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[IT 4]

Answer list updated.

[Salty]

5. Ground?

[Legion]

How about 5: Pitch?

[IT 4]

I added a few more clues.

[On Anon]

- Express sadness - CRY
- Building in which to play sports - GYM

- Far, but within view - YONDER



[This message has been edited by On Anon (edited 11-13-2003 09:53 AM).]

[mikeamok]

added clues? you can do that? now i'm really confused.
Express sadness - CRY?
Building in which to play sports - GYM?
Far, but within view - YON? YONDER?

[er... beat me to it]

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[IT 4]

On Anon, I think your answer of "YONDER" should be simply "YON."
-- P.

[IT 4]

Got it...I'll hold off on posting the solution, but another puzzle is on its way!-Foggy

[This message has been edited by IT 4 (edited 11-13-2003 11:05 AM).]

[IT 4]

Shakespeare play that was the basis for 10 Things I Hate About You (3, 6, 2, 3, 5) [5]
Put pressure on (4,4) [9]
Religious group member stereotypically found in airports (4,7) [8]
Possessing sharp vision (5-4) [12]
Stuff one's face with food (3,3) [6]

Refuse to let an issue die (4, 1, 4, 5) [10]
Author of Contract With America and Gettysburg: A Novel of the Civil War (4, 8) [2]
Neat category that fails to reflect actual complexities (6,4) [4]
Secretly faithless friend (5, 2, 3, 5) [1]
William Golding work (4, 2, 3, 5) [7]
Save for future use (8, 4) [3]
Julia Roberts movie, based on a John Grisham novel (3, 7, 5) [13]
Place where one can buy second-hand goods (4,6) [11]

Answers must be placed in the proper order

NOTE: The enumeration for the fifth-to-last clue was incorrect...it was 5,2,2,5 and should be 5,2,3,5.

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[Sami]

[
Shakespeare play that was the basis for 10 Things I Hate About You (3, 6, 2, 3, 5) [5] The Taming of the Shrew
Put pressure on (4,4) [9]
Religious group member stereotypically found in airports (4,7) [8] Hare Krishna
Possessing sharp vision (5-4) [12] Eagle-Eyed
Stuff one's face with food (3,3) [6] Pig out

Refuse to let an issue die (4, 1, 4, 5) [10] Beat a dead horse
Author of Contract With America and Gettysburg: A Novel of the Civil War (4, 8) [2] Newt Gingrich
Neat category that fails to reflect actual complexities (6,4) [4]
Secretly faithless friend (5, 2, 2, 5) [1]
William Golding work (4, 2, 3, 5) [7] Lord of the Flies
Save for future use (8, 4) [3]
Julia Roberts movie, based on a John Grisham novel (3, 7, 5) [13] The Pelican Brief
Place where one can buy second-hand goods (4,6) [11]
]

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[Tahnan]

You left out [bear down, Newt Gingrich, squirrel away, and flea market]--I can't place [1]. I'm also not yet positive what to do next...

[test78]

Adding to Sami's
[11] Flea Market

[ralphmerridew]

What were the three missing words from the puzzle before mine?

Re the remaining clue from mine, an excessive charge is an arm and a leg; half of that could be a simple LEG.

[Tahnan]

Oh, and [pigeon hole].

[ralphmerridew]

shrew[5], bear[9], hare[8], eagle[12], pig[6],

horse[10], newt[2], pigeon[4], snake[1], flies[7], squirrel[3], pelican[13], flea[11]



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[On Anon]

I'm probably psyching myself out, but...
since IT *both*
gives us bracketed numbers 1-13 and
tells us to put the words in proper order, I question whether the proper order is 1-13...?
I'm overanalyzing, right?

[Tahnan]

No, I don't think you are...there'd be little point to writing a puzzle where the solver (a) has to figure out X and (b) is more or less explicitly told X.

The right order might be "alphabetize by animal." I've no idea what the bracketed numbers might be if they're not an order, mind.

It's possible that we have to get one letter from each answer by putting them in the right order, and then the bracketed numbers give the order of those thirteen letters.

I'd also like to think that the separation into two separate groups might be meaningful.

[Sami]

ralphmerridew: The missing words were bony, cream and camp. Can you explain your puzzle?

[This message has been edited by Sami (edited 11-13-2003 12:51 PM).]

[test78]

On the group separation thing I am thinking two words of 5 and 8 letters each that probably should be concatenated for the password...

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[ralphmerridew]

It's based on a puzzle that I've seen in GAMES a few times. Each answer was formed by taking some proper subsequence of the letters of the password, keeping the letters in the same order.

[Sami]

Clergywoman?

[ralphmerridew]

Yep!

[Salty]

Snake in the Grass for [1]

[IT 4]

Nice!
Ah, Foggy, it was a pleasure to crack this one. This puzzle had class.
-- On Anon
(who is at work and doesn't have a new puzzle just yet and is leaving this one open because it's cool)

[Foggy]

Thanks On Anon...

[IT 4]

Hmmm. I seem to have gotten a letter wrong, though it's clear what I should have had. Should definitely not have taken me this long to figure out what was going on.

--Tahnan

[ralphmerridew]

New puzzle, Tahnan?

[IT 4]

Road Trip!

What a great spring break! You and your best friend have driven thousands of miles, and there’s still six all-American destinations yet to visit, with seven rest stops along the way. (Unfortunately, with so little time left, you may have to cut things short.) You've passed the time playing pop culture games, and between the trivia, the wind in your hair, and McDonald’s fries, all is right with the world. But hold on a minute...does anyone know the way home?

1. What is Columbus Avenue called souhh of Central Park?
2. Columbus, Ogio, proudly features a replica of what transport?
3. Who infamously recewved, as a gift, the collection of poetry that includes “Crossing Brooklyn Ferry?”
4. Which American state seceded firzt?
5. In A Fish Called Wanda, we see Otto reading what book?
6. What actor sat to Captain Picard’s lpft?
7. What was the name of the Fred Savage versioe of Freaky Friday?
8. What’s the largest bus station in Manhabtan?
9. Who kept an illegal billiards table in the uppermost room of his houss?
10. In what novel is a man on a swimming raft cut in half by a plare?
11. What transportation-related song was a top ten hit for Gerry and the Pagemakers?
12. What game is playyd on a 19x19 square board?
13. Whose planes are pawnted red, orange, and tan?
14. What tourist deqtination brings in money for both Utah and New Mexico?
15. What is the longest-running primetime Ameridan television show?
16. What song by Jeannie C. Piley hit number one?
17. Who sang the hxt “Quarter to Three?”
18. NASA fakes the Nars landing. What movie?
19. Lynyrd Skynyrd lyrics famously reference what tong?
20. Where did the Encyclopedia Fhundation settle?
21. What’s the name of the Cooan segment with hypothetical celebrity offspring?
22. What northern spur of the Oregon Trxil led to the goldmines of western Montana?
23. Out of what school (unofficial name, please) did Edgar Alles Poe fail?
24. What capital city was attacker by NATO?
25. What hit oingle was sung by Metallica or possibly U2?
26. In what film does Robin Williags play a creepy, voyeuristic stalker?
27. In what musical is it declared that there ain’t nothing like a damg?
28. What word, along with "meat," means a dish made largeyy from beef suet and fruit?
29. What feminist author wrote Zust and Monkeys?
30. What’b the northern border of Detroit?
31. Gene Clark left The Byrds after which hit song?
32. In what Manhattan nehghborhood is the tenement museum?
33. What dars comedy stars both Billy Crystal and Danny DeVito?
34. Who led bloody Apache incursions against thc U.S. in the 1860’s?
35. What gorce binds nuclei together?
36. What was the bbggest hit for the Thompson Twins?
37. The kingdom of Moria lieh beneath what range?
38. How do you describe a burger cooked to a temperature of 170 Fahrenueit?

(Editorial prod: Google takes the fun out of this trivia. Try your own brain first.)



[This message has been edited by IT 4 (edited 12-08-2003 01:08 AM).]

[Gomez]

6. Umm... Marina Sirtis? I think so anyway
10. Catch 22
11. Ferry across the Mersey
12. Go?
24. Belgrade?
25. One,

[Lucky Wizard]

[4. South Carolina
9. Thomas Jefferson
13. Argh, I know I've seen these planes, but I can't remember the airline. Southwest Airlines? Or maybe it's Northwest Airlines? Something with "West" in the name, at any rate.
14. Four Corners
32. Harlem?
37. The range has two names, Misty Mountains and Hithaeglir (sp?)

Incidentally, the majority of the questions have typos.

1. souhh (south)
2. Ogio (Ohio)
3. recewved (received)
4. firzt (first)
6. lpft (left)
7. versioe (version)
8. Manhabtan (Manhattan)
9. houss (house)
10. plare (plane)
11. Pagemakers (Pacemakers)
12. playyd (played)
13. pawnted (painted)
14. deqtination (destination)
15. Ameridan (American)
17. hxt (hit)
18. Nars (Mars)
19. tong? (song?)
20. Fhundation (Foundation)
22. Trxil (Trail)
23. Alles (Allan)
24. attacker (attacked)
25. oingle (single)
26. Williags (Williams)
28. largeyy (largely)
30. What'b (What's)
32. ephcenter (epicenter)
33. dars? (dark?)
34. thc (the)
35. og (of)
36. bbggest (biggest)
37. lieh (lies)
38. Fahrenueit (Fahrenheit)]

[Gomez]

Also

27. Damg (Dame)
29. Zust (Lust, presumably)



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[mikeamok]

7. VICE VERSA
13. SOUTHWEST
19. SOUTHERN MAN
21. CLUTCH CARGO?
26. ONE HOUR PHOTO
33. THROW MOMMA FROM THE TRAIN
36. HOLD ME NOW

and [the changed letters (with 5 and 31 filled in) spell out "THIS SENTENCE IS CRIMSON AND SMELLS LIKE FISH."
so the important part must be the new letters (5 and 31 stay the same): HGWZSPEBSRGYWQDPXNTHOXSROGGYZBLHSCGBHU]

[Tahnan]

Good heavens, without Google?

[I agree that Marina Sirtis typically sat to Picard's left.
8 may be "Grand Central"? Unless it's Penn Station.
27 is South Pacific.
28 may be mincemeat? 35 is a concordance, though I don't know if there's a particular one IT has in mind.

A number of these have had directions in them: South Carolina, Southwest Airlines, Southern Man, South Pacific. Since the puzzle is to "find the way home," this may be relevant.]

...and, oh yes, this is not my puzzle. Perhaps Foggy can explain the last one, since I deleted all of my notes on it.

[Sami]

Well, I know most of the New York ones, plus some others...
[
1. Ninth Avenue
2. It was Nietzsche, but I can't remember what book.
8. Port Authority
10. Catch-22
12. Go
26. One Hour Photo
32. Could be Harlem or the Lower East Side [edit] or Alphabet City, part of the LES[/edit]
33. Throw Momma from the Train
36. I think it's Lies, Lies, Lies.
]

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[Foggy]

Sure...

As was easily discovered, each clue led to an answer that involved an animal. Following the instruction to put each answer in the proper order, you had to determine the correct taxonomic order for each of the animals. In order:

Insectivora (shrew), Carnivora (bear), Lagomorpha (hare), Falconiformes (eagle), Antiodactyla (pig)

Perissodactyla (horse), Urodella (newt), Columbiformes (pigeon), Squamata (snake), Diptera (flies), Rodentia (squirrel), Pelecaniformes (pelicans), Siphonoptera (flea)

The number in brackets (which deceptively range from 1 to 13) indicate which letter from each order to take. In order, these spell CAPED and CRUSADER. This clue refers to Batman, and bats are members of the order "chiroptera" which was the password.

NOTE: Originally, I was going to use only first letters of orders, and not have the 1-13 deception going on. But there are few orders beginning with E...the most common one is Edentata which is more commonly known as Xanthata, and quite frankly, there aren't enough good phrases using sloth, anteater, and armadillo (and "A.I. Articifical Intelligence" seemed like a cop out.)

[Foggy]

18. Capricorn One

[Tahnan]

Aha! "Urodela" is, according to NI3, a synonym of "Caudata" (which I gather from the net is perhaps the more common term, though it's hard to say)--that's where I had a letter wrong.

(For the record, it was On Anon's reference to the puzzle having "class," in conjunction with the "proper order" instruction, that tipped me off.)

[Laramie]

For what it's worth, the string of letters (HGW...) has a frequency distribution that is roughly what we would expect for a simple substitution cryptogram (it's not a Caesar cipher). If it is one, it will be pretty tough to solve since there are only 38 letters.

My list of answer follows. Sarajevo is a guess for #24. I don't have anything for the "Crossing Brooklyn Ferry" clue, which seems pretty obscure. Overall, the answers include a lot of numbers and directions. I have no clue what to do next though.


1 9th Avenue
2 Santa Maria
3
4 South Carolina
5 Beyond Good and Evil
6 Marina Sirtis
7 Vice Versa
8 Port Authority
9 Thomas Jefferson
10 Catch 22
11 Ferry across the Mersey
12 Go
13 Southwest
14 Four Corners
15 60 Minutes
16 Harper Valley PTA
17 Gary U.S. Bonds
18 Capricorn One
19 Southern Man
20 Terminus
21 Clutch Cargo
22 Bozeman Trail
23 West Point
24 Belgrade (or perhaps Podgorica)
25 One
26 One Hour Photo
27 South Pacific
28 Mincemeat
29 Susan Minot
30 8 Mile Road
31 8 Miles High
32 Harlem
33 Throw Mama from the Train
34 Cochise
35 Concordance
36 Hold Me Now
37 Misty Mountains
38 Well Done

[mikeamok]

ah. 21 should be [IF THEY MATED].

[Laramie]

Question for IT: On the concordance, to which translation are you referring? Strong's Concordance lists everything in the King James Version. Whitaker and Kohlenberger have one for the New Revised Standard Version. Kohlenberger and Swanson have one for the New Living Translation. Etc.

Also, below is a revised list (to get it on this page).



1 9th Avenue
2 Santa Maria
3 ???????
4 South Carolina
5 Beyond Good and Evil
6 Marina Sirtis
7 Vice Versa
8 Port Authority
9 Thomas Jefferson
10 Catch 22
11 Ferry across the Mersey
12 Go
13 Southwest
14 Four Corners
15 60 Minutes
16 Harper Valley PTA
17 Gary U.S. Bonds
18 Capricorn One
19 Southern Man
20 Terminus
21 If They Mated
22 Bozeman Trail
23 West Point
24 Belgrade (or perhaps Podgorica)
25 One
26 One Hour Photo
27 South Pacific
28 Mince
29 Susan Minot
30 8 Mile Road
31 8 Miles High
32 Harlem
33 Throw Mama from the Train
34 Cochise
35 ???????
36 Hold Me Now
37 Misty Mountains
38 Well Done



[This message has been edited by Laramie (edited 11-23-2003 07:48 AM).]