through a armoured glass will make magnifing glass work well enough.
ps. or when you open the window you can write the message on dogs collar(burning letters with m.glass for ex.) and throw the dog out

[suds]

if you put the shirt into the drain, and then the marbles on the shirt, would that seal the drain? because then you would have the marbles jammed into the holes pretty tightly... just a guess

[Eidilon Romskell]

Just take a crap in the stall! Geez!!

[Lady Phoenix]

Um, I'm new here and I don't have much experience with this kind of puzzle, but it seems to me that you guys are making this a little more complex than it needs to be. What's to stop you from wrapping each of your marbles in part of your hat and simply placing them in the holes? It seems that one of two things would happen. Either your hat isn't porous ("your /clothes/ are far too porous to serve as blockage" and "you have your /clothes/, your /Sherlock Holmes hat/." Your hat is listed separately from your clothes), or your hat /is/ porous and it will take slightly longer to fill the cabin with water. After all, even if some water leaks through, there is still more water that enters the room then exits it. This assumes that you don't drown and that the cabin is watertight. Oh well, at least it's better than starving to death.

[Lady Phoenix]

I don't know if that is what Eidilon Romskell meant, but why not just poop in the urinal and block the drain with it?You could maybe reenforce the block with clothing, marbles, etc...

[rosebud1o1]

take this serious.... you have a list of solutions use thoes and be serious!!!
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som one... please make some sence

[Squirrel]

I think the ring stays the same.