ONLINE PROJECT

[firemeboy]

OK, is everytbody ready for challenge three?

Prisoner's dilema

What would a human nature test be without a prisoner’s dilemma test? Here are the rules.

I have paired you up with another team member (see below). You need to send me an e-mail that says either:

Tell on Partner

Remain Silent


If your partner and you both remain silent, you both get 200 points.

If your partner and you both talk, you each get 0 points.

If one partner talks, and the other remains silent, then the person who talked gets 300 points, and the one that remained silent loses 100.

There will be no discussion on this challenge. Just send me an e-mail. You may ask questions.

Here are the groupings.

JoBlack
squirrel

Jaamal
Allaround1

Spanglish
Don Jones

PrincessPony
BalbanesBeoulve

TGR
dazedandconfused

Fatex
360

Dark Legionaire
Beebs

DNA
MusicLily

Gelit
xcrystalheartx

kys
shining gundam

Larin
Guitarpro#1.

Edogg
Kerioth

Cheese
Karrots

chocolate
catman

Kanchaser
allstate

Hondo
teethgrinder

Arsenalrocks
Mack

Chinaman
Volrath

Maria Cabellero
Dan Bradbury

frank
El Galan

[little one]

trusting ohter's is hard, especially if you don't have close communication and if everyone is using names ohters' don't know!!

[Allaround1]

How bout we all grow up on this challenge and work together? That'd be a miracle wouldn't it!

[Spanglish]

Sooo, I guess we aren't supposed to talk this time.... That really makes this room pretty dull..

[Squirrel]

hi

[Squirrel]

Hey Joblack can I trust you.

[Squirrel]

HI

[TGR]

Remember we can't discuss this one. :Þ
This one is really tough!
Oh well..............

[360]

Remind me again what we are supposed to do with this discussion if we can't talk about the challenge.

[Spanglish]

Its joke time... just to break the silence....
What's the difference between an oral thermometer and an anal thermometer??

[Cheese]

Erm, do I even want to know? Still, you had better tell us now that you've gone and opened your mouth.

[Allaround1]

Hey Jaamal, what do ya think? We gonna work together or is the trend of F___in each other going to continue?

[Cheese]

Cheese and karrots. What a nutritious meal!

[This message has been edited by Cheese (edited 03-04-2003 06:18 PM).]

[dazedconfused]

to talk or not to talk that is a good question?

[Squirrel]

I think the internet is corrupt. What do you guys think.

[Squirrel]

No I dont think the internet is corrupt, because it allows us information we would not otherwise have. The only way it is corrupt is if you use it in a bad way.

[firemeboy]

These are the people who have not turned in a challenge 3 (or if you have, I haven't got it!) Please get it to me...

TGR
JoBlack
allstate
catman
MusicLily
Gelit
Beebs
360
Larin
dazedandconfused
Volrath
Little One
Cheese
Dark Legionaire
Dan
Hondo
Beibei
frank
El Galan

[Spanglish]

Ok... the joke was this... Whats the difference between an oral thermometer and an anal thermometer?

It's really simple, the difference is...

The taste.

[Gelit]

That's pretty yucky. Good one, though. Way to break the boredom in the discussion room this week Crazy kid.

[firemeboy]

Still haven't heard from...

TGR
allstate
catman
MusicLily
Beebs
360
Larin
dazedandconfused
Volrath
Cheese
Dark Legionaire
Dan
Hondo
frank

[This message has been edited by firemeboy (edited 03-06-2003 03:00 PM).]

[chocolate]

So, teacher, what if our partner doesn't turn a "speak" or "silent" in this week?

[firemeboy]

I don't know. I'm hoping that doesn't happen... *hint hint*

[Cheese]

Hey Jonathan (a.k.a karrots)! Partner, old buddy old pal! You wouldn't turn me in would you?

[little one]

hope everyone has a good weekend, and get the second essay done!

[karrots]

Originally posted by Cheese:

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Hey Jonathan (a.k.a karrots)! Partner, old buddy old pal! You wouldn't turn me in would you?

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I don't think you want to know.

Karrots

[This message has been edited by karrots (edited 03-07-2003 02:30 PM).]

[catman]

Hey chocolate, I'm leaning toward silent because I know if one of us goes talking the other won't trust and so we will both loose. So keep quiet, please. I will make my judgement by what you say!

[karrots]

Hey! no talking. Shhhh keep it quiet.

[JoBlack]

So my fiends, What are we all going to do?
The question is what would the realist do?
Have someone make 300 bones off me or everyone stay the same.
I for one would not take that chance....or would I

[This message has been edited by JoBlack (edited 03-09-2003 09:08 PM).]

[JoBlack]

I wonder who squirrel is Maybe if I just check on his e-mail Icon..........wooops

[This message has been edited by JoBlack (edited 03-09-2003 09:09 PM).]

[GUITARPRO#1]

Hi everyone,

There is a great scene in L.A. Confidential about this police tactic. If you are interested in seeing this show, just beware that it is rated R if you have conserns about that.

[firemeboy]

Everybody up for the next challenge?

Challenge #4 The Stock Market

In this game you have to predict how brave your fellow players are. You each hold one share of Weber State Stock. It rises and falls with the best of them. You were actually given this stock by your dear sweet grandma who purchased it for $1. This stock has just started to rise, but will invariably fall. The trick is that you are going on vacation and won’t be able to track the stock to know when to sell. You have to give your stock broker a number at which you want to sell it at.

When you 'sell' your stock, if the stock is rising then you get full price for whatever price you sell at. If the stock is going down, however, then you get much less. The stock rises when a majority of people are still holding their stock. As soon as more than 50% of the people have sold, the stock loses value very quickly and your stock broker will try and get whatever price he/she can.

For example, lets say the bidding goes like this:
Different people tell their stock brokers to sell at the following amounts:

Player 1 bids 50
Player 2 bids 70
Player 3 bids 90
Player 4 bids 150
Player 5 bids 300
Player 6 bids 500
Player 7 bids 550
Player 8 bids 580
Player 9 bids 700
Player 10 bids 800
The first five people would get what exactly they ask for. The next five would get less. The sixth person would get 50 percent of what the 5th person bid, the seventh person would get 25 percent of what the 4th bid, the eighth person would get 12 percent of what the 3rd person big, etc. 6 percent and 3 percent for the 9th and 10th.

Questions? Let me know if you have any.

Ties will be determined by a flip of a coin so avoid them by bidding in odd numbers. 204 for example, not 200.

[Isolder74]

Interesting Idea here

The Idea is to guess what the middle bid is. This might get interesting

[Cheese]

I know! All I have to do is murder all my classmates except for two. Then, I threaten them both so one will bid 1pt and the other 1000. Then, I bid 999. I'm sure to win! Bwaaahahahahahahaah!!!!

Um, perhaps I shouldn't have revealed my evil scheme. Now all of you are going come after me with soda crackers and knives.

Shoot.

[Spanglish]

Are you drunk?

[Kerioth]

Grand idea Cheese. I'll be the one to vote 1000 so I don't get killed...

[Cheese]

[Spanglish]

Just checking.. he he

[Fatex]

just dropped in to laugh at the comments made

[Isolder74]

Originally posted by "cheese":

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I know! All I have to do is murder all my classmates except for two. Then, I threaten them both so one will bid 1pt and the other 1000. Then, I bid 999. I'm sure to win! Bwaaahahahahahahaah!!!!
Um, perhaps I shouldn't have revealed my evil scheme. Now all of you are going come after me with soda crackers and knives.

Shoot.

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That would work if not for the fact that you can't take the final in jail 'lol'

Seriously if the bids are closely bunched then this will result in a wide variance on the resulting gains and losses. I suppose we could conspire to all vote low to minimise any losses.

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[This message has been edited by Isolder74 (edited 03-24-2003 12:53 AM).]

[Cheese]

Hum... Think of this.
Suppose we have only five people who do the project, and they all bid like this:
#1: 1pt
#2: 2pts
#3: 3pts
#4: 4pts
#5: 5pts

Clearly, the gain for everyone is practically nothing and we do indeed "minimize loss." However, what if all of you bid like this, but I bid 1000? I'm going to recieve the barest fraction of 1000, but it will still be more than you guys get. However, suppose the bidding goes like this:

#1: 1000pt
#2: 999pts
#3: 998pts
#4: 997pts
#5: 996pts

Then, clearly #4&5 will be waaaay behind the pack. So, if we all bid low, we run the risk of a backstabber. But, if we all bid high, we are certain to have only a few winners and a lot of loosers.

I don't think there is really any way to cooperate with this one. I'm probably just going to wind up flipping a coin again...