WSU IS&T 1100 Week 6-7

[firemeboy]

This week we will be looking at technology in the classrooms, and first amendment rights. Should the Internet be censored? Think about it because I'm goign to be asking you the same question in class, and if you can quote from the Bill of Rights, it's only going to look good for you...

[Fatex]

i just want to say people need to stay off the sites they don't want to see if they want to censor the internet. i do think that we should censor pop ups because you could be on a religious site and have crap on the screen. this just my opinion and there is a lot more to it. till next time.

[Edogg]

I do think that the internet should be censored. I know that I have been on the internet doing research or checking for things and something has popped up that I really did not want to see. I get sick of closing all of those windows that pop up when you go to a site also. Pornographic businesses (if it is a business) are a big problem. You could be innocently looking for information on the internet and type a word wrong and have pornography show on your screen. I know this a cappella group called voicemale, they have the internet address voicemalemusic.com. Every time they tell someone about their site, they tell them to make sure they type in the music part of their address because if they don't something totally different will pop up. These pornography sites have made their addresses to be close to other addresses. In class we talked about the white house site and if its typed incorrectly, something else will pop up. I don't think it should be like that, especially in school. Thats not a place for that stuff.

[This message has been edited by Edogg (edited 02-18-2003 03:51 PM).]

[Spanglish]

Internet censorship, a very interesting subject. I think that the way it is now is pretty cool, where with certain servers like aol, you can set the censor ratings for your family and see where they were spending their time online. I would say that pretty cool. I disagree with complete censorship because of the whole freedom of speech thing but I think that we should ahve the ablity to censor what comes into our homes and into our own and our childrens minds.

[Cheese]

I say no censurship by third parties. Instead, what we need is the responsibility to block our own machines. There are programs, available for free, that filter things you don't like out of the incoming data. If a web-sight gets past the filter, you can add that sight's address to the program's list of bad sights. This way, no one is monitoring you, and you have complete control (almost). I say almost because if you are a parent, or a boss, you can put a password on the program so your kid/employe can't change the settings and get to places he shouldn't be. The idea of having someone else monitor your activities just gets my goat. We need to be responsible enough to handle our own technology.

~Esrom
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[Frank]

I agree with Cheese. If there is things on the internet that you do not want to see you should take the responsibility of blocking them out yourself. People in America have the right to say or write their beliefs and ideas. Censorship is taking away our rights as Americans.

[princesspony]

so cheese and frank, are you saying that there practically should be absolutely no censorship unless it's done by yourself for yourself? i'm just curious...could you give me an example of what exactly you're trying to say.

[Jaamal]

Just want to say technology in the class room is a good thing. As technology becomes more advanced and more available I think it would be stupid to not use what we have at are fingertips. Plus having technology in the class room is good because it helps the students(children) learn how to use it and also understand it. About censoring the internet I think it would be pointless, why do I think that? Let me tell you, it would be to hard to do, people still could get away with things, and the internet should not be censored it should be open for what ever information you want. People know they run the risk of seeing something they don't want to see and they are willing take that risk when they log on. You should be carefull when you get on the internet and if you get to a site and don't like it leave and don't go back!

[MusicLily]

I think that technology is one of the best things that we could have in the classroom. It makes it so that our children are ready to go out into the world and work and function in society. I do think that it is also a good thing that we can censor what is being seen by people. There is alot of good in the world and at the same time there is alot of bad.

[Cheese]

princesspony said:

[DNA]

Censoring the Internet, I feel its almost pointless to try and carry this action out, b/c people are still going to get around it even if the net is censored. Though I agree somthing needs to be done, when I have kids, I would not like them to be typing in thier favorite Cartoon character, and getting searches back, our websites, with vulgar, or pornographic material. It will be interesting to see how this problem tries to be taken care of in the future.

[Gelit]

Technology in the classroom is a instrument that can be very beneficial to the students. It's technology at home that worries me. I definately believe in censorship. I don't want my children able to access everything that is out there, because too much of it is not what I would consider a "positive learning experience".

[allstate]

I totally agree with cheese, Its important to have ALL types of informaiton on the web, yes there will always be the bad stuff, but if hate sites and and things of that nature become eliminated by law, then people will be asking to have other things perhaps very useful information, banned from the Internet (i.e. religion, medical info., civil rights movements, ect.) Its all about Moderation and Self-Control!

[Cheese]

Hello!

I'm wondering why nobody gets on the chat anymore. I go there every e-day, but its rare for even the teach to show up before the first 1/2 hr. I know its not required or anything, but its something to do in that hour.

~Yarra Valley Pyramid
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[karrots]

Originally posted by DNA Reply No. 10:

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Though I agree somthing needs to be done, when I have kids, I would not like them to be typing in thier favorite Cartoon character, and getting searches back, our websites, with vulgar, or pornographic material. It will be interesting to see how this problem tries to be taken care of in the future.

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One way Google has implimented this is their safe search. I kind of like the idea it has three options. One is to filter everything Web and Images, just Images, and no filter. I think this is a great way of doing things it offers the enduser the choice. They have kept it very simple on the filters.

Originally posted by Google's Website: http://www.google.com/help/customize.html#safe :

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By default, moderate filtering is set to exclude most explicit images from Google Image Search results. To apply Google's SafeSearch filtering to both web search and image search results, select the strict filtering option on the web search preferences page and save your preferences. This will activate stricter filtering of images, as well as filtering of adult content in regular Google search results. To turn off filtering completely, select the "do not filter..." option.

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I agree with what was said above about filtering must be up to the individual. But I also think there should be some sort of code of ethics. Things like not being able to get out of websites, etc... should not be around. As has been said though there is a good amount of good filtering programs around. For example at my home Norton personal firewall is used. It seems to do a pretty good job a blocking things. Plus its pretty customizable as to the types of things that it will block.

Interesting topic none the less.
Karrots

[This message has been edited by karrots (edited 03-07-2003 02:35 PM).]

[Mack]

Lets say I am the owner of a VERY profetable company. I then hire out for some technical support personal to help customers as well as fellow employees. The job requires extensive time in front of a computer screen. The question is do I have a right to snoop in on my technitions to see if they are doing the job I pay them for? My answer is yes. I (as a business owner) am paying a feasable amount of income to have this support. Why should I put up with people who don't have the motivation to do a days work for a days pay? My motto is "If you are on my time, you are on my regulations." If their is a problem with my peeking of their work, I will put money on they are tring to hide something. Done and Done.....

[catman]

I agree with the censorship on the internet. Just the other day I was doing research for a school paper and some full-screen pop-up came up. It was nasty and full screen, I was embarrased and worse yet, there was no box to click to close it and so I didn't know how to get it off. So I just shut the computer off. Why is there a need to have that on the computer? There is plenty elsewhere in the world, why should I have to worry if I don't get the right web address, I will get porn? Freedom, you say, I want the right to go on the internet and have free access to anything without worrying about meeting something that is nasty. The idea of having computer filters is good but as we all know there are ways around them all. Simply delete it. Who wants to see it, can I have a show off hands? If your too scared to raise your hand then you shouldn't have the option of having that crap readily available on the web! Take it off the web!

[catman]

Hey Karrots, I like the filter on google. I just checked it out and its good. On the safest setting I tells you of words that it will not search for and eliminates anything remotely bad. On the least setting even semi-good word searches can bring up nasty stuff but on the strict setting it won't even search for it unless it thinks its ok. Very NICE!

[shining gundam]

First of all I don't think the internet should be censored. Yes you can find information about ANYTHING on the net but isn't that kind of the point. Isn't the internet for people of similar tastes and hobbies, etc. to come together? There are a lot of communities on the internet. Just because you don't agree with the message of a particular community doesn't mean you have the right to censor it!
What happens after you censor the internet? Does it snowball and lead to the government taking away all our rights? If we censor the internet why not take away guns, because some people find them offensive. Some people think most modern music is offense, better take that away while you're at it. In this great country of ours we do have rights and we have a responsibility to protecte those rights even if a select few individuals abuse those them.


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[Spanglish]

Is it possible that a lot of the people that want censorship on the internet have never tried any of the censoring programs on their own computers? I believe so. It seems to me that everyone that tries these programs, loves them. I agree, I think thats the way to go. It's like cheese said, if we start conrolling stuff then who knows how far it will go.. Like with the womens rights stuff, we give them a little and look how much they took.. JUST KIDDING, I hope people can take that sort of joke.

[Don Jones]

The internet is a wonderful TOOL . Its fun. It is very available to many people. Which is why it should have regulations, it should be censored. Us as a people have become and are becoming demoralized. The crap on the internet enters our homes had has a devastating and dangerous effect on people. It should not be tolerated. George Washington said “ It is substantially true that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule indeed extends with more or less force to every species of free government.” I’m patriotic, and our nation is built upon virtue and morality, that is why it is so great. We can not jeopardize such virtues. So forget Reasoning and ignore the “my rights this” and “in the privacy of my own home that” We must protect ourselves from ourselves. Reason what you may, but ol’ Benjamin Franklin said it best when he said, “ Force shits upon Reason’s back.”

[Isolder74]

Internet censorship

The Idea is nice but it has several problems. Now I don't like those who buy up internet porn account names that vary a tiny amount from things like disney.com ect. That has to be stopped cause that is a fraudulate use of those thing as is forcing people to veiw their product.
The major problem related to censoring the internet is that the internet covers multiple nation boundries and as such it is immossible to pass any law that will have much of a effect at all in this matter.

[dazedconfused]

censorship it is a hard call because i would like to choose to or not to go to any site instead of having it choose for me, as with kids we just need to hang around and watch them if all else fails check the cookie jar and if their into stuff that is naughty. spank them with a polenta stick.

[Beebs]

I would have to agree with a lot of you a say that we do need censoring. If a person is going to find a way around it then they can do it but at least I know that if I am doing something totally innocent that nothing bad will pop up on the screen. It is time that we stop all of this crap. Let the people who want it to what they want because they are going to find ways of getting it anyway. The rest of the stuff should just leave the rest of us alone.

[chocolate]

Somehow I think we need to have censoring to some extent, but how that can ever be controlled, I have no idea. I don't like the nasty little pop ups, but at least I know enough to close them down and not explore any further. Unfortunately, teenagers and young children would be lead along into something they shouldn't have to be involved in. Curiosity killed the cat - isn't that what the porn websites want - get our curiosity going then lead us into worse stuff on the internet. Get us addicted!! We attempt to control porn stores in our cities, so we should attempt to control smut on the internet.

[Chuck]

Don't any exiting laws apply to the Internet?

Would someone be allowed to stand outside a junior high school and hand out porn to the students? If not, why are spammers allowed to email porn to those same students?

[TGR]

Well no one should have the right to say what one person can do and can't do. I personally think everyone has the right to do what they want as long as they don't impede the rights of others. So if there is going to be porn sites, hate sites, etc etc they shouldn't force it upon the rest of us. They shouldn't regulate what is on the internet they should on the other hand regulate accessiblity to that information. But aslo as people we have to use common sense in what we do. Just be aware of what is around you and it should eliminate a lot of problems but then again there is the occassional accident which we should deal with case by case and when they come. Also how can one government regulate what is on the WWW because where is all this stuff coming from?

TGR

[Larin]

I beleive that Censoring is required for children. It is just too easy for children to access. I mean when you get into a site like that all they do is ask "are you 18? if so Click here. if not click here." wow what a check. Now in the work place I think it has gone a little too far. I enjoy playing Online games. and if anyone else out there plays those you know how much they change from week to week. during my lunch at my work we have the ability to get on the internet and browse around the internet but the security on it is so high I cant even check on the online game I play for updates. I cant look at anything conserning games. Now in my opinion that is just too much. a little is alright but when they say you can browse the internet on computers in the breakroom then censor it so much that you can only access 5 sites. thats just too much.

Larin

[Kerioth]

Censorship, as with everything else in the world, may be used for good and for bad. It's all in the user and the purpose. It can help protect people, but may also be overused. My main opinion on the matter is that censorship should exist, in the least at what businesses are allowed to force upon the populace in the way of pop-up ads and spam. I just love how hotmail claims to filter out spam. I get at the least 10 porn e-mails a day with Hotmail...either they're not doing a good job, or I would be getting even more without their help...who knows?

[ChinaMan]

I've used HOTMAIL for several years and NEVER had any problems receiving unwanted emails, including those of a pornographic nature.

[ChinaMan]

About censorship: I think it's good, and bad. I depends on who uses it, and HOW they use it. Technology in the wrong hands can be dangerous (it you don't believe me go watch Spider-Man!) Fire is the same way. If used properly it can be extremely useful. But if used by the irresponsible, it can kill. With the increase in technology comes the increase in responsibility of those who use it. Usually technology is only used where and when it is needed. If censorship wasn't needed to some extent, it probably wouldn't have been invented. The question is: How far do we extend censorship? The answer to that question lies in asking ourselves one more question: How far do we NEED to extend censorship? I mean, if it isn't needed in a certain area of company, it probably won't be used. Our actions, to a large extent, will determine how much technology intervenes into our lives. It's our call.

[GUITARPRO#1]

You can't possibly censor the internet, because anyone who wants to can post anything they want on a web page at any time they want. This goes for an infinite number of people around the world. As long as people want to get uncensored material then there will always be people there to supply and take advantage of it. You can try to shut certain sites down, but for every napster that is shut down there are hundreds of sites of the same type that pop up in the same day. I think that illegal material should be censored the best way possible and criminal activity should be monitored and punnished. You choose what you want to look at on the net by your own free will, it is a personal choice. Pop ups and e-mail should be censored if you are not on a site that relates to them. I also think that the work place should have a right to censor until a certain point, because you are on their time and on their property. They should not invade your privacy if you are not doing unacceptable activites. Technology is a good thing in education as long as it is used in a responsible and productive way. You also have to educate on how to use the technology as well as what you are learning.

[Fatex]

it is clear that most of us don't want censorship on the WWW.

[Allaround1]

Censorship on the net wouldnt work well because what one person wants censored another person might not want censored. If the gov. is in charge they are just gonna censor what they dont want to be seen.

[IsWife]

I believe that there are many ways to look at this.

In school - "technology in the classrooms" meaning kids are going to be looking at the Internet. Then yes it should be censored. There are things that shouldn't be looked at while at school. Either be they meant to go to the website or not. That would be the schools job to do that.

As for the work place - Same. I believe that they are paying you to do a job not to be looking around the Internet. They have the right to stop you from going place because it is their $. This would be the employer job to do it.

As for at home - I don't believe there should be in type of "SET" censored. We should have the right to look at anything we want at home under our own roof. If a parent wants to censor their own child, then they should have the right. If an adult wants to look at porn, enjoy. This would be your own choice.

To Censor the Internet would coast way too much money. Everyone is an adult. If they aren't, then their parents have the job to take care of the censored websites.

[allstate]

amen. (to IsWife)

[This message has been edited by allstate (edited 02-25-2003 10:15 AM).]

[Ghost Post]

allstate, i like you already

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[Cheese]

OK. I'm going to try to get back on topic here. I've been having too much fun getting under people's skin with my thoughts on Political Correctness, and Utah's Dominate Religion, so now I'll post a few things relevant to the class itself.

Fatex said:

[kys]

I think that censorship on the internet is a good idea, but I really don't know how they would accomplish it. Mainly because, what should or shouldn't be censored? Who's to decide what we should be able to look at. I guess what I'm trying to say is that if we want things to be censored on our computer, we should get the right equipment and do it ourselves. If we see something on the internet, it might offend us but yet be perfectly okay for someone else. It's just hard to know what people really want in the things that are blocked. Since we don't know what peope want, we should just block things on our own personal computers.

[chocolate]

I certainly agree with kys - there should be some sort of censorship and protection, but how and what exactly. A lot of close supervision by parents and a good filtering system would help and common sense from the rest of us.

We couldn't even agree with if and what to censor in class today, how would the decision ever be made to actually do the censoring. As one of the reading articles said - none of us would want to expose our children to porngraphers or pedophiles. That goes for out on the street corner AND on the Internet.